Who is more creepy? Viaan or Eshan - Page 2

Originally posted by: misfit007

To me, it's all about who Katha chooses in the end. Whoever she chooses is someone she seems worthy of herself and no one else can deny that to her.

This whole story isn't black and white. There is no simple good or evil in it. This is a fairly realistic (although adapted for drama) showing of the moral conflict we all face in our lives. Where people aren't paragons of virtue. They are normal people, who even as good people, can make mistakes that change your life beyond what you'd ever imagine.

Part of it is showing, even the best kind of people can do awful things and doing those awful things can weigh higher than all of their goodness. Similarly, you can be the worst sort of person but there is redemption as long as there is realization and change.

It's also about pride, trauma and helplessness against circumstances. How you react in moments of weakness, the path you choose when you're put on the spot, what you choose when you're backed against the wall or motivated by your desires.

People can commit a sin but even sins can be forgiven if there is regret and redemption, and forgiveness naturally comes from the person who has been wronged.

And if the person who was hurt by the sin chooses not to forgive and the person genuinely repents, changes themselves, and never repeats what he did wrong - it doesn't change or erase what he did - but they do become worthy of moving on and finding happiness for themselves.

This of course depends on the nature of the sin, whether there are legal ramifications of it, do they need to be punished under the law if there is a law deeming that sin as a crime. They have to pay their due one way or another. Nature sees to that.

Also, Not everything that's a sin is a crime. Viaan's offer may have been vile but Katha chose to accept it. Although, it may have been under duress that duress was unknown to Viaan. It's undeniable that people are willing to have ONS/ Sex with individuals for money or another favour, and not even as an escort or prostitute or under duress of some kind. You have to be naive to think this sort of stuff doesn't happen in the world. It does. People make deals, fulfill them and move on.

Viaan made a mistake in judging Katha wrongly. Katha in a desperate move made the mistake of lying on her profile which led to Viaan being misinformed. They both acted motivated by their past experience. Again, making it comes down to how one wrong move, one wrong decision when we're tested can topple our lives.

The point now is how they move on from this. Can they move on from this? Its not just about gaining forgiveness, it's also about forgiving themselves in someway and the latter applies to Katha as well.

As for Ehsan, he may have been a good person before but right now, he's choosing to be an awful friend. He's choosing to impose himself on someone's life without confirming whether she wants him or not. He's real character is shown when he's being tested by something he desires and isn't coming easily to him, where he has to fight for it.

Unlike Viaan, everything has come easy to Ehsaan until now. He hasn't had any kind of struggle or trauma. He's gotten everything on a platter with no real competition. It was all okay until Viaan wasn't getting in the way of what he desired and supporting him instead. His lack of sincerity and loyalty is showing.

Wow just wow!

The way you have summarised everything is awesome.

You have tried to put it through the lens of simply being a human with complex set of emotions, the changing circumstances and people react to it.

Its not viaan's fandom vs ehsan fandom and not about "my feminism is more white than your feminism"😆But its simply about two human being put through testing times and how they react, act then try to change or repent.

Originally posted by: misfit007

To me, it's all about who Katha chooses in the end. Whoever she chooses is someone she seems worthy of herself and no one else can deny that to her.

This whole story isn't black and white. There is no simple good or evil in it. This is a fairly realistic (although adapted for drama) showing of the moral conflict we all face in our lives. Where people aren't paragons of virtue. They are normal people, who even as good people, can make mistakes that change your life beyond what you'd ever imagine.

Part of it is showing, even the best kind of people can do awful things and doing those awful things can weigh higher than all of their goodness. Similarly, you can be the worst sort of person but there is redemption as long as there is realization and change.

It's also about pride, trauma and helplessness against circumstances. How you react in moments of weakness, the path you choose when you're put on the spot, what you choose when you're backed against the wall or motivated by your desires.

People can commit a sin but even sins can be forgiven if there is regret and redemption, and forgiveness naturally comes from the person who has been wronged.

