Budding closeness and new army of enemies: the real drama begins - Page 2

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

if she can't remember any disagreement between the two of them, it is just plain weird and strange. this means viaan went out of his way to say nothing that would upset her at any cost. strange, strange, strange.

how did he not choke in such a suffocating home? ugh. every time nightie mama scene comes up, part of me either tunes out or I start eye rolling. 🙄

Great points everyone.

Tezi AKA nighty momma/DM is one of the most toxic characters i have seen on Indian television I will consider her worse than Ishwari of Kuch Rang (saw people calling her Ishwari 2.0 on birdie)

There are two points here.

1. If she is upset its not bcoz she is possessive like Ishwari but its all bcoz of psychological issues

She is not an insecure wife or mother she is an insecure woman

Bcoz of being rejected by a man for other woman she has made all of this about comparison

When Vian took Katha's side she might have felt how come this woman is getting attention from a man who is going against his normal behavior to defend her

I m sure she would have thought the same if it was Ehsan defending Katha

With Vian being involved in it she just got the rights to throw tantrums and stretch it further

2. She is a self centered person who doesn't care for his son's feelings

She is bothered by his happiness bcoz she is not a part of it or it is not shared with her.

But She is more than OK with the emotional burden his son goes through at the mention of his father.

She definitely takes Vian for for granted ,in her heart i m sure she knows her husband jaap bothers Vian but she does it anyways bcoz she knows Vian will never object to it ,she is playing mother+victim card here

Acc to me the most toxic relationship can arise between kids and parents

Yeah more than husband and wife

On lighter note why she is working for NGO supporting women she should focus on shaadi se nakush mard ka dark

Her NGO and her true character sends a message. She likes to be surrounded by those similar to her yet not as privileged so she can satisfy her vanity and ‘take care of them’ from a high moral standpoint. Same thing that Ehsan wants to do with Viaan. They are really selfish but they want to put out a nice image being friendly till they are not. She can’t see Viaan have his own kind because Viaan has brought himself low and quiet in everything just so that she never hurts. But she never appreciated it and listens to his feelings. Same for Ehsan. Viaan gave this man a part of his life by giving him friendship which is rare. But Ehsan is threatened that others including Katha can appreciate Viaan even without trying, that he is more than the grumpy person he describes and that Viaan is developing his own mind. They are both terrible people inside. I prefer Reet because at least she doesn’t pretend what she is not.

Originally posted by: Paulaonohi

Her NGO and her true character sends a message. She likes to be surrounded by those similar to her yet not as privileged so she can satisfy her vanity and ‘take care of them’ from a high moral standpoint. Same thing that Ehsan wants to do with Viaan. They are really selfish but they want to put out a nice image being friendly till they are not. She can’t see Viaan have his own kind because Viaan has brought himself low and quiet in everything just so that she never hurts. But she never appreciated it and listens to his feelings. Same for Ehsan. Viaan gave this man a part of his life by giving him friendship which is rare. But Ehsan is threatened that others including Katha can appreciate Viaan even without trying, that he is more than the grumpy person he describes and that Viaan is developing his own mind. They are both terrible people inside. I prefer Reet because at least she doesn’t pretend what she is not.

Originally posted by: Paulaonohi

Her NGO and her true character sends a message. She likes to be surrounded by those similar to her yet not as privileged so she can satisfy her vanity and ‘take care of them’ from a high moral standpoint. Same thing that Ehsan wants to do with Viaan. They are really selfish but they want to put out a nice image being friendly till they are not. She can’t see Viaan have his own kind because Viaan has brought himself low and quiet in everything just so that she never hurts. But she never appreciated it and listens to his feelings. Same for Ehsan. Viaan gave this man a part of his life by giving him friendship which is rare. But Ehsan is threatened that others including Katha can appreciate Viaan even without trying, that he is more than the grumpy person he describes and that Viaan is developing his own mind. They are both terrible people inside. I prefer Reet because at least she doesn’t pretend what she is not.

same! at least she is in your face antagonistic and she actually cares for her kids, her husband and family even if she drives them a bit cuckoo with her insecurity at times.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

exactly! I can't see a happy ending realistically. she is really mean and psycho. she can't even bear for viaan to get the spotlight in the AV for the work he has done. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I would love if viaan turned his back on her. I can see this happening in the original turkish dizi because they are far more ruthless and realistic that way but in ITV.....

She is coming across as mean and psycho to us.

But I think her character is written in a way where she is still in the delusion that her husband wasn’t at fault.

She still thinks it was the lady who did something and took him and he didn’t want to leave them and go.

Also I think Viaan also somehow couldn’t tell her about his feelings about his dad.

So for the first time when someone didn’t heed to her thought process, she thought of her as a threat to her world of bubble that she created, not heeding the fact that doing so actually made her son happy.

What I don't understand about Teji is that a few episodes ago she was light-heartedly teasing Viaan that when he falls in love he'll demonstrate that by taking his beloved's side over his mother's. And then when he does, she's suddenly shocked and traumatised by it 🤔

I mean, I do understand this, because she's a hypocrite and showing herself up to be very much in the mould of the usual contingent of ITV MILs. Teji doesn't yet know that Viaan is starting to have feelings for Katha but she must sense there's something there beyond a boss protecting his employee. Perhaps when she teased him about falling in love she expected him to do so with a pliable, malleable woman who would forever be second in his life to her. Clearly she wasn't expecting him to fall in love with a) a single mother, despite her oh-so-noble earlier thoughts about single mothers, and b) a woman who would openly 'defy' her, the primary woman in Viaan's life.

