Mann Jogi (HUM) - Bilal Abbas Khan, Sabeena Farooq | DT.N Pg 52, 62 - Page 93

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This reminded me of IM when Shahmeer was lying through his teeth as FB saying that his friend hit him & pushed him out of his house. People in comment section of youtube were like we know he’s lying but we still feel bad for him

The caption has me

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Originally posted by: mango.falooda

Thanks for the explanations moose, meand, haalim. Just a few more questions. Please feel free to correct me if I am misunderstanding the concepts. So my educated guess would be that the intent behind halala is actually to protect the woman -- to ensure a husband doesn't just give talaq whenever he feels like for idiotic reasons and then to get her back. Basically treat her like a toy that he wants to keep or throw away at will.

To prevent such flippant attitudes, halala exists to ensure that divorce is taken seriously. The woman gets to have a second marriage and begin another life if she wants. Only if her second marriage fails again, then she is back in society. So at this time, the first husband and her can try a new relationship hopefully wiser and more informed. Have I understood the dynamics correctly?

So a planned halala would be a sin for the following I am assuming:

• Making a mockery of the intent behind the religious edicts
• Essentially selling your wife like a woman of the night and getting someone to sleep with her
• Treating her like a toy that can be bought and thrown away at will

muse, awida, nina -- I was also confused how the muazzan basically asked Ibrahim to do this; is this a misinterpretation of texts? Or does he get some favour out of Shabbir? Or is it because no one takes Ibrahim or Aliya as people worthy of respect, honour and dignity? Are both Ibrahim and Aliya in some sense invisible and their feelings don't matter to others?

Aliyah trying to self-harm herself means that she felt trapped and was not willing to be part of this madness. Did she feel like she had no choice but to go along? Did she have no family she could return to? Why stay in the house where you are divorced? Could she have said 'no'? Why did she say qabool during the wedding?

Shabbir's comment that his mom should have taken her to the parlour felt absurd. They are doing this in the middle of the night away from prying eyes. It is supposed to be a secret and no one is happy with the arrangement. So why would the mom dress her up when all of this is absurd madness?

It is going to be interesting to see the transformation of Ibrahim from a timid man to someone who is more braver and putting himself to protect her. Wondering how much the loss of everyone he loves during earthquake has effected him -- will he cling to her that he finally has someone to call his own? Will he unable to let go because he cannot be alone?

I found the explanation interesting that the second husband has to willing agree to give divorce in order for the halala to be valid. So in some ways, this hinges on Ibrahim. If he feels that in order to protect her, he has to be her shield, then how will Shabbir react? Shabbir seems like such a toxic volcano who has no emotional control.

Will he see it as betrayal that Aliyah does not want to go back to him? Will he see it as rejection that Aliyah falls in love with her new husband? Or will he take accountability for his actions and realize that he is the one who created this madness by impulsively giving her talaq?

Yes you get it right

I guess shabir asked molvi sahb to convince ibrahim to do this. Because according to them ibrahim is religious, weak and poor boy. He will easily leave aliya after one night.

Aliya also come across as weak character as of now. Maybe she is alone and have no family. Also it seems that she loves her ex husband and wants to stay with her but she is not happy with this idea of planned halala.

That palour's comment was sarcastic. He meant to say that why his mom applied so much makeup on aliya. And why she got ready.

Baki sab toh drama dekh ky hi pata chaley ga. Let's see how things will unfold in ckming episodes.

Originally posted by: NazneenA

Yes definitely. If this truth comes out they'll face a backlash. I also feel, they must have just not allowed Aliya to contact her family about divorce. Now they will misunderstand her as well. If at all she has a family

Maybe she has no family

Originally posted by: Haalim

The process of talaq is misunderstood in this subcontinent. A lot of people think uttering three talaqs at once means three talaqs happened while it just means only one talaq. The couple is still divorced however they can still reconcile. The proper way of three talaqs is that a man say talaq to his wife & then waits for one period month, after that he gives one more talaq & waits for a period month again. Within these two talaqs there’s no hindrance if they want to reconcile. When he utters a third talaq & after a wait of one more period month the woman is haram for him forever unless she marries another man. The time of one period month between these talaqs is to rule out any pregnancy.

Aaliya is going to give Ibrahim confidence & simultaneously she’ll get up on her own feet. Possibly towards the end they will find enough courage to face Shabbir.

Nope, it is not misunderstood. It depends on their belief. It is like who follows which school/sect. Like for ahl as-sunnah/hanafi they do consider three talaqs at one sitting as three talaqs. So, by saying talaq thrice, divorce do happen.

Originally posted by: NINALOGY

Nope, it is not misunderstood. It depends on their belief. It is like who follows which school/sect. Like for ahl as-sunnah/hanafi they do consider three talaqs at one sitting as three talaqs. So, by saying talaq thrice, divorce do happen.

Yep! That's what even I said. No doubt it's not a right way to do and is disliked alot and that man has to answer for that. But divorce still happens

Originally posted by: NazneenA

It's ofcourse a sin and most disliked form to divorce thrice all in one go. But divorce still happens and they can't live together anymore.

Whether they get divorced as correct process of one divorce a month or triple Talaq at once,Haan Iddat toh obviously woman has to do for three months after divorce.

If we read Islamic history, the men who used to give triple talaqs at once, they used to punished. Divorce itself is one of the most disliked action in Islam.

Originally posted by: NazneenA

Yep! That's what even I said. No doubt it's not a right way to do and is disliked alot and that man has to answer for that. But divorce still happens

It is a sin. Definitely not a right away but yeah divorce still happens.

Originally posted by: NINALOGY

Maybe she has no family

In the first night scene, Shabbir said that her brother wanted her to do Engineering and so he promised that she would do it from home. Unless this was some random relative brother, not sure why she didn't go home after talaq.

Originally posted by: NINALOGY

Maybe she has no family

But I find it difficult to think that she has no family. On their wedding night he was talking about her brother or dad wanting her to study. So may be father passed away and she was mum/brothers. I know only time will tell. Just as you know, lot of speculations. If she has no family then it's very easy. But if she has a family that's going to be difficult. That's the reason I think she must have a family as well. Which Shabbir will use kinda