And if the person who was hurt by the sin chooses not to forgive and the person genuinely repents, changes themselves, and never repeats what he did wrong - it doesn't change or erase what he did - but they do become worthy of moving on and finding happiness for themselves.

This of course depends on the nature of the sin, whether there are legal ramifications of it, do they need to be punished under the law if there is a law deeming that sin as a crime. They have to pay their due one way or another. Nature sees to that.

Also, Not everything that's a sin is a crime. Viaan's offer may have been vile but Katha chose to accept it. Although, it may have been under duress that duress was unknown to Viaan. It's undeniable that people are willing to have ONS/ Sex with individuals for money or another favour, and not even as an escort or prostitute or under duress of some kind. You have to be naive to think this sort of stuff doesn't happen in the world. It does. People make deals, fulfill them and move on.

Viaan made a mistake in judging Katha wrongly. Katha in a desperate move made the mistake of lying on her profile which led to Viaan being misinformed. They both acted motivated by their past experience. Again, making it comes down to how one wrong move, one wrong decision when we're tested can topple our lives.

The point now is how they move on from this. Can they move on from this? Its not just about gaining forgiveness, it's also about forgiving themselves in someway and the latter applies to Katha as well.

As for Ehsan, he may have been a good person before but right now, he's choosing to be an awful friend. He's choosing to impose himself on someone's life without confirming whether she wants him or not. He's real character is shown when he's being tested by something he desires and isn't coming easily to him, where he has to fight for it.

Unlike Viaan, everything has come easy to Ehsaan until now. He hasn't had any kind of struggle or trauma. He's gotten everything on a platter with no real competition. It was all okay until Viaan wasn't getting in the way of what he desired and supporting him instead. His lack of sincerity and loyalty is showing.

A boss coercing his employee to sleep with him by exploiting her undeniable, urgent need for money is a) rape b) workplace sexual harrassment c) 'simple evil'

He could a) simply deny her the loan if he thought she was a gold digger like a normal person or b) had an employee detail verification with the HR department before granting her the loan if at all (Police verification of employees, tenents is a thing lol).

Kathaa did not owe him a 'cure' for his misogyny (let alone the fact that trauma is not an excuse for an incel man's misogyny.)

Kathaa was not and is not his therapist and doesn't owe him forgiveness. If he's dying with guilt, he needs to deal with it on his own and not dump the onus on Kathaa.

The makers clearly have made every other eligible man around her 'creepy' to justify Viaan and Kathaa ending up together. To justify why Kathaa would choose him over literally billions of other men in the world. If Eshaan is obsessed with her, so is Viaan. Neither can leave her the fùck alone. She should, irl, sue both of them.

Consensual sex work and being forced to have sex to save someone's life are not the same thing jfc. They are not even comparable things.

In real life, no sane person would go near either Viaan or Ehsan. I have already had so many rants in terms of the current development in Ehsan's characterisation. I would just attribute it to laziness or the easy way out for the writers. Make Viaan look good while villainizing Ehsan.

Totally agree with you that Viaan should work on his issues on his own. No one else should be made responsible. It gives a wrong message to people. Viaan can be his own hero, and save himself. However, I am fine with Katha being the trigger to make him face all his issues.

You’re right it is impossible to argue that what Viaan did was right. He was totally wrong and as most have said he should have refused the loan and that be the end of it.

I do like the fact that Katha is not acting as a victim- whilst Viaan was coming across in the early days as mr hard done by victim.

There are some things in life that are irredeemable and I think this is one of them. Viaan should be looking to do the right thing because it’s right not because he feels bad. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes and making a choice is more important than asking for forgiveness afterwards.

Not sure that’s making sense - but as far as the story is concerned I’m yet to see yesterday and today’s episode.

