"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #2 - Page 90

There's this conversation Ayra and Zaid had in the car once before. I don't remember exactly what it was on, but Ayra expected Zaid to ask her repeatedly regarding going out or something. Once was not enough for her. I think she had refused a lift from him, but expected him to pick her up or something...

Zaid on the other hand, took a No as No. The same thing could be applied to Ayra's refusal to marry Zaid...did she expect him to come asking her again and again, when she had pushed him away?

If she really loved Zaid, she could have written a sorry Bhai note and gone with Zaid...because Bhai never gave her a reason. Somehow that was acceptable enough for her to push Zaid away. Then comes the news of his wedding...did we actually see her pining for him before that? I don't remember exactly...with or without love, for the amount of companionship they had, a break up would hurt both. This is exactly what the show has conveyed to me as a viewer so far.

Actually both are quite suited for each other if there was no class difference. It's not only Asif who has a problem with class, Ayra herself has always shown she's insecure about the class difference - more than confidence, it was insecurity that drove her to seek a job for herself and maintain strict standards about her timings etc which for some reason Zaid doesn't understand. He doesn't see that difference, of course he doesn't need to be aware of it since he's not at the receiving end.

So the insecurity about class in Ayra's mind comes out in her dissuading Zaid from calling her during her office hours as she has to establish her mein there- this is me. This is who I am. My work comes before everything else...she has to establish her mein to survive the class difference. This insecurity is Ayra's undoing actually. Even without Asif it existed and now it's going to be compounded.

If Asif and MJ were not there, it'd come out in small bits at social outings, comparisons with Kash etc. but Zaid would shield her. Still, it'd exist and she won't be able to tackle it because she has a strong mein which cannot overcome the class. It is unfortunate, but it exists...just like nepotism. It is unfair, but it is unavoidable. That doesn't mean people don't marry across classes. They do, and brilliantly learn to ignore stuff and focus on their productivity alone. If Ayra wants to make this relationship work, she needs to focus on her productivity instead of complaining. If she was confident, she would be able to get above it actually. In her insecurity she's complaining constantly and giving Zaid a headache. There's only so much he can control how other people behave - it's upto her to manage on her own too. Life is not a bed of roses for anyone, people simply learn to tackle along the way....which is what MJ is doing. She's playing a game, yes. But she's going through some heartache and misses Zaid...she tries to make it work for her without hurting Zaid...she demanded equality in their relationship, but she has realised she needs to give Zaid respect and less headache from her side...she's learning along the way.

If Ayra learned to balance that from her side rather than react violently to everything, Zaid would still stay attracted to her...and finally Mubashira would give up.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Well said. Zaid and Ayra belong to this category. No one felt they were in passionate love. It was a convenient love. Ayra did feel cheated when his marriage news broke out. Asif's manipulation was so shocking and upsetting, she felt they were both manipulated, that's why she is back with him. If Asif manipulated, her brother also kept the fact away from her- that was her family' s fault too.

There's one more reason Ayra should never have thought of Zaid again. She just cut ties with him in a second...refused any communication - after that, I'm with Kash fully...she didn't respect him enough to give him a reason. He deserved better. She could have met him and talked it out peacefully saying she cannot leave her brother, like he had just come, leaving his family...that conversation didn't happen because after that there would be no room for Zaid's guilt because he married after Ayra clarified her stance ...even Asif's deception has not that much effect because Ayra would have made it crystal clear she chose her family over Zaid...he has no business going back to her after that. Right now the story moved at such a pace with abrupt decisions, so Zaid and Ayra felt their story was sacrificed...if Zaid sat with a clear head he'd understand that Ayra actually was selfish enough to choose her family over him and she didn't even need a solid reason to do so ...brother said, so she agreed....if she had not eavesdropped into the conversation, she would never have looked towards Zaid.

Theirs was not a true love...never...Ayra didn't even make a half hearted attempt to find out what happened or even tell Zaid she'd wait a few weeks and see what's going on in Bhai's mind. She just acted like Zaid didn't matter at all.

na I totally put all the blame on Zaid here. He didn’t give Ayra any benefit of the doubt, went and made an abrupt rash decision driven SOLELY by ego to marry MJ. Remember how many flashbacks he had of Aamir saying he had no self worth and no place of his own? It had stung him bad. Ayra siding with her brother was just the cherry on top. Simple fact was that boy just couldn’t handle rejection and did something dumb. And he did it so fast Ayra got no time to reconcile with him.

He takes away all the blame from Ayra later on when he’s talking to kashmala that any respectable girl in her position would have done the exact same thing and those are facts. You just don’t desert your loving family to go and do a court marriage. And Zaid isn’t close to his family but he knew Ayra was very close to hers - so it was shitty of him to even expect that from her. He understood that but much later on when he had already married MJ.

