How low will Ruhi go ? - Page 3

Originally posted by: KajalRai21

True as much as i want to see her feelings and defend her but i can't deny the fact that she literally ruin the life of many people just so she can see her so called soulmate everyday. She just to fulfill her desires to live with her love of her life she is not caring about her in laws family and her maykaa and just keeping stooping so low. Her one sentence could have saved her but she just didn't utter anything and punishing Abhira and Rohit for that. I understand her desire to complete her love story but isn't its selfish of her to think like this and not caring a single person who are actually caring about her not even her bnanu. I love jab we met and Adi mom but whatever she did she knew her husband isn't going to be affected because of it. She atleast tried for couple of years. Agar Ruhi ne ek baar bhi Rohit ke liye sirf pinch of effort bhi kiye hote toh shayad ye nahi kehti but she didn't. Don't see as her point of view for once and see a person who sacrificed his beloved granddaughter just for her got heart attack just cause she lost her husband what will be his reaction on this.

You know i always keep myself on people situation to understand them well and when i keep myself at Ruhi place i always see my father in Manish Goenka and his head bow down infront of everyone and I can't see it no matter how much it's paining me I can't see it.

Originally posted by: bajarbattu

Thank you for your kind words.... I am so glad I was able to make you look at Ruhi with kinder eyes.

See the thing is that in a drama you need all kinds of characters to make the story interesting and to devise plots that take the story forward. If you look at this generation's yrkkh opening poster, you will know whats the endgame for Armaan.

They have Abhira in the forefront, Behind her is Armaan, and last is Ruhi. Now what is important here is where all three are looking, and also the expressions on their faces. Everybody is smiling but albeit for different reasons.

Abhira is looking straight ahead. Which means her gaze is on her goal. Armaan is also looking straight ahead, but he has Abhira in his view and he is smiling, which means whatever his start was, his goal is Abhira, and he will support her all the way through. Now look at Ruhi.... she is not facing ahead, her body is actually facing the other way, but she is looking back with a smile on her face. This suggests two things. One is that she always wanted Armaan to go with her, hence she will keep coming into his space with her own happiness in mind. Always luring him away from Abhira. But not giving him, what he wants. Secondly Ruhi is this spoilt dreamy character, who thinks that because she has dreamt something it must come true, that is why the extreme smile. She expects unrealistic things out of life, and she depends on others to make these to happen.

But both Abhira and Armaan, work on their goals, both professional and personal on their own. This is what he meant, when Armaan told of Ruhi on the day she thought Abhira pushed him.... he asserted to her that Abhira is not immature.

Armaan and Abhira's love story is going to be like a fine wine, which just gets more sweeter as days go by. Already we can see that Abhira's antics (which Ruhi thinks are immature) give Armaan a lot of solace. Not because she is mischievous or childish, but because he sees that it's her way to deal with the gargantuan problems in her life. Ruhi in those terms has had a very protected life, and yet she plays the victim card every time something goes even slightly wrong. Abhira never ever plays the victim card.

I believe for Abhira and Armaan's love story to become as impactful as the Kaira love story, we will need all antagonistic's to bring challenges in front of them. The more the antagonism, the stronger their bond becomes. And we will have Ruhi doing her best to lure Armaan away, Dragonsa bringing on her worst Dragon behaviour, Vidya being unnecessarily mean and Manisha Chachi throwing her truth bombs at consistent intervals to make all the challenges for Maahira all the more messy. But this all will bring Armaan even more closer to Abhira. That is how story tellin on Star Plus works. Its an elongated chain of vile behaviour that gets the best out of the lead pair always!

That's never going to change.

@bold red

Yes that is correct. Vidya had initially thought that she would be a good bride for Armaan. But she immediately changed her mind when Dragonsa took Rohit's name. This is what Madhav keeps telling Vidya, that she is biased towards Rohit, and very easily expects Armaan to make all the sacrifices. But even Vidya is also so much in the changul of Dragon Sa, that she has made her home into a prison for herself, and follows every word of her Saas. She does so because, when she discovered the guy she married was already married and had a child, the person who supported her was her saas, so in a convulated manner she has told herself that since saas supported her, she has to support saas.