Originally posted by: Niranjan256

for Fictions sake its all given liberty. Katha and Viaan will have their happily ever after

Bold- But in this post you have made a distinction of crime and sin. Forcing your employee to sleep with you with or without their consent is legally a crime. SC India has said coerced consent is also rape. So in this story there is crime, wrong and right. It’s easily distinguishable. Crimes are also committed by normal people not Aliens. Crimes are not forgiven. There’s a legal apparatus to deal with such issues. Also Katha simply lying in her resume to bag a job IS IN NO WAY same or quantifiable to Viaans exploiting her physically or mentally. Neither is it comparable to Ehsaan flirting with Katha. As far as Ehsaans flirting is concerned that also comes under harassment at workplace.

You have to be naive to think this sort of stuff doesn't happen in the world. It does. People make deals, fulfill them and move on-

I don’t think anybody cares about consenting adults having as many flings/ ONS or sex. It's their choice. It's not about naivety or morality. As far as I see the problem is Katha was forced into it. She had no other option but to take money from him. For Viaan there was no such compulsion. He wanted to sleep with an employee in his company and went through it.

I watch the show just to see Aditi tbh. But I understand what u r trying to say. For me, it's a crime. Each to their own✌🏽

It's hard to word what I meant to encompass everything, but we're on the same page.

I agree. It's a crime and I'm in no way equating Viaan and Katha's actions. There is a huge difference between the two.

My point I guess is, that in the story, is Katha's character pursuing it as a crime though? Even if it was a crime, that's not how they are treating it in the show. They are treating it as a sin. And how do you overcome what you consider to be a sin? Especially when you develop feelings for the person you've sinned against or who has sinned against you. You can also alternatively phrase it, as developing feelings for someone you've committed a crime against and one who committed a crime against you.

How can you move past that act itself? That is the dilemma here in this show, isn't it?

And in real life, not every crime is reported or dealt with as a crime, which of course isn't right but it happens. So again how does one move past it? We can't just keep debating about right and wrong without doing anything substantive about it. Many people aren't unable to take legal action but still have to deal with it. If that action isn't possible or the victim doesn't want to pursue it and the culprit wants to make amends, then how does one do it? How do you right the wrong? Repay it? Move on from it?

And the debate about the crime itself is extensive. You said crimes aren't forgiven but they are. Depends on the country and topic in question. They can be forgiven.

Also, the one thing that kept coming to my mind is a criminal mindset. There are different types of criminals classified in criminology. Repeat offenders versus one-time offenders. Certain situations work in tandem, intentionally or unintentionally, facilitating the crime. Removing any one of those factors can change the outcome and prevent the crime from happening at all. And it's unlikely the person in question would commit a crime under any other circumstance.

So yes Viaan committed a crime, and he should be punished for it, but in even the slightest different circumstances would he have committed it? If not then does this crime fall under situational or behavioural sort of thing? And I find figuring that out interesting because there is no one answer to that. It can fall either way depending on how you argue it. However, the key point is that punishment is different for both. And the idea of what might enough for someone like Katha is interesting to me. I don't think we'll get to see such depth in writing though.

Love Aditi's acting btw, i'm watching for her as well.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

A boss coercing his employee to sleep with him by exploiting her undeniable, urgent need for money is a) rape b) workplace sexual harrassment c) 'simple evil'

He could a) simply deny her the loan if he thought she was a gold digger like a normal person or b) had an employee detail verification with the HR department before granting her the loan if at all (Police verification of employees, tenents is a thing lol).

Kathaa did not owe him a 'cure' for his misogyny (let alone the fact that trauma is not an excuse for an incel man's misogyny.)

Kathaa was not and is not his therapist and doesn't owe him forgiveness. If he's dying with guilt, he needs to deal with it on his own and not dump the onus on Kathaa.

The makers clearly have made every other eligible man around her 'creepy' to justify Viaan and Kathaa ending up together. To justify why Kathaa would choose him over literally billions of other men in the world. If Eshaan is obsessed with her, so is Viaan. Neither can leave her the fùck alone. She should, irl, sue both of them.

Consensual sex work and being forced to have sex to save someone's life are not the same thing jfc. They are not even comparable things.

What viaan did cant be put by any definition of law into rape or workplace sexual harrasment. He didn't force himself on her. He didn't coerced her into it. He didn't blackmail or threatened her into it. He didn't warn of throwing her out of the job or deny promotion or make her leave any important assignment or stop her increment or something for sexual favour.