This entire arc was Zaid being shitty to two women - not giving time to his girlfriend to reconcile by making an abrupt and quick decision AND marrying someone he didn’t even like. He didn’t even talk to MJ once before the wedding ! If he had shared his frame of mind with her, MJ herself would have backed out from marrying him. Poor girl was thinking she was marrying a 100% safe choice.

Ultimately however you try to make sense out of it… It’s illogical writing. Because the writer wanted to force a Zaid MJ wedding. It makes NO sense for a couple to not communicate at all like this lol. None whatsoever - even if there was love or not. So this was just writers ploy to get to the situation she wanted that’s it. And she wanted to show Zaid’s vindictive side in asserting his Mein. One of the many mistakes he makes when he’s driven by ego.

Originally posted by: tgota92

na I totally put all the blame on Zaid here. He didn’t give Ayra any benefit of the doubt, went and made an abrupt rash decision driven SOLELY by ego to marry MJ. Remember how many flashbacks he had of Aamir saying he had no self worth and no place of his own? It had stung him bad. Ayra siding with her brother was just the cherry on top. Simple fact was that boy just couldn’t handle rejection and did something dumb. And he did it so fast Ayra got no time to reconcile with him.

He takes away all the blame from Ayra later on when he’s talking to kashmala that any respectable girl in her marriage would have done the exact same thing and those are facts. You just don’t desert your loving family to go and do a court marriage. And Zaid isn’t close to his family but he knew Ayra was very close to hers - so it was shitty of him to even expect that from her. He understood that but much later on when he had already married MJ.

This entire arc was Zaid being shitty to two women - not giving time to his girlfriend to reconcile by making an abrupt and quick decision AND marrying someone he didn’t even like. He didn’t even talk to MJ once before the wedding ! If he had shared his frame of mind with her, MJ herself would have backed out from marrying him. Poor girl was thinking she was marrying a 100% safe choice.

Ultimately however you try to make sense out of it… It’s illogical writing. Because the writer wanted to force a Zaid MJ wedding. It makes NO sense for a couple to not communicate at all like this lol. None whatsoever - even if there was love or not. So this was just writers ploy to get to the situation she wanted that’s it. And she wanted to show Zaid’s vindictive side in asserting his Mein. One of the many mistakes he makes when he’s driven by ego.

Zaid is very straightforward and to the point. He doesn't understand yet that a No from a woman doesn't mean a No. 😂 Men actually learn that only years after marriage. In that respect, Mubashira understood him way before marriage. He explained why he did what he did for her in an un emotional way and she took it the same way- 'Well said, Zaid' type and she goes her way...

Why he had to give such a lengthy explanation instead of just accepting the appreciation is beyond me 😂- may be he just wanted to tell her not to expect him to support her more.

It makes sense to me why MJ was surprised he agreed to marry her as he never expressed any interest in her, but she didn't expect a heart to heart before marriage. She knows Zaid as a friend quite well and there's nothing lovey dovey to talk about from her side. Like any girl going into an arranged marriage out of compulsion she has no choice but to make it work with a decent partner.

Zaid was just fed up with women, I think. He spent so many years trying to understand one- Ayra was really a confusing one...he kept telling her to take up their wedding with her brother, but she was waiting for God- knows- what safe time...and the suddenly she calls him in desperation, after being cool bunking so many proposals. And then there's flat refusal from her side as if years of their affair never existed...

He said whatever...marry whoever...🤭

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Well said. Zaid and Ayra belong to this category. No one felt they were in passionate love. It was a convenient love. Ayra did feel cheated when his marriage news broke out. Asif's manipulation was so shocking and upsetting, she felt they were both manipulated, that's why she is back with him. If Asif manipulated, her brother also kept the fact away from her- that was her family' s fault too.

There's one more reason Ayra should never have thought of Zaid again. She just cut ties with him in a second...refused any communication - after that, I'm with Kash fully...she didn't respect him enough to give him a reason. He deserved better. She could have met him and talked it out peacefully saying she cannot leave her brother, like he had just come, leaving his family...that conversation didn't happen because after that there would be no room for Zaid's guilt because he married after Ayra clarified her stance ...even Asif's deception has not that much effect because Ayra would have made it crystal clear she chose her family over Zaid...he has no business going back to her after that. Right now the story moved at such a pace with abrupt decisions, so Zaid and Ayra felt their story was sacrificed...if Zaid sat with a clear head he'd understand that Ayra actually was selfish enough to choose her family over him and she didn't even need a solid reason to do so ...brother said, so she agreed....if she had not eavesdropped into the conversation, she would never have looked towards Zaid.

Theirs was not a true love...never...Ayra didn't even make a half hearted attempt to find out what happened or even tell Zaid she'd wait a few weeks and see what's going on in Bhai's mind. She just acted like Zaid didn't matter at all.

