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Posted: 2 years ago

One can blame Satya but in reality it’s whitewash of PL and abrupt ending to her character and exit as victim has caused damaged.

2.5years of her actions git nullified- literally they just send her off- no one is willing to talk about Surrogacy- her obsession of Virat. None ever got addressed but its all - IGNORED. No loose threads of that previous trio is tied. PL os still hailed as good mother.

And instead if giving ML a redemption they are literally using Sai and Satya marriage to justify everything Virat and PL did (crimes excluded and not to be remembered). Suddenly Virat CN are all blaming Sai like PL never existed!

Even Vinu is back to Sai in lackluster way. Nothing got proper closure, why would people invest un story? One can blame Sai and Satya but if they had given Sai and Satya proper build up, Make Sai drop truth bombs on Virat about what he and PL did, instead of making her sulk and cry for the man who drove her away- TRP would have sly rocketed. But they will never show PL was wrong- hence the drop.


Satya’s character is scapegoat but ITV had many successful second MLs, many famous and loved MLs are second leads- but here they even got him to glorify Virat and kind of deviate from PL- not to make them pay their dues.

ITv loves strong FL, see her win over antagonist but here they took strong FL, made ger meek and now almost acting like a looser who takes shit from her ex his family- all these while Vamp got free pass and exit.


Edited by Sab07 - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago

TRP audience are casual viewers...who watch while doing their chores

They want drama, story, entertainment...something that holds their attention.

What works, what doesn't....nobody knows for sure.

Channels have this tendency to copy something that works...churn out same thing again & again

Edited by nethraa_99 - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago

You explained everything very politely.., and I agree with this .. I was very crude in explaining this and that’s why 😂😂…



So glad to see you here … though the rubber has been stretched so much it had to break … 🤷‍♀️ .

. and yes Rono never drank .. but he had close friends he could discuss his problems with and they gave Him impartial viewpoints …. Madhuparna husband and onir da .. and he took it with a pinch of salt …

. post leap virat has been lonely and only been surrounded by ladies giving him Gyan

Edited by msin - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: sadiltl

I am not a good TRP analyzer, nor I followed any ITV shows other than ghum so I am not a good person to comment. But through the views of some of my friends here and analyzing the numbers, I think I gained some knowledge. Based on that here is my opinion.

The TRP audience has varied demographics, majority of them are like home makers who have middle class mindset, not like us who are actively studying or pursuing careers. They still have a mindset where marriage means eternal, husband makes mistakes, wives forgive and both of them work for their family. For them marriage is sacred. Unless the husband is out and out negative, they will forgive the character. They dont like wife and husband leaving each other, out of their own will. They are OK with Pakhi kind of woman separating them and paying for it. Post leap worked because of this. Sruthi didnt work as much because she is not negative as Pakhi and Virat showing favors for her, is detested. Even Virat marrying Pakhi should not have worked, except that there was anticipation that she will not get anything. Post leap they showed how Virat was not in a normal marriage and though people freaked out whether they will move on or not, they immediately showed how Pakhi's plans keep failing. This gave them the satisfaction that she is suffering and some kind of anticipation that she will pay for all her deeds.

Now, under similar circumstances, a male character for Sai would have been tolerated only to make Virat jealous and act faster to get Sai. Make him suffer with the possibility that Sai also can move on with an eligible man. But, for majority of the audience(people like us count for only 1%. Indian population is vast and diverse with similar ethos) Sai is Virat's wife. Virat loves Sai (though this 1% doesnt agree), story shows the same and people received it that way. Virat is also victim of circumstances for them, not only Sai. Hence, they cannot see them with other person. Especially Sai, not as other man's wife. This is the mindset of typical Indian women who watch the shows on TV.