For me Abhira's story is very parellel to Naira's. Just as Naira had to put up with the egoistic ways of Suhasini Goenka, Abhira will have to put up with Dragonsa's ego. The only difference between these two Dadi Saas's is that Suhasini Goenka felt the sun shone out of Kartik, so for his happiness she accepted Naira in her life. But in case of Dragon Sa, she is fond of Armaan, but not so fond that she will put up with Abhira for his sake. So Abhira's challenge as far as Armaan's Dadi is concerned will be more than that of Naira.

@bold blue

Yeah they do think. I have several friends who are writers and producers in ITV. And they all follow the rules of foreshadowing, creating character arcs and complex storytelling when they have to go write a completely new story / or take a leap. They have to! Else same thing will happen what happened with yrkkh gen 3.

See we feel that they do not put thought, but its not that way. For serials like YRKKH that are running for so long, they will have a team of writers - So they will have the Creative Director who brainstorms with the script writer for a new story, then the that story is given to the screenplay writer, who sets the mood along with the script, and lastly are the dialogue writers. They all work in teams. So the story is going through several hands before it comes to the Director. So to think that they don't think at all is really not it. If there are any bloopers or broken links, then it could be at the edit table, or because of time crunch. These writers are seasoned writers who can put in symbolism at the drop of the hat in the written material.

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I will write about Abhira and Ruhi tomorrow now. Ab hamein ninni aa rahi hai.

See you later Alligator.

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much love, light and laughter,
Battu.

Again, so so good and a pleasure to read!! I'm gng to be looking forward to anything you post of this nature in the future!! So please do tag me!!

Thank you 🤗❤

Originally posted by: bajarbattu

Dear,

Its a serial. Not real life.
So agar Ruhi nahi hoti, toh koi aur hoti.... they have to have such forceful and demented characters for the story to become spicy and interesting. They need someone to push Armaan towards Abhira. Agar Ruhi naa hoti, toh tum Maahira ka romance itne chaav se enjoy naa karte.

So thank your stars that she is there, to create mischief. Every single obstacle that comes in front of Abhira will be sorted by Armaan as her self appointed knight in shining armour. That is why there is Dragon Sa, Fufasa, Vidya, Charu, Swarna, Surekha.... all breathing heavy fire on to apni sweetu pie Abhira.

Don;t get so hassled. Enjoy the rescue instead.
I love it that all this chaos, gives reason for Abhira to come up with the choicest of her one liners. Not only do we enjoy it, but so does Armaan.

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much love, light and laughter
Battu.

I know honey its a serial but i am studying for psychology not as a profession but still this type of things made a habit for me to look everything as a real life perspective.

Also this all things why do you think will be presenting in the serial like this trust me they are not showing even a 1 percentage which actually happen real life i have came across with many cases during my studies and you won't be able to believe what they do or actually did.

This whatever i have written not because of ruhi or this serial this is for those people who is supporting this ruhi and armaan and justifying her actions without even witnessing the consequences. You know i came across with a case study which was based on real life where a women killed her entire family cause she loved her sister in law husband and wanted to marry him. Do you know how her father reacted he committed suicide.

I am completely aware that this is a serial but the things are real so i am just explaining the perspective that if you are doing all this or even supporting all this they have consequences which is bitter.

Understanding things in a negative approach is way better. Ye serial h ek na ek din khatam ho jayega but the amount of viewers it have do you think it won't affect them. It will i am just giving them an insight of the consequences of them.

Anyway I think all this was just the frustration which i got after reading all those case studies but just think am i wrong after witnessing all those case study.

Originally posted by: KajalRai21

I know honey its a serial but i am studying for psychology not as a profession but still this type of things made a habit for me to look everything as a real life perspective.

Also this all things why do you think will be presenting in the serial like this trust me they are not showing even a 1 percentage which actually happen real life i have came across with many cases during my studies and you won't be able to believe what they do or actually did.

This whatever i have written not because of ruhi or this serial this is for those people who is supporting this ruhi and armaan and justifying her actions without even witnessing the consequences. You know i came across with a case study which was based on real life where a women killed her entire family cause she loved her sister in law husband and wanted to marry him. Do you know how her father reacted he committed suicide.

I am completely aware that this is a serial but the things are real so i am just explaining the perspective that if you are doing all this or even supporting all this they have consequences which is bitter.

Understanding things in a negative approach is way better. Ye serial h ek na ek din khatam ho jayega but the amount of viewers it have do you think it won't affect them. It will i am just giving them an insight of the consequences of them.