According to katha it was not free will but according to viaan, it was, because he didn't have any reason to think otherwise. It could have been called coercion only if Viaan knew her majburi. And what kind of sexual harrasment is this in which boss is in loss. Workplace sexual harrasment is when employee had to give sexual favour and in return she gets something from boss/company. Viaan didn't give company's money. He gave his personal money, he also said that to her. Basically he didn't use his position as boss in the company. He made an offer in personal capacity and she accepted it. No rapist would make an offer then give one crore also to the victim.

If katha had tried to sue viaan for this then she would have definitely lost. Because a) she herself made demand of one crore.

b) she had given her consent.

c) she asked him on msg about time and place, it means she had no second thought about it

d) she cant expect him to know her "majburi" because she had lied about her family background to get a job. An agreement is signed before entering a job. So technically viaan could have sued her or fired her for lying.

e) Yes she went to hotel room with her own free will. She was so shocked on her own circumstances. She shuddered when he came close and he said if she is not willing then she can go. He gave her a option but she took a deep breath and changed her demeanor into being confident about her decision. She confidently answered she has not come here to go without money.

d) she did collect money once the deed was done and never looked back.

e) People are giving all kind of names to whatever happened between kaviaan like rape, sexual harrasment, coercion etc. But its all from women's perspective. There is one more word which can loosely fit to it like prostitution. Why are we not calling it that because katha sold her body for cash. Now don't tell me she did it because of her majburi, because she had no other option. Because mostly majority of prostitutes start flesh trade because of some kind of majburi only.

But we have to make this as male vs female debate and how male was villain so we are not using any word which would degrade female's reputation. So we are not minding using those words which would degrade male's character.

If the tables were turned, would be still debating so much about it? If katha was at viaan's place and vice versa, we would be laughing at viaan's foolishness. But just because it has all come down to feminism vs chauvinism, we are all jumping with our "hard hitting" thoughts and totally neglecting the reality of world.

Tell me, in real world who would give someone one crore rupess even as loan without any guarantee, without knowing the reason for which that person wants the money, forget it, even after knowing the reason, nobody will give that much amount of money to anyone. Its a real, bitter world and it doesn't work in that way. Its always give and take here. There are no free meals. Katha's own relatives turned her down and how, by cursing her in most horrible way possible. Thats how people are in real world.

I am not defending viaan. He is not some judge to distribute character certificate to people. What he did was wrong morally, as simple as that. Yes he had messed up past and he doesn't have any right to judge people based on it and definitely not give them attitude because of it. But he is not a criminal, he is not some world's greatest paapi either.

Whatever happened between katha and viaan is very unique to their case. Its not rape, not workplace harrassment, not even ONS because it didn't result from casual flirting from both side. It was a deal, a mutually accepted transaction where both parties got something in return. Yes it was morally wrong and it did impact katha more because she is the one who was in dire need of funds and she had to fight dilemma of cheating her loving husband's memory and sleeping with another man or using her body to get cash. Thats why she is more hurt.

But viaan is also hurt. Its already established in the show that he is not someone who sleeps around with girls. He hated his father who slept with a prostitute and left his mother for that woman. He hated himself when he realized he had become like his father. And he apologized from his heart. The impact was so huge that it changed his life's principles, values, his thinking process. He made all the efforts not to impress katha but because was a changed man.

We all make mistakes, some small some terrible but the efforts we make to redeem ourselves, the repentance we go through, makes all the difference. So why cant we forgive viaan and sympathize with him? Because we would have definitely sympathize with katha if it was other way round.

Where is the option BOTH🤣🤣

Yes, Both are creepy. In real life, stay away from these two kinds of people for your own safety

As far as story is concerned, all the male characters are creepy. I have mentioned in another post that male characters in this show are making me question my own thoughts about men in real life. Viaan, Ehsan, PapaG, PapaR, even the Doctor. All look problematic in some or other way.

