Bawaal review - Page 11

Originally posted by: Clochette

sev, honestly, to me it is absolutely okay if you don't accept this comparison 😊

No, I hadn't been at Auschwitz... we have Dachau in Germany (near Munich)...and I have a vaste knowledge of the way Jews and "defected" people had been treated during the '3rd Reich'.

The way Tiwari picturized the horrors of the war and the camps were sufficient to change Ajay's thinking about his own position in life...it was well made...

Did you watch the Italian movie "Life is beautiful"? It's another impressive movie where the horrors of a fascist concentration camp serve to give a life lesson.

Anne Frank is very special to me as I read her diary when I was at her age...and this book (and the different movies about) equally gives you a life lesson.

You see, Tiwari used the journey and the narration of the old man to tell something he wanted to give to the audience to reflect...but somehow I guess that those who work for separative thinking in India just shut their mind and heart (you know that I don't mean you, okay!).

Didn’t mean to start a comparison on Auschwitz vs Anne Frank House experience, there were people in tears in both places when I went. Just Auschwitz hit harder when I saw an actual Holocaust survivor and also there’s massive Jewish groups of young students that visit where they’re being told what their ancestors went through. Just super emotional and again, very difficult to understand a context where it’s an appropriate relationship comparison.

This movie is so insensitive in so many levels it should’ve never happened. If takes Hilter and what he did to millions of innocent people to turn you into a decent human being then no. JUST NOO.

So, do you think, one shouldn't learn from human history...not even in a small way from huge issues???

sev, I hoped you would realise that with "separating thinking" I mean what happens in Indian politics and society ...

I didn't want to start a comparison, neither...just wanted to tell you 😊

sometimes following individual stories gives a better comprehension for the amount of individual fates that war-numbers and genocide-numbers (e.g.) contain...

Originally posted by: Clochette

sev, I hoped you would realise that with "separating thinking" I mean what happens in Indian politics and society ...

I didn't want to start a comparison, neither...just wanted to tell you 😊

sometimes following individual stories gives a better comprehension for the amount of individual fates that war-numbers and genocide-numbers (e.g.) contain...

Correct, I wrote "separative" but what I meant is in the meaning of separating not referring to Kashmir but to lead people who lived in peace together (and were even friends) to a thinking that separates them (like it is done by politics in India with the sense of "divide and rule").

Tiwari doesn't name that but this thinking - among others - has enabled the horrors of the German fascism...inside the country and outside.

Also the building of a (fake) image, of a "make believe" and take personal profit of it (a human character-weakness) has enabled the Second WW and the holocaust.

Also the meaning of 'authority' and 'power' acted out in a negative way did the same...and the most it has been

ignorance & indifference to learn that enabled to do and to let do what happend in that time period... and also happens in India since far too long.

The key line of the movie is the boy's question about why the jews had to shed their clothes before getting killed. It's a very logical question because not knowing the mind of those in power one won't know the reason. And with the image, Ajay had built he could not simply say "I don't know...but I will research for the answer".

For authorities, it is far too often impossible to accept that 'they don't know' and they turn their negative feeling about that into a negative feeling about the other(s) ... and most probably become agressive if the one who asked is 'inferior' in position... and this happens worldwide, in families, between couples, in professional life, in schools, among kids...

those who want to keep a feeling of own power will demonstrate power...

The notion of "equal rights" is only to realise in relations without any powerplay.

That's what this movie shows, that's what Ajay learns and Nisha already knew.

I tried to like this one but nah … didn’t work for me . There were moments but nothing stood out . Performances from team lead were just ok to not so ok😞disappointing .

Originally posted by: Clochette

Correct, I wrote "separative" but what I meant is in the meaning of separating not referring to Kashmir but to lead people who lived in peace together (and were even friends) to a thinking that separates them (like it is done by politics in India with the sense of "divide and rule").

Tiwari doesn't name that but this thinking - among others - has enabled the horrors of the German fascism...inside the country and outside.

Also the building of a (fake) image, of a "make believe" and take personal profit of it (a human character-weakness) has enabled the Second WW and the holocaust.

Also the meaning of 'authority' and 'power' acted out in a negative way did the same...and the most it has been

ignorance & indifference to learn that enabled to do and to let do what happend in that time period... and also happens in India since far too long.

The key line of the movie is the boy's question about why the jews had to shed their clothes before getting killed. It's a very logical question because not knowing the mind of those in power one won't know the reason. And with the image, Ajay had built he could not simply say "I don't know...but I will research for the answer".

For authorities, it is far too often impossible to accept that 'they don't know' and they turn their negative feeling about that into a negative feeling about the other(s) ... and most probably become agressive if the one who asked is 'inferior' in position... and this happens worldwide, in families, between couples, in professional life, in schools, among kids...

those who want to keep a feeling of own power will demonstrate power...

The notion of "equal rights" is only to realise in relations without any powerplay.

That's what this movie shows, that's what Ajay learns and Nisha already knew.

Whatever I wanted to write, I wrote...I won't repeat it anymore...

Your interpreation of what you read, is yours...not mine.

Your interpretation of the movie is yours, not mine.

So different opinions...nothing else.

And I maintain that the marriage wasn't compared to the holocaust regardless how many understood the contrary.

Varun Dhawan’s character is such an ass in the film why would any girl waste even few minutes on him. Even when Janvi’s character forgives him towards the end , he still doesn’t seem a bit likeable. 😕