Feminism gaya tel lene - Page 31

@HearMeRoar: I have no issue with you. I actually think you're one of the few members on this forum who tends to introspect and I respect that. I only showed up here cuz I felt the topic was shaming women. Vanga seems to have won this, because he got women arguing amongst each other over this movie.

Originally posted by: Petrichor80

@HearMeRoar: I have no issue with you. I actually think you're one of the few members on this forum who tends to introspect and I respect that. I only showed up here cuz I felt the topic was shaming women. Vanga seems to have won this, because he got women arguing amongst each other over this movie.

If this movie had racism, antisemitism or any other bigotry, would it have been as celebrated and excused? Misogyny is the most overlooked and normalized bigotry and discrimination even though it’s the most harmful of all, harming billions of people till day.

I don't think that blaming movies for crimes that happen agaisnt women, is fair.

We have had far more movies like Bahubali and Adipurush that promote the ideal hero who respects women but did that stop crimes agaisnt women?

Having said that, Vanga needs to understand the influence of his movies on fragile minds. Fair enough its art but I feel he is going overboard with his whole "dark" theme and glorifying violence/extra marital affair is never a good idea.

This thread ended the way I expected. Marry in haste, repent at leisure comes to mind.

Yikes! This thread is running close to almost 40 pages. Say what I may will about Vanga he delivers on his claims. He promised a film that would trigger people, and boy did he. Try as I may to let it go; it's like having someone claw at a festering wound that hasn't healed yet.

No one is perfect. And none of the celebrities I am a fan of are spotless. For me, it is simple - irrespective of whether I am a fan or not, I criticize when it is something I disagree with, and I praise when it is something I agree with.

I've seen countless movies with all kinds of shitty people doing all kinds of shitty things. But in most of them, especially many cited in this thread, the characters doing those shitty things aren't the protagonists or heroes. If the shitty character does end up as the protagonist - there is a redemption arc, a sense of comeuppance, or at least some exasperation built toward the character. You don't feel gross or wrong watching the movie.

The reason why Animal crosses all the lines for me is the intent of the maker and the larger impact it has. This movie is intentionally made to trigger people. In other words, hurt them by punching below the belt. So basically, this is a grown man who was so upset by the criticism he received for his previous film that he decided to zoom in on each one of them and see how far he could push the envelope.

Many movies with gray or dark protagonists were not made to trigger, upset, or hurt people. They were simply made to tell stories - of how mental health issues may trigger toxic behavior or how wealth and power make ordinary people debased and corrupt. And as a result, the other aspect is how gratuitous it is in going out of the way to humiliate women. Worst of all, it has been packaged in a way to whip the masses into a frenzy, celebrating the character for their toxicity, not despite it.

That being said, I do believe the maker has a constitutional right to make any kind of movie they desire. If people wanted to censor or ban the movie, I would be against it and stand for the rights of makers. Art imitates life, and life imitates art. But people also have the free will to watch and not watch what they want. For content made for adults, whether it be p0rnography, gambling, drugs, alcohol, or edgy movies it is up to the adults to take it with a grain of salt and know the rules of society and the law. Most importantly, I have no right to intervene or dictate what adults legally consume.

But that doesn't mean I understand and support these choices. Honestly, I know there is nothing I can do to change people's minds. And perhaps I am speaking into a pointless vacuum. To a certain extent, I get why Vanga makes the kind of movie he does. I also get why some of the masses revel in movies like this. But I will never get why so many more do. It isn't just about feminism or women's rights. It's just that how could any human who wants to be a good human support content that not only humiliates other humans for the sake of it but also was created for the sole purpose of upsetting and hurting people? But I should step away from this - no one likes a mad woman.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

It was said Ranbir goes into the red lit room to kill those people cause they were trying to kill him first. I dont know if it redeems anything

But so many people r being murdered n killed how can police n n media remain silent.

These movies r so stupid. They just try to show ML as some king n who keeps killing people n no one to ask him.

Ranbir's character is openly saying in front of workers he will cut throat of person who shot his father. And workers r cheering for him rather than being scared.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

Thankyou for having a mature perspective and differentiating between celebrating an actor vs a movie......I have said it a few times before also that I may not like the movie but I am going to watch it for my Bira's amazing acting.....people have a problem with it.....be my guest....I will offer you Pepto-Bismol to soothe your upset stomach...

I was never a feminist and never will be one.....especially this modern toxic feminism has put me totally off of it....I will stand by the wronged person irrespective of their gender...stop shaming people for their choices..

People are watching movie for different reasons -

1 Ranbir Kapoor

2 Sex scenes

3 Violence

4 To see something new

5 To see how bad it is

6 Misogynistic idiots getting orgasms from scenes and dialogues

If the discussion is about misogynistic idiots then I can't club all others with them, the distinction is extremely important as to not attack everyone but people don't understand it

It is black and white for them, hate everyone or none

I am a feminist and I think this whole black and white approach has done more harm to the cause than anything else

Baki I don't believe you can change people so there's no point. Just save your own a$$ because we are effed up big time

Originally posted by: NoraSM

People are watching movie for different reasons -

1 Ranbir Kapoor

2 Sex scenes

3 Violence

4 To see something new

5 To see how bad it is

6 Misogynistic idiots getting orgasms from scenes and dialogues

If the discussion is about misogynistic idiots then I can't club all others with them, the distinction is extremely important as to not attack everyone but people don't understand it

It is black and white for them, hate everyone or none

I am a feminist and I think this whole black and white approach has done more harm to the cause than anything else because you lose support.

Also, how do we even differentiate between people who cheering for the movie or common men cheering for the BO. I understand Rohit Jaiswal or Komal Nehta benefitting from it and earning, so they have that capacity to remain objective. But common people like you and I, or Ranbir fans who aint getting a penny out of it, why’d they cheer for such movie’s BO success which inherently is a against everything we’ve all learnt and read and known in our lifetimes.

Originally posted by: zara321

Whether the movie encourages people to do things or not, what is shown is really toxic, disgusting and extremely problematic. It glorifies a horrible man, it shows women being abused, a pregnant women being threatened with a gun, and is filled with highly misogynistic stuff, alot of which is presented as a 'joke' to make the audience laugh And it's not even a well written or directed movie

I find it extremely hilarious how the conversation has pivoted into the direction of not even questioning multimillionaires about why they choose to act in films and earn money from films that justify violence on and sexual coercion of women.

Was this role soooooooooooooooooooooo artistically gratifying for the actor that questioning him about his choices are curtailing his fundamental liberties as a citizen????

If I were an actor, I would love to do roles that are diametrically opposite to me. Not if they glorified sexual violence lol

Amazing how certification board is not even asked why such are allowed without discretion warnings.