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

What viaan did cant be put by any definition of law into rape or workplace sexual harrasment. He didn't force himself on her. He didn't coerced her into it. He didn't blackmail or threatened her into it. He didn't warn of throwing her out of the job or deny promotion or make her leave any important assignment or stop her increment or something for sexual favour.

According to katha it was not free will but according to viaan, it was, because he didn't have any reason to think otherwise. It could have been called coercion only if Viaan knew her majburi. And what kind of sexual harrasment is this in which boss is in loss. Workplace sexual harrasment is when employee had to give sexual favour and in return she gets something from boss/company. Viaan didn't give company's money. He gave his personal money, he also said that to her. Basically he didn't use his position as boss in the company. He made an offer in personal capacity and she accepted it. No rapist would make an offer then give one crore also to the victim.

If katha had tried to sue viaan for this then she would have definitely lost. Because a) she herself made demand of one crore.

b) she had given her consent.

c) she asked him on msg about time and place, it means she had no second thought about it

d) she cant expect him to know her "majburi" because she had lied about her family background to get a job. An agreement is signed before entering a job. So technically viaan could have sued her or fired her for lying.

e) Yes she went to hotel room with her own free will. She was so shocked on her own circumstances. She shuddered when he came close and he said if she is not willing then she can go. He gave her a option but she took a deep breath and changed her demeanor into being confident about her decision. She confidently answered she has not come here to go without money.

d) she did collect money once the deed was done and never looked back.

e) People are giving all kind of names to whatever happened between kaviaan like rape, sexual harrasment, coercion etc. But its all from women's perspective. There is one more word which can loosely fit to it like prostitution. Why are we not calling it that because katha sold her body for cash. Now don't tell me she did it because of her majburi, because she had no other option. Because mostly majority of prostitutes start flesh trade because of some kind of majburi only.

But we have to make this as male vs female debate and how male was villain so we are not using any word which would degrade female's reputation. So we are not minding using those words which would degrade male's character.

If the tables were turned, would be still debating so much about it? If katha was at viaan's place and vice versa, we would be laughing at viaan's foolishness. But just because it has all come down to feminism vs chauvinism, we are all jumping with our "hard hitting" thoughts and totally neglecting the reality of world.

Tell me, in real world who would give someone one crore rupess even as loan without any guarantee, without knowing the reason for which that person wants the money, forget it, even after knowing the reason, nobody will give that much amount of money to anyone. Its a real, bitter world and it doesn't work in that way. Its always give and take here. There are no free meals. Katha's own relatives turned her down and how, by cursing her in most horrible way possible. Thats how people are in real world.

I am not defending viaan. He is not some judge to distribute character certificate to people. What he did was wrong morally, as simple as that. Yes he had messed up past and he doesn't have any right to judge people based on it and definitely not give them attitude because of it. But he is not a criminal, he is not some world's greatest paapi either.

Whatever happened between katha and viaan is very unique to their case. Its not rape, not workplace harrassment, not even ONS because it didn't result from casual flirting from both side. It was a deal, a mutually accepted transaction where both parties got something in return. Yes it was morally wrong and it did impact katha more because she is the one who was in dire need of funds and she had to fight dilemma of cheating her loving husband's memory and sleeping with another man or using her body to get cash. Thats why she is more hurt.

But viaan is also hurt. Its already established in the show that he is not someone who sleeps around with girls. He hated his father who slept with a prostitute and left his mother for that woman. He hated himself when he realized he had become like his father. And he apologized from his heart. The impact was so huge that it changed his life's principles, values, his thinking process. He made all the efforts not to impress katha but because was a changed man.

We all make mistakes, some small some terrible but the efforts we make to redeem ourselves, the repentance we go through, makes all the difference. So why cant we forgive viaan and sympathize with him? Because we would have definitely sympathize with katha if it was other way round.

She asked for a monetary loan which an employee is within the scope of the law to ask. The employer could a)approve her loan request b) deny her loan request. Asking for sex as a condition to fullfill a monetary need is a sexual offence. Would the employer have denied the loan if the employee had denied the sexual act? Yes? Then that's financial coercion according to law. I am apalled that women think that bosses can just negotiate sex every time an employee asks for something within their rights.