Okay so you are studying psychology. Fair Enough.

But allow me to explain to you why the serials have digressed to such levels in the past 10-15 years. And I can tell you that what I am going to say now is 100% truth, because I am from the advertising industry professionally, and have worked in the area of branding for many years now.

If you want better serials and better and present day sane content, go watch serials on Sony Liv. Pashminna and Kavya are two running examples of contemporary story telling. Even Katha was in the same zone. Good mature family content.

You are expecting the moon out of serials on Star Plus, Zee and Colours. You are never going to get it dear. Simply because of the audience perception of these channels as opposed to the kind of audience that Sony Liv gets.

Star Plus, Colours and Zee are the maternal house of dramas with such crazy saas bahu nonsense that thrives on evil MIL, SIL, FIL, BIL ............ they start the story with a good premise, their FL is always from an oppressed background and they show her fighting all odds and getting a ML who is rich, famous and good looking, As opposed to the FL who is usually average looking. This all is for a reson... for this you have to see the kind of advertising sponsors on these serials. Usually these sponsors are companies who want to make a name for themselves in rural markets of India, where every mother, sister, wife aspires to be in the shoes of the FL and go through her triumphs as she fights all the odds stacked against her.

This is behavioural science. Advertisers apply it to change storylines as per the trps. They do not check urban trps so much, they chk the rural trps where the sponsor wants to sell their products more. And research groups are placed in such markets and story is changed as per their liking, because people buy accordingly.

Its all a game of advertising. Don't study behaviour of protagonists on SP, Zee and Colors... instead study which companies sponsor the serial. That will tell you how the storyline is going to be tampered with. I have worked for an agency which does market research for rural markets watching these shows, and i have seen them making insane changes to stories, just because those research groups want to see that insane stuff.

This is also why crap serials like icchadhari naagin, and ek thi daayan get made.

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much love, light and laughter,
Battu

Originally posted by: bajarbattu

Okay so you are studying psychology. Fair Enough.

But allow me to explain to you why the serials have digressed to such levels in the past 10-15 years. And I can tell you that what I am going to say now is 100% truth, because I am from the advertising industry professionally, and have worked in the area of branding for many years now.

If you want better serials and better and present day sane content, go watch serials on Sony Liv. Pashminna and Kavya are two running examples of contemporary story telling. Even Katha was in the same zone. Good mature family content.

You are expecting the moon out of serials on Star Plus, Zee and Colours. You are never going to get it dear. Simply because of the audience perception of these channels as opposed to the kind of audience that Sony Liv gets.

Star Plus, Colours and Zee are the maternal house of dramas with such crazy saas bahu nonsense that thrives on evil MIL, SIL, FIL, BIL ............ they start the story with a good premise, their FL is always from an oppressed background and they show her fighting all odds and getting a ML who is rich, famous and good looking, As opposed to the FL who is usually average looking. This all is for a reson... for this you have to see the kind of advertising sponsors on these serials. Usually these sponsors are companies who want to make a name for themselves in rural markets of India, where every mother, sister, wife aspires to be in the shoes of the FL and go through her triumphs as she fights all the odds stacked against her.

This is behavioural science. Advertisers apply it to change storylines as per the trps. They do not check urban trps so much, they chk the rural trps where the sponsor wants to sell their products more. And research groups are placed in such markets and story is changed as per their liking, because people buy accordingly.

Its all a game of advertising. Don't study behaviour of protagonists on SP, Zee and Colors... instead study which companies sponsor the serial. That will tell you how the storyline is going to be tampered with. I have worked for an agency which does market research for rural markets watching these shows, and i have seen them making insane changes to stories, just because those research groups want to see that insane stuff.

This is also why crap serials like icchadhari naagin, and ek thi daayan get made.

-
much love, light and laughter,
Battu

You think I don't know this i know honey i said i am studying do you know why i also belong to marketing. Marketing ke liye human psychology pe research h meri.

Anyway you totally missed my point where i said i am not saying that i wrote all this for serial i know how all this works. I am very well aware of that. I am saying that people in real life again IN REAL LIFE affecting with all this and supporting this i am just giving them an insight of the consequences of all this.