It's interesting to me that Teji's first thought about Katha is that she's one of 'those' single mothers who traps unsuspecting men and steals them away from their families - the irony is that Teji herself was a single mother (and presumably expects Katha to be like her and wallow in the memory of her first husband forever), whose husband was 'stolen' from her.

I think that just like Viaan is traumatised by what his father did, and his entire personality as an adult has been shaped by his childhood, Teji too is in trauma. She hasn't recovered from her husband leaving her, deprioritising her, so she relies on Viaan putting her above everyone and everything else, and refuses to acknowledge that he too has feelings (and strong ones, at that) about his father and his betrayal. She expects Viaan to run around her, fulfilling her every wish and desire, for the rest of his life, all the while berating him for "choosing" not to marry, as if him doing so wouldn't cause her to throw her toys out of the pram every time he prioritised a future wife instead of his mother. And the about-turn on Katha is clearly because she is a strong and independent woman who will not be afraid to speak her mind or say her piece, and won't be relegated into the background simply to stand around and watch the Teji-Viaan show.

It is fascinating, from a psychological point of view, to see how the effects of intense trauma play out in different people. This was the case with Ishwari as well, who people keep likening Teji to. She also had severe trauma from her past, which bled into her children's psyches and manifested in very different ways. It's all very interesting, except that ITV usually doesn't like to expound on this beyond the basic "they had a hard life, hence they act this way" trope, and no one seems willing to take it a step further and have the characters realise this flaw in themselves and take steps to rise above it. If they do in this show I will be very pleasantly surprised, but I expect they'll keep it at the level of "Teji thinks she's right but oh look she's actually the villain", which is usually more digestible for an audience.

Thanks for the great discussion topic, OP!

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

letha -- nightie mama continues to confuse me. I know that you and sneha asked if I would write on the conflict between this mother duo but frankly there is lot of jarring parts that make no sense to me at the moment. so rather than a seperate thread, just jotting some points here

#1 I was totally taken aback when nightie mama said that viaan had never fought with her. even when she yelled at ehsaan, he always kept quiet. that is so abnormal. what kind of parent child never have conflict? that too when the parent has something nasty to say about a friend. won't you try to defend your friendship? or say something? regardless of how close a parent and teenager are, there are bound to be hiccups. how can there be no fights???

#2 I joked in DT yesterday that being a bratty teenager is a blessing because your parents are not shocked that you have your own opinion and are fighting with you. here, the lack of transition to an adult child-parent relationship does not bode well for viaan and teji.

as I mentioned in part 1 of the conflict thread (for adi), there is a natural teething process when it comes to adult child-parent relationship. basically parent has to recognize their child is now an adult with their own opinon and feelings. for some reason, this hasn't happened here.

regardless of how he communicates later, she is going to blame it all on kathaa. she refuses to hear what he is saying because he has never challenged her on anything. she does not even realize he has his own opinion that might be contrary to hers

so it looks like nightie mama was the adolescent in the relationship where viaan was the parent for years together. he never got to express his opinion or true feeling about anything and kept it to himself.

#3 I am also wondering whether nightie mama was maybe depressed for a huge number of years. even ehsaan acted like he was worried and wanted to take her out. it didn't seem normal or the usual way one asks an elder out for dinner or lunch. instead, there was something odd about it -- it almost felt like ehsaan had to look out for teji or she is going to be sitting at home and freaking out or crying or something. while she seems normal now, am guessing she wasn't well for quite a few years and so everyone walked around eggshells around her -- no one wanted to upset her.

#4 teji is unbelievably blind and deaf. viaan clearly stated that the AV upset him because he does not want to be connected to his father. rather than talk about that, she continues to be in her own bubble where she is upset that viraj didn't get the spotlight. that is super strange to say the least. there are cases of women idolizing their husband or children to the point where they see no flaws but this is way too weird.

even now, viaan apparently kept apologizing to her but she hasn't accepted it. that is really strange. why hasn't she also apologized to how she hurt him? why is this one way street?

Viaan fears abandonment. His father left. His mother broke down in front of him. He became the parent in the relationship. Unfortunately, I don't feel that he had a choice for Teji is a very weak human being. She must have been emotionally manipulating Viaan throughout the years. Viaan is inherently good, and does not see his. He is simply fulfilling his duty as a son. It's crazy to finally understand Viaan's POV on women being gold-diggers. He has been brainwashed, and a false image of women has been created in his mind. But his inherent goodness made him realise his mistakes where Katha is concerned; also his observation skills helped.

Emotional blackmail bothers me a lot. I will not analyse Teji more than this but the future seems rocky for Kaviaan. Adi could leave his family for Katha but I doubt that Viaan can do the same. We are up for some interesting storylines.

I have to say this. Writers are confused about the characterisation of Ehsan, and fear making him outright negative. I do not understand the dynamics between Ehsan, Viaan, and their mothers. Are these people really close? Ehsan spiked Viaan's drink which is a relationship breaker for me but Viaan simply overlooked it. Viaan's relationships are so dysfunctional.