This was not a social or business contract. A sex worker (be it pòrnstars or regular sex workers) knows that they are willingly commodifying their sexual labour for money. They have sex, the patron gives them money. The contract is fullfilled, they walk away. (Even the directors or higher-ups of adult films cannot ask the actors to have sex with them.) The patron/employer doesn't try to alter their future financial opportunities with other prospective patrons like Viaan did.

Was sexual labour a part of Kathaa's job description? No. Did she offer sex enthusiastically? No. Heck, she kept flinching repeatedly. It is both rape and workplace sexual harrassment. We can enjoy this show without calling sexual abuse as a morally ambiguous matter. If Kathaa were the boss, it'd still be sexual abuse. And all the men in this world would have made arguements how all women are evil.

https://www.businessinsider.in/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-indias-workplace-sexual-harassment-laws/articleshow/66150653.cms

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Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

What viaan did cant be put by any definition of law into rape or workplace sexual harrasment. He didn't force himself on her. He didn't coerced her into it. He didn't blackmail or threatened her into it. He didn't warn of throwing her out of the job or deny promotion or make her leave any important assignment or stop her increment or something for sexual favour.

According to katha it was not free will but according to viaan, it was, because he didn't have any reason to think otherwise. It could have been called coercion only if Viaan knew her majburi. And what kind of sexual harrasment is this in which boss is in loss. Workplace sexual harrasment is when employee had to give sexual favour and in return she gets something from boss/company. Viaan didn't give company's money. He gave his personal money, he also said that to her. Basically he didn't use his position as boss in the company. He made an offer in personal capacity and she accepted it. No rapist would make an offer then give one crore also to the victim.

If katha had tried to sue viaan for this then she would have definitely lost. Because a) she herself made demand of one crore.

b) she had given her consent.

c) she asked him on msg about time and place, it means she had no second thought about it

d) she cant expect him to know her "majburi" because she had lied about her family background to get a job. An agreement is signed before entering a job. So technically viaan could have sued her or fired her for lying.

e) Yes she went to hotel room with her own free will. She was so shocked on her own circumstances. She shuddered when he came close and he said if she is not willing then she can go. He gave her a option but she took a deep breath and changed her demeanor into being confident about her decision. She confidently answered she has not come here to go without money.

d) she did collect money once the deed was done and never looked back.

e) People are giving all kind of names to whatever happened between kaviaan like rape, sexual harrasment, coercion etc. But its all from women's perspective. There is one more word which can loosely fit to it like prostitution. Why are we not calling it that because katha sold her body for cash. Now don't tell me she did it because of her majburi, because she had no other option. Because mostly majority of prostitutes start flesh trade because of some kind of majburi only.

But we have to make this as male vs female debate and how male was villain so we are not using any word which would degrade female's reputation. So we are not minding using those words which would degrade male's character.

If the tables were turned, would be still debating so much about it? If katha was at viaan's place and vice versa, we would be laughing at viaan's foolishness. But just because it has all come down to feminism vs chauvinism, we are all jumping with our "hard hitting" thoughts and totally neglecting the reality of world.

Tell me, in real world who would give someone one crore rupess even as loan without any guarantee, without knowing the reason for which that person wants the money, forget it, even after knowing the reason, nobody will give that much amount of money to anyone. Its a real, bitter world and it doesn't work in that way. Its always give and take here. There are no free meals. Katha's own relatives turned her down and how, by cursing her in most horrible way possible. Thats how people are in real world.

I am not defending viaan. He is not some judge to distribute character certificate to people. What he did was wrong morally, as simple as that. Yes he had messed up past and he doesn't have any right to judge people based on it and definitely not give them attitude because of it. But he is not a criminal, he is not some world's greatest paapi either.