Thought I was the only one who felt this way. Both Zaid and Aira were having a relationship of convenience; at least that is how it looked like from the beginning. Zaid mentioned to Kashmala that it is respect and understanding that he expect in a relationship; ironically, it seems like those were exactly what Aira failed to bring in to their 'relationship'. She is more stubborn and selfish - it was always her way. Even in the last episode, it was her sister in law who showed her the mirror - not she understanding the precarious position she was putting Zaid in, especially, he has already left the house once and returned back on only Aira's insistence, so he has already burnt that bridge - there is no going on that path for him. Agreed, Asif played dirty. But Aira did not show an ounce of compassion towards her lover, who came to her doorstep, leaving behind everything (and at that time 'unmarried'!). She siding with her brother, who is her only family for the longest, is understandable. But not trying to contact Zaid later and trying to at least find a middle ground - that puts a huge question mark on the importance he has in her life. Also, the first thing Zaid does after her rejection to go directly to his father and get him married to Mubashira ASAP - Like seriously?? They both broke the thread at the first sight of turbulence. There are many scenes during their courtship period that showed she is a bit inconsiderate towards Zaid's feelings (as a matter of fact she was inconsiderate towards her bhabi's feelings as well!) - not revealing about their relationship to her family even though Zaid kept telling him, that food scene, making him going around and putting it under the carpet as 'I like to trouble you' etc- she was somewhat haughty at the fact that someone as Zaid was there at her whims and fancies, And it has not changed, if anything with all the tragedies and Zaid feeling responsible, I think it has increased. So, therefore, I still have hard time believing they love each other, despite the continuous proclamations from both. Currently, I feel Zaid has more guilt within him than love, and Aira, I am not really sure.

These flashbacks of Amir telling Zaid he was a nobody without his surname etc. I didn't understand how that played on his ego and made him agree to marry MJ.

I never felt he did it to spite Ayra.

Actually those flashbacks pushed him deeper into depression. It looked like he was swallowing it... whatever Asif said was true. He was a no one beyond his surname. That's exactly what Amir was telling. It was class difference thrown in the opposite direction...to tell someone they were just about wealth and there was no substance in the family. It was like Amir would marry his sister only among his acquaintances ... marrying her into Zaid's family was like throwing her to the wolves type...

Originally posted by: anu41982

Thought I was the only one who felt this way. Both Zaid and Aira were having a relationship of convenience; at least that is how it looked like from the beginning. Zaid mentioned to Kashmala that it is respect and understanding that he expect in a relationship; ironically, it seems like those were exactly what Aira failed to bring in to their 'relationship'. She is more stubborn and selfish - it was always her way. Even in the last episode, it was her sister in law who showed her the mirror - not she understanding the precarious position she was putting Zaid in, especially, he has already left the house once and returned back on only Aira's insistence, so he has already burnt that bridge - there is no going on that path for him. Agreed, Asif played dirty. But Aira did not show an ounce of compassion towards her lover, who came to her doorstep, leaving behind everything (and at that time 'unmarried'!). She siding with her brother, who is her only family for the longest, is understandable. But not trying to contact Zaid later and trying to at least find a middle ground - that puts a huge question mark on the importance he has in her life. Also, the first thing Zaid does after her rejection to go directly to his father and get him married to Mubashira ASAP - Like seriously?? They both broke the thread at the first sight of turbulence. There are many scenes during their courtship period that showed she is a bit inconsiderate towards Zaid's feelings (as a matter of fact she was inconsiderate towards her bhabi's feelings as well!) - not revealing about their relationship to her family even though Zaid kept telling him, that food scene, making him going around and putting it under the carpet as 'I like to trouble you' etc- she was somewhat haughty at the fact that someone as Zaid was there at her whims and fancies, And it has not changed, if anything with all the tragedies and Zaid feeling responsible, I think it has increased. So, therefore, I still have hard time believing they love each other, despite the continuous proclamations from both. Currently, I feel Zaid has more guilt within him than love, and Aira, I am not really sure.

Last part is exactly what Ayra does out of insecurity. She wants to make doubly triply sure this prince is her ghulaam. She has been training him for the same for months...🤭 Unfortunately the prince is a little dumb and too straightforward and if not handled with care will only treat her as a responsibility and liability.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

These flashbacks of Amir telling Zaid he was a nobody without his surname etc. I didn't understand how that played on his ego and made him agree to marry MJ.

I never felt he did it to spite Ayra.

Actually those flashbacks pushed him deeper into depression. It looked like he was swallowing it... whatever Asif said was true. He was a no one beyond his surname. That's exactly what Amir was telling. It was class difference thrown in the opposite direction...to tell someone they were just about wealth and there was no substance in the family. It was like Amir would marry his sister only among his acquaintances ... marrying her into Zaid's family was like throwing her to the wolves type...