I hope you will now understand my view. I am not pinpointing about serial and there character. I am just saying only one thing that those who are supporting her in all this and justifying all this yaa they have there own opinion that can do all this but be aware of the consequences which no one have shown it.

By the way i am an MBA graduate and for now doing an research where i have to study human psychology for that. So i know very well how this marketing industry works again for your satisfaction i will again say i am not saying that this serial is showcasing this they don't have to. They can do whatever they want but my only point is those who are supporting her and saying she is not wrong i am just showing them the consequences of the madness she has. That's it.

I hope now i am clear again nothing against the serial they can show whatever they want. Also i am not studying there behaviour hindi main main inki yani kisi bhi character behaviour nahi padh rahi usse padhne ke liye main kuch case study padhi thi jisme aise cases maine dekhe and jo log in sab ko sahi maan rahe hain unke liye sirf itna kaha ki isse sahi manane se pehle isse apne real life main apply karne walo ka anjaam dekho aur phir in sab ko apne life main follow karne kaa socho. Serial hai mujhe pata hai par kai andhe bhakto ko nahi pata hai voh bus chal dete hai ki serial main ho raha toh hum bhi karenge. Are serial ko apni life main mat uttaro. Bus itna kaha.

And please ab shayad samjh main aa gaya ho ki main kya bolna chah rahi hu. Ye sab maine pehle vhi likhe pehle Wale comm main par aapko shayad main samjha nahi payi.

Originally posted by: bajarbattu

Okay so you are studying psychology. Fair Enough.

But allow me to explain to you why the serials have digressed to such levels in the past 10-15 years. And I can tell you that what I am going to say now is 100% truth, because I am from the advertising industry professionally, and have worked in the area of branding for many years now.

If you want better serials and better and present day sane content, go watch serials on Sony Liv. Pashminna and Kavya are two running examples of contemporary story telling. Even Katha was in the same zone. Good mature family content.

You are expecting the moon out of serials on Star Plus, Zee and Colours. You are never going to get it dear. Simply because of the audience perception of these channels as opposed to the kind of audience that Sony Liv gets.

Star Plus, Colours and Zee are the maternal house of dramas with such crazy saas bahu nonsense that thrives on evil MIL, SIL, FIL, BIL ............ they start the story with a good premise, their FL is always from an oppressed background and they show her fighting all odds and getting a ML who is rich, famous and good looking, As opposed to the FL who is usually average looking. This all is for a reson... for this you have to see the kind of advertising sponsors on these serials. Usually these sponsors are companies who want to make a name for themselves in rural markets of India, where every mother, sister, wife aspires to be in the shoes of the FL and go through her triumphs as she fights all the odds stacked against her.

This is behavioural science. Advertisers apply it to change storylines as per the trps. They do not check urban trps so much, they chk the rural trps where the sponsor wants to sell their products more. And research groups are placed in such markets and story is changed as per their liking, because people buy accordingly.

Its all a game of advertising. Don't study behaviour of protagonists on SP, Zee and Colors... instead study which companies sponsor the serial. That will tell you how the storyline is going to be tampered with. I have worked for an agency which does market research for rural markets watching these shows, and i have seen them making insane changes to stories, just because those research groups want to see that insane stuff.

This is also why crap serials like icchadhari naagin, and ek thi daayan get made.

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much love, light and laughter,
Battu

Wow! This is so educative and something a layman would never know or imagine!!

Though this makes me feel that the audience is basically being scammed. Nobody gives a crap in the PH then?

How does this affect the complex storylines that are penned that you mentioned before?

Also, how much does this affect a show like Yrkkh that has a solid and established trp audience?

I hope you don't mind the questions. 🙈 just inquisitive because this is something completely new I've learnt today

Originally posted by: bajarbattu

Thank you for your kind words.... I am so glad I was able to make you look at Ruhi with kinder eyes.

See the thing is that in a drama you need all kinds of characters to make the story interesting and to devise plots that take the story forward. If you look at this generation's yrkkh opening poster, you will know whats the endgame for Armaan.

They have Abhira in the forefront, Behind her is Armaan, and last is Ruhi. Now what is important here is where all three are looking, and also the expressions on their faces. Everybody is smiling but albeit for different reasons.

