Pathaan - discussion (with spoilers) - Page 29

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

The thing is, the Indian government does not negotiate with terrorists ...

Jim didn't plan any attack against India until he got hired. 😆 He was presumed dead for many years, still he did nothing until the ISI hired him.

I'll only comment on these (the other points are your perception and I won't discuss that).

It weren't terrorists that demanded the ransom...Jim and his wife were captured by PIRATES and it were those pirates who wanted to negotiate (probably on behalf of the terrorist group, Jim had fighted against before enjoying some quality time with his wife).

We get to know that intel caught other knowledge as yours, Heisenberg. In any way, Jim doesn't shy away to also do a terror act in the country in which he has been born, educated and worked as a RAW agent. He declares himself being a man without a country.

Also Jim has repeatedly said he aint enemy of India or any nation for that matter..he stopped believing in those man made boundaries coz for him all these tags are mere tools for power

Originally posted by: EXOL

Nope, if that's what you got from the scene then you got it totally wrong. He went to Spain exclusively to track her down and you really think he followed her coz she was in bikini lmao..come on we cant be that dense now...he followed her knowingly to get more info on her coz you need to mingle with people to extract info ...that exactly was his intention ..he was playing into her game ..ofc jim was surprise for him..thats why this scene was even more thrilling to watch atleast for me..

Also as far as I remember, Rubai had recently started working with Jim and in the movie no where it is shown she was part of those acts . So it is safe to assume considering she cares about humanity unlike Jim , she wasnt part of it. And why she joined Outfit x.?? ...may be to get more close to get details on raktbeej...it is not shown in depth ...

I guess I have to watch the movie again to recollect some of the things ..

There was zero interaction between them except singing and dancing 😆she seductively lures him, and he blindly follows her without any plan or thought whatsoever, without a care in the world about any consequences, not what you'd expect from a spy, at least not an intelligent one. So yeh, it does look like he got turned on and thought he'd get lucky, cause that's what his behaviour looked like. 😆

It doesn't matter whether she was involved in those attacks, she still joined a terrorist organisation, who are not exactly doing charity work. She knows Jim is a bad guy, and still she stole the virus for him, only to be surprised that he's got bad intentions. 😆

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

There was zero interaction between them except singing and dancing 😆she seductively lures him, and he blindly follows her without any plan or thought whatsoever, without a care in the world about any consequences, not what you'd expect from a spy, at least not an intelligent one. So yeh, it does look like he got turned on and thought he'd get lucky, cause that's what his behaviour looked like. 😆

It doesn't matter whether she was involved into those attacks, she still joined a terrorist organisation, who are not exactly doing charity work. She knows Jim is a bad guy, and still she stole the virus for him, only to be surprised that he's got bad intentions. 😆

Ullu bnaya bhi to kaise.. ISI Agent asks RAW Agent hand me the most dangerous weapon. RAW Agent despite knowing her history and without giving it a thought goes haan Ye lo Meri k k k k Kiran.. what intelligence 👏

Originally posted by: EXOL

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Also as far as I remember, Rubai had recently started working with Jim and in the movie no where it is shown she was part of those acts . So it is safe to assume considering she cares about humanity unlike Jim , she wasnt part of it. And why she joined Outfit x.?? ...may be to get more close to get details on raktbeej...it is not shown in depth ...

Yes, she seems to have joined Jim's group after he had taken the colonel's assignment. The first sign of her most probably being a member of Outfit X was that she received money for this group on her account. Pathaan is sent to spy on her (in Spain).

Jim certainly has recognized Pathaan (if I remember right, they had known each other from RAW) and made the plan with Rubina (Rubai) to trap him, to use him and get rid of him after the Raktbeej theft leaving him to be punished/killed by the Russians. Rubai definitely doesn't work for the ISI anymore. She also has left Pakistan.

She later dissociated herself from Outfit X after having got to know the nature and atrocity of Jim's terror act and tried to attract Pathaan's (JOCR's) attention..

Originally posted by: wat_up

I think lots was going on in the movie. I like twists and turns but I thought some points were confusing. I like movies like race1 and drishiyam2 ( remember how we discussed things) those movies the twists n suspense seemed logical.

I think the leaps in time (forward/backward) made the storyline confusing...Drishyam story war more linear.

And yes, there are loopholes in the Pathaan story...although...this is rather something typical for an over-the-top action movie.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

There was zero interaction between them except singing and dancing 😆she seductively lures him, and he blindly follows her without any plan or thought whatsoever, without a care in the world about any consequences, not what you'd expect from a spy, at least not an intelligent one. So yeh, it does look like he got turned on and thought he'd get lucky, cause that's what his behaviour looked like. 😆

It doesn't matter whether she was involved in those attacks, she still joined a terrorist organisation, who are not exactly doing charity work. She knows Jim is a bad guy, and still she stole the virus for him, only to be surprised that he's got bad intentions. 😆

The first paragraph simply underlines YOUR perception of the situation...you THINK it is like you write (a rather superficial perception, imo)

The second paragraph only underlines that the movie doesn't tell us exactly why she left ISI, why she was with Jim (maybe Jim was her lover???), how long she was with him, if she did know about the nature of his organisation or only thought of him as a thief (or someone who gets difficult jobs done)...So again, YOUR thoughts are only assumptions, nothing less, nothing more.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

There was zero interaction between them except singing and dancing 😆she seductively lures him, and he blindly follows her without any plan or thought whatsoever, without a care in the world about any consequences, not what you'd expect from a spy, at least not an intelligent one. So yeh, it does look like he got turned on and thought he'd get lucky, cause that's what his behaviour looked like. 😆

It doesn't matter whether she was involved in those attacks, she still joined a terrorist organisation, who are not exactly doing charity work. She knows Jim is a bad guy, and still she stole the virus for him, only to be surprised that he's got bad intentions. 😆

Why does he need to interact before when the sole purpose of his visit was to get intel on her.....as I said earlier she was seducing and he was playing into it knowingly...

also even if she wasn't wearing bikini or singing a song he would have still went after her duh 😆

about rubai n outfit x ... well sometimes you join bad organization to get info on them ..I dint care to use my brain beyond that especially for a spy action entertainer movie..hopefully u will get your answer in a prequel or a sequel 😆

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Ullu bnaya bhi to kaise.. ISI Agent asks RAW Agent hand me the most dangerous weapon. RAW Agent despite knowing her history and without giving it a thought goes haan Ye lo Meri k k k k Kiran.. what intelligence 👏

Zeal, stop it...you don't know the movie! It has zero value what you just wrote.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Zeal, stop it...you don't know the movie! It has zero value what you just wrote.

So Srk doesn't handover raktbeej to Deepika?