I will bring you back to the title of the drama, “Mein” and Zaid’s first monologue on the yacht in episode 1’s beginning - Zaid married MJ purely out of ego after getting rejected. You know how break ups have rebounds ? For Zaid that was his marriage to MJ lol. It was totally out of spite.

The zaid in the wedding episode (episode 8 I think?) was NOT a depressed Zaid at all. It was as off he had been running on autopilot and had suddenly woken up - he was vicious, vindictive and extremely egoistic. We had assumed him to be the “nice guy” but he showed us his ugly side. And that side of him stayed well into his marriage with MJ and while he was threatening her.

Tbh I place most of this situations blame on Zaid. First he wrongfully punished MJ for things she had no fault in for the most part and then he just REFUSED to let Ayra be. Girl was happy going off to sukkur but no, Zaid just had to marry her. Also both MJ and Ayra are the better written characters - they have an arc at least. Zaid is not well written even though wahaj is portraying the nuances of zaid really well. I’m sure if someone else was playing him, we would absolutely hate this character lol.

Originally posted by: tgota92

I will bring you back to the title of the drama, “Mein” and Zaid’s first monologue on the yacht in episode 1’s beginning - Zaid married MJ purely out of ego after getting rejected. You know how break ups have rebounds ? For Zaid that was his marriage to MJ lol. It was totally out of spite.

The zaid in the wedding episode (episode 8 I think?) was NOT a depressed Zaid at all. It was as off he had been running on autopilot and had suddenly woken up - he was vicious, vindictive and extremely egoistic. We had assumed him to be the “nice guy” but he showed us his ugly side. And that side of him stayed well into his marriage with MJ and while he was threatening her.

Tbh I place most of this situations blame on Zaid. First he wrongfully punished MJ for things she had no fault in for the most part and then he just REFUSED to let Ayra be. Girl was happy going off to sukkur but no, Zaid just had to marry her. Also both MJ and Ayra are the better written characters - they have an arc at least. Zaid is not well written even though wahaj is portraying the nuances of zaid really well. I’m sure if someone else was playing him, we would absolutely hate this character lol.

Probably will watch it later again.

The sequence in my mind is

Zaid is heartbroken - survives that considering it a bad luck - agrees to father's choice since his choice and her family has put him and his family down firmly- enters contract marriage - is dragged out by Ayra who evokes his vicious side telling him of his father's scheme - he's angry because if no one had interfered in his life he'd be 'happily' married to the woman of his choice - shifts part of the blame on Mubashira who inflamed it by using Kash as bargaining power which he absolutely hated and that was the lowest MJ could be and he as well as the audience hated it- as pressure mounted from MJ and his father he went totally rebellious- it was totally organic from there.

Zaid had a plan in place for his life and the moment he understood it was thwarted by others for selfish reasons his mein came out- like he told Mubashira very clearly. Till then he seemed to go along thinking this was fate.

The expression on his face as he saw Ayra at the wedding was that of a quizzical expression (at no point he tried to look happy or victorious which is what he would have wanted to if he had to spite a rejection- in fact that was what Ayra saw it as, when she knew the truth she shifted it to hatred for Asif- she felt it was tit for tat from Zaid when he had actually only reasoned that Amir would never change his mind since he was clear Ayra will not marry into a wealthy family)

If he had married MJ out of ego to show Ayra her place it would have been one of victory with a haughty look when he saw her. There was suddenly concern in his face that she was there, but too late.

If Ayra was planning to obey her brother, she should not have bothered about Zaid getting married. She had made a choice - she should have let him go. What's the point in refusing a guy for xyz reason and wondering how he could move on so fast. You want him to pine for a year before moving on? At least think he had some majboori too to accept someone else so fast...it was not like MJ was a prize catch for Zaid...he could have had so many good proposals from non controversial girls...

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Probably will watch it later again.

The sequence in my mind is

Zaid is heartbroken - survives that considering it a bad luck - agrees to father's choice since his choice and her family has put him and his family down firmly- enters contract marriage - is dragged out by Ayra who evokes his vicious side telling him of his father's scheme - he's angry because if no one had interfered in his life he'd be 'happily' married to the woman of his choice - shifts part of the blame on Mubashira who inflamed it by using Kash as bargaining power which he absolutely hated and that was the lowest MJ could be and he as well as the audience hated it- as pressure mounted from MJ and his father he went totally rebellious- it was totally organic from there.

Zaid had a plan in place for his life and the moment he understood it was thwarted by others for selfish reasons his mein came out- like he told Mubashira very clearly. Till then he seemed to go along thinking this was fate.