Abhira is looking straight ahead. Which means her gaze is on her goal. Armaan is also looking straight ahead, but he has Abhira in his view and he is smiling, which means whatever his start was, his goal is Abhira, and he will support her all the way through. Now look at Ruhi.... she is not facing ahead, her body is actually facing the other way, but she is looking back with a smile on her face. This suggests two things. One is that she always wanted Armaan to go with her, hence she will keep coming into his space with her own happiness in mind. Always luring him away from Abhira. But not giving him, what he wants. Secondly Ruhi is this spoilt dreamy character, who thinks that because she has dreamt something it must come true, that is why the extreme smile. She expects unrealistic things out of life, and she depends on others to make these to happen.

But both Abhira and Armaan, work on their goals, both professional and personal on their own. This is what he meant, when Armaan told of Ruhi on the day she thought Abhira pushed him.... he asserted to her that Abhira is not immature.

Armaan and Abhira's love story is going to be like a fine wine, which just gets more sweeter as days go by. Already we can see that Abhira's antics (which Ruhi thinks are immature) give Armaan a lot of solace. Not because she is mischievous or childish, but because he sees that it's her way to deal with the gargantuan problems in her life. Ruhi in those terms has had a very protected life, and yet she plays the victim card every time something goes even slightly wrong. Abhira never ever plays the victim card. And that is solace for Armaan, because she sees to it that she does not become an added responsibility for him. Her silent way of standing aback and doing things for the betterment of everyone is what draws Armaan towards her. Their advance towards each other is very silent, and stealthy, which is why Ruhi will never be able to penetrate this. Their relationship is very very personal. and as Swarna tried telling Ruhi the other day, ki unhe bhi pataa nahi chalega ki kab duriyaan mit gayi, kab lagao hua aur kab ek dusre ko chaahne lage.

I believe for Abhira and Armaan's love story to become as impactful as the Kaira love story, we will need all antagonistic's to bring challenges in front of them. The more the antagonism, the stronger their bond becomes. And we will have Ruhi doing her best to lure Armaan away, Dragonsa bringing on her worst Dragon behaviour, Vidya being unnecessarily mean and Manisha Chachi throwing her truth bombs at consistent intervals to make all the challenges for Maahira all the more messy. But this all will bring Armaan even more closer to Abhira. That is how story tellin on Star Plus works. Its an elongated chain of vile behaviour that gets the best out of the lead pair always!

That's never going to change.

@bold red

Yes that is correct. Vidya had initially thought that she would be a good bride for Armaan. But she immediately changed her mind when Dragonsa took Rohit's name. This is what Madhav keeps telling Vidya, that she is biased towards Rohit, and very easily expects Armaan to make all the sacrifices. But even Vidya is also so much in the changul of Dragon Sa, that she has made her home into a prison for herself, and follows every word of her Saas. She does so because, when she discovered the guy she married was already married and had a child, the person who supported her was her saas, so in a convulated manner she has told herself that since saas supported her, she has to support saas.

For me Abhira's story is very parellel to Naira's. Just as Naira had to put up with the egoistic ways of Suhasini Goenka, Abhira will have to put up with Dragonsa's ego. The only difference between these two Dadi Saas's is that Suhasini Goenka felt the sun shone out of Kartik, so for his happiness she accepted Naira in her life. But in case of Dragon Sa, she is fond of Armaan, but not so fond that she will put up with Abhira for his sake. So Abhira's challenge as far as Armaan's Dadi is concerned will be more than that of Naira.

@bold blue

Yeah they do think. I have several friends who are writers and producers in ITV. And they all follow the rules of foreshadowing, creating character arcs and complex storytelling when they have to go write a completely new story / or take a leap. They have to! Else same thing will happen what happened with yrkkh gen 3.

See we feel that they do not put thought, but its not that way. For serials like YRKKH that are running for so long, they will have a team of writers - So they will have the Creative Director who brainstorms with the script writer for a new story, then the that story is given to the screenplay writer, who sets the mood along with the script, and lastly are the dialogue writers. They all work in teams. So the story is going through several hands before it comes to the Director. So to think that they don't think at all is really not it. If there are any bloopers or broken links, then it could be at the edit table, or because of time crunch. These writers are seasoned writers who can put in symbolism at the drop of the hat in the written material.

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I will write about Abhira and Ruhi tomorrow now. Ab hamein ninni aa rahi hai.

See you later Alligator.

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much love, light and laughter,
Battu.