Let me tell you an example. My mother and aunt follow telugu version of Ghum. They started on my insistence. They didnt like Pakhi from the beginning because she was very much on the face unlike our Pakhi. They instantly liked Sai. And slowly liked Virat. Now they are at a phase where they root for them, just like we did before confession. While I was watching Ghum along with my mother(she understands hindi), she asked few questions where I spoiled for her that Virat married Pakhi in Sai's absense. Do you know what her first question was?! Shock and then she asked whether he was conjugal with her. :D My mother is a fairly progressive woman. But her question made me burst out in laughter. I asked her, how does it matter. The marriage itself is a betrayal right? She said, but he married when his wife was dead and while adopting a kid. It is kind of Pakhi's payback to him for ruining his life. She is also not fully convinced that he married her, because she doesnt like Pakhi in telugu version also. She said she will stop watching the telugu show also!! But see her initial reaction? She asked if he is in conjugal, loving relationship with pakhi?! TV Women are forgiving. Because of several reasons which are characteristic to their circumstances.

ITV shows are made for them, not for US, the elite, the educated and debate mongers. There is a vast spectrum of audience who judge these shows and they collectively influence TRP. For them, Satya would have worked only as a jealousy factor or a friend of Sai who pushes her towards Virat. Not as Virat's replacement.

From that view point, I think Promo did the damage. They were taken aback, but waited that it will not happen. But it did. Even Sruthi track had bad TRP, but there was anticipation that sairat will unite so they stuck with the show and TRP improved. But now, they cant wait. They are all waiting for the reunion and this happened. There was a marriage that they will never approve of and the character which delayed SaiRat reunion. So the TRP dropped, but is being maintained steadily because, just like some of us, they still switch on the TV hoping that SaiRat will reunite. With this data, I would like to make a prediction that TRP will increase as SaiRat reunion approaches. It is not rocket science at this point. It is something makers also know. Even if TRP increases, they have no story. Either they have to end or tap the increased TRP for the leap.

So long story short, it is not the actor that is responsible for TRP drop, it is the story and the new character which is wrongly placed. Even if they get SRK in HA's place, it would not have worked. Sai is Virat's wife! The story is built that way in the mind of majority of people, and they dont see Virat as villian. Only possibility is to turn him into a villain over the period of time, like many months because Virat and Sai found place in masses hearts over 2.5 years. It is not easy to erase that in few weeks. A proper story should turn Virat into villain for Sai to fall for another guy. And for that, people have to wait longer but they ran out of patience. They were all waiting for SaiRat reunion. It is not easy to change that without. The story/narrative of 2.5 years would not support that. Therefore I say, No SRK, no Hrithik, no Anuj, no Satya can replace Virat. Virat gained acceptance among the masses if not us. We are just a handful when compared to the actual audience who likes to see SaiRat together. This is the reality I understood.

I am SaiRat fan, but I dont want the story to progress this way. I have a plot that ties all the lose ends but can I explain it convincingly to the diverse womenfolk who watch this TV show? I doubt. So all the lofty ideas we have would not work in reality.

Neither Story nor the audience support SS marriage, thats why the track is failing. Not because of the actors.


PS: This is something I learnt watching ghum and the numbers. I could be wrong.

What I learnt audience will watch a show till the curiosity factors are there... VP worked or maintained a decent number because viewers might have been waiting to see whether the marriage was real.. Then VP honeymoon phase sealed the deal..Again trps were stagnant.. Then post vinu's revelation that promo about SV and kids gave hopes to audience.. So that track justified basically the HS description virat who questioned himself for his choice..His dilemma and tadap to go back sai which audience loved.. Later they have mindlessly kept Pakhi relevance by using vinu..Then HA was brought with mind blasting wedding promo which actually gave audience an impression that p is having everything on platter.. So all these suggested they have gone way too much off track..

A new hero would made sense he was required the most.. HA should have made entry post savi's revelation when virat was actually being a jerk..Sai getting married to a mere stranger to save Vinu's so called family which audience would not put up with ..moreover when she could stand up against virat why the need of this marriage.. She knows well how to handle virat.. She could have left savi with him to calm him down for Sometimes..Sairat multiple marriages is looking so meh.. 👎🏼

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

TRP audience are casual viewers...who watch while doing their chores

They want drama, story, entertainment...something that holds their attention.

What works, what doesn't....nobody knows for sure.