Whatever happened between katha and viaan is very unique to their case. Its not rape, not workplace harrassment, not even ONS because it didn't result from casual flirting from both side. It was a deal, a mutually accepted transaction where both parties got something in return. Yes it was morally wrong and it did impact katha more because she is the one who was in dire need of funds and she had to fight dilemma of cheating her loving husband's memory and sleeping with another man or using her body to get cash. Thats why she is more hurt.

But viaan is also hurt. Its already established in the show that he is not someone who sleeps around with girls. He hated his father who slept with a prostitute and left his mother for that woman. He hated himself when he realized he had become like his father. And he apologized from his heart. The impact was so huge that it changed his life's principles, values, his thinking process. He made all the efforts not to impress katha but because was a changed man.

We all make mistakes, some small some terrible but the efforts we make to redeem ourselves, the repentance we go through, makes all the difference. So why cant we forgive viaan and sympathize with him? Because we would have definitely sympathize with katha if it was other way round.

wrt to show even if Katha denied the offer it would come under sexual harassment because he demanded her to spent a night. I think even in the show they acknowledged and address it as sexual harassment. They did also talk about anti harassment cell though it was just lip service

There has to be limits wrt to Employee- Employer relationship. Even if Katha and Viaans role was reversed a boss can never have the rights to demand sexual favours from an employee. Even if it was for the nonsense test how difficult would it be for the person to continue working in the same office after knowing the boss wants to sleep with them? How’s work place going to be a safe environment. Viaan could have simply refused the loan. The minute he demanded her to spent a night with him it became sexual harassment at least for me

Ultimately Katha is going to end up with Viaan. So I don’t think any of this matters😂

Originally posted by: Deltablues

She asked for a monetary loan which an employee is within the scope of the law to ask. The employer could a)approve her loan request b) deny her loan request. Asking for sex as a condition to fullfill a monetary need is a sexual offence. Would the employer have denied the loan if the employee had denied the sexual act? Yes? Then that's financial coercion according to law. I am apalled that women think that bosses can just negotiate sex every time an employee asks for something within their rights.

This was not a social or business contract. A sex worker (be it pòrnstars or regular sex workers) knows that they are willingly commodifying their sexual labour for money. They have sex, the patron gives them money. The contract is fullfilled, they walk away. (Even the directors or higher-ups of adult films cannot ask the actors to have sex with them.) The patron/employer doesn't try to alter their future financial opportunities with other prospective patrons like Viaan did.

Was sexual labour a part of Kathaa's job description? No. Did she offer sex enthusiastically? No. Heck, she kept flinching repeatedly. It is both rape and workplace sexual harrassment. We can enjoy this show without calling sexual abuse as a morally ambiguous matter. If Kathaa were the boss, it'd still be sexual abuse. And all the men in this world would have made arguements how all women are evil.

https://www.businessinsider.in/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-indias-workplace-sexual-harassment-laws/articleshow/66150653.cms

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Thanks for the reference of indian law. But please look at the bold part I have highlighted.

First of all, it was not within her rights to ask for loan. She had asked it from jeetu bhai earlier and he clearly told her that there are no such policy of giving loans to new employees.

Your answer lies in your words only.

Viaan followed option b) and denied the loan. He clearly said company has no policy for giving such kind of personal loans to employees.

So its not workplace harassment.

Then he said, company has no such policy but I can give the money to you personally. He didnt act in capacity of boss that time. He gave his personal money. So its personal deal between two consenting adults not some work place harassment.

He also clearly said that if your answer is no then its totally fine by me. Forget that I ever asked something like this. It will have no effect on your job. Then how it can be called as harassment?

Again see the highlight part in pink. Isnt this actually happened between them. Katha knew what she was getting herself into. She did it and got the money. Contract fulfilled.

@blue I think i remember the episode pretty well and I dont think viaan threatened something like that or did something like that.

@green I am sure every first timer sex worker or even a virgin girl wont do it enthusiastically but the thing is they decide to stay in it, they go through it and complete it. Katha hesitated first and viaan gave option to back out but then she very confidently replied that she hasn't come her to go. What would you make out of it? Not enthusiastically but she did it in her right mind without any coercion.