Channels have this tendency to copy something that works...churn out same thing again & again

Agree! And I think TRP is collective judgement. And most women share similar sentiments...May be thats why all the shows also have similar plots around same time. It is like having a row of automobile dealers on a particular road. They have to create competition, comparison and choice for the people. :D

That makes me wonder, is there a scope for genuine storytelling?I think It happens only during the initial phase. The initial 6 months to 1 year is where the story shines. The writers talent, the directors vision and actors chemistry TRULY contributes to the viewership. After that, the longevity is based on how well you can sustain the interest and competition from other shows. May be thats why I stopped SNS and DABH after 1.5 years :) They get repetitive.

That brings me to one more question. How did BV work for so long?. May be they didnt care for TRP and invested in the characters. And being a social messaging show, it had necessary backup from the channel and PH which enabled the creatives to WORK on their characters? See how Jagya character turned negative and then positive!! It took 100s of episodes, each time his character transitioned. Look at Shiv, how the love story with Anandi progressed? It takes time!! And when TRP doesnt work, channel has to back up and give time. I am not sure, just speculating. But I surely know they took A LOT of time turning Jagya to negative and then positive. It was not overnight. Thats why even his character is cherished along with Anandi and Shiv.

Edited by sadiltl - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaome

they over exhausted sairat reunion instead of focusing on increasing episode numbers.. Literally post satya's entry makers lost the plot..

One they over stretched Pakhi's shenanigans.. Then HA entry was so blah..

His characterisation was blah since the beginning and no takkar with ML... Moreover this new Jodi supposed to be be more sparkling than the original one to make it interesting...

More importantly it created blot on mother sai..Its coming across she has washed her hands off from Vinu.. They should logically pave a way for HA exit..

Dear there are literal.stats which proves audience's left watching the show since that bumper April promo ,before that promo show was at 2.7 nd after that promo played the trp decreased consecutively till today...which proves audience's was in a wait for sairat family union but alas she getting married backfired brutally then after seeing what will be the upcoming plot y anyone would invest their time to turn on TV at 8...uske baadh jitne bhi sairat 🍭 dedo y will they come back once they saw she married in promo 🤐

P. S. Ppl still have illogical nd nonsensical reasons to bash sairat who kept the show on top 3 consecutively without any downfall...

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Posted: 2 years ago

It's very rare for top grossing TRP shows to maintain sense & story. Especially Star Plus shows.

Balika Vadhu was a rarity - it worked because writers were adept at writing interesting parallel tracks...can't think of any other show that did it so well. Channel may not have interfered much because it was the no.1 show in that channel. Overall, BV's sucess was a combination of good writing as well as luck. There are many good shows which don't succeed inspite of good writing. Ultimately, after a point, even BV went down.

Ghum is too bad in writing - no good parallel tracks - relies only on excessive toxicity. 🤢Can't go far with that. I have never seen a show that is so poor in screenplay & dialogues. It did well only due to source material. All the shows of this PH have not been able to sustain even in other channels.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Have you seen. Existence ……one love story .. watch that .. I would rate it higher than BV or anyone else ..,both the leads were stellar …. You hated the ML and then you loved him and the FL never faltered …. Love never dies …. And especially when kids are involved it binds the relationship in weird ways ..

Edited by msin - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

It's very rare for top grossing TRP shows to maintain sense & story. Especially Star Plus shows.

Balika Vadhu was a rarity - it worked because writers were adept at writing interesting parallel tracks...can't think of any other show that did it so well. Channel may not have interfered much because it was the no.1 show in that channel. Overall, BV's sucess was a combination of good writing as well as luck. There are many good shows which don't succeed inspite of good writing. Ultimately, after a point, even BV went down.

Ghum is too bad in writing - no good parallel tracks - relies only on excessive toxicity. 🤢Can't go far with that. I have never seen a show that is so poor in screenplay & dialogues. It did well only due to source material. All the shows of this PH have not been able to sustain even in other channels.

Exactly this....the writing was consistently bad post the kidnap and rescue....There was no balance.,no light hearted episodes, no parallel tracks but too much toxicity

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Nivedha1

Exactly this....the writing was consistently bad post the kidnap and rescue....There was no balance.,no light hearted episodes, no parallel tracks but too much toxicity

Writing has been bad since DevKit wedding...somehow it survived. Now it has become atrocious.

Ultimately, the poor writing is solely responsible for the TRP slide we are seeing now...not any character or actor.

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