IFFI jury calls The Kashmir Files a propaganda movie - Page 6

Thing is people after watching Kashmir Files movie didn't ask for rehabilitation or justice for Kashmiri Pandits. They bayed for the blood of Muslims and called for boycott of Muslims as seen in the clips of vile slogans raised in theaters during it's screening. Could be a reason behind IFFI head's statement.

Originally posted by: Clochette

HMR, I've no difficulties to understand your point of view and terrorists have to been called out.

Terrorists belong to the worst group of criminals, but they kill people regardless the religion they have (not follow as Islam e.g. isn't a violent religion if not misused). There are "religious" camps in Pakistan where young Afghans are sent to get "educated" to be terrorists. And then, there were (still are?) groups like IRA and Extremists in South America (and so on). During the civil war in former Jugoslavia there were attemps of genocide, too. So yes, it's ALWAYS atrocities done by humans against humans...you just have to change the names and places (and sometimes motivation).

blue-ice, I agree that the outcome of the movie wasn't to give any JUSTICE to the Kashmiri Pandits (but it gave a lot of money to Agnihotri and a lot more hate towards Indian muslims). At least I did not got aware of any relocation or restoring of financial or territorial loss...

Actually, whatever I read about what happened to the Kashmiri Pandits, there is more behind that as "only" terrorists.

1. Islamic terrorists are killing IN THE NAME OF religion. It's not just an element of their identity. Whether or not they might have been criminals otherwise is simply speculation. Right now, they're doing it in the name of Islam.

Just like IRA bombed diff neighborhoods in the name of Irish independence.

Also, you just called them IRA and Yugoslavians. No one here will tell you that makes them want to go and bomb Dublin or Boston.

What is the hesitation in calling Islamic terrorism out for what it is?

Naming the enemy is important.

Not naming them is a way to obfuscate the issue as just another run of the mill crime.

2. Humans against humans is technically correct. Just like it is correct to call it that when a group of criminals rapes an infant (actually happened). Somehow, I doubt anyone will limit themselves to call that particular crime merely humans against humans.

3. I don't give a damn what nuance the terrorists thought they had in their minds. They committed mass murder.

@Clochette, was 9/11 nuanced? Does bin Laden deserve a nuanced view on the murder of 3K+ Americans? Was there nuance to Jewish Holocaust? Was there merit to the arguments of Hitler?

Who is this lol .Hindu phobia . Now where is humanity organisations .truth is Hindu genocide n exodus happened . Kashmir files film just touched d tip of truth n world is shaken n trying to silence with their agendas n fake narratives . Accept it r not , truth is truth n more films on Hindu genocide n exodus truth must be made .zero tolerance to terrorism . go away evil .

Sorry, HMR, but I get the impression that you mix a view on a certain movie with a more general view I also expressed.

Yes, one has to give a name to the enemy...it's the first step to fight him...but even THAT gets misused by people with a certain agenda.

I made a generalization with the term "humans" by stating that you can give the respective name. But I see that you misunderstood, why exactly I used an universal term.

Terrorists are terrorists whatever adjective you join...

Yes again..."1)" they kill in the name of their religion (so did other religions before them) but that is either a lie or indoctrination/manipulation or misled belief

Nuance is very well possible in the 4 examples you named, only again you misunderstood...it is not the question to excuse those who did the crime/ the atrocity as such but

-look at what lead to the event or

-to not generalise or

-to look what could have be done to prevent something and wasn't done or -to value the resistance etc.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Sorry, HMR, but I get the impression that you mix a view on a certain movie with a more general view I also expressed.

Yes, one has to give a name to the enemy...it's the first step to fight him...but even THAT gets misused by people with a certain agenda.

I made a generalization with the term "humans" by stating that you can give the respective name. But I see that you misunderstood, why exactly I used an universal term.

Terrorists are terrorists whatever adjective you join...

Yes again..."1)" they kill in the name of their religion (so did other religions before them) but that is either a lie or indoctrination/manipulation or misled belief

Nuance is very well possible in the 4 examples you named, only again you misunderstood...it is not the question to excuse those who did the crime/ the atrocity as such but

-look at what lead to the event or

-to not generalise or

-to look what could have be done to prevent something and wasn't done or -to value the resistance etc.

This here is the problem.

Liberals - and I used to be one - like to generalize in the other direction and claim it is all peaceful. It is not. There are definitely Muslims who operate in the modern world. They were silent during the Kashmir Pandit genocide. They still are. Or worse, they object to any mention of it because it might get their community attacked.

Huh? So silence when another community is slaughtered en masse and vocal when it is called out?

Other religions have used terrorism before. But this is now 2022. And it's high time Stone Age interpretations of any religion get dragged to current year. This includes Islam. And that change can happen only from the inside.

The impetus for that change will never come unless the problem get called out again and again and again.

2. Look at what led to it: where does it end? Can we go back all the way to the invasion of India by Central Asians? Because that's where the problem started. That's what some of the right wing extremists do.

So what's the solution if you go back to beginning? Expel all Muslims? Convert forcibly?

Since neither is a humane idea, how about we deal with the here and now?

Law is law for everyone. You kill; you pay the price. You support killing; you pay the price as accessory. You protect terrorists; you pay the price. I don't care what sob story you have in your repertoire. I don't care if you got bullied in school. You committed a crime; you pay for it.

Equal treatment of everyone. That's the one and only way to achieve equality. Anything else is just 'soft bigotry of low expectations' and victim blaming.

No, there is absolutely no nuance in what bin Laden did. This is coming from someone who watched people leap to their death from the Twin Towers. The smell of burned flesh hung over New York City for weeks. I will not forget or forgive.

ISIS & HTS in Syria

Boko Haram in Nigeria

Persecution of Bah'ai people in Iran & Egypt

Persecution of Hindu & Sikhs in Pakistan

KP Exodus in Kashmir

Taliban in Afghainstan

Just some of the worst religious Persecutions that have happened/have been happening in the past couple of decades. Radical Islam is a real thing & you just can't close your eyes to it anymore because "Feelings". Radicals/Extremists exist in every religion. They've just become way too powerful in Islam and taken over all institutions almost to become synonymous with the religion itself. If anything the world should learn from this & make sure the radical elements in their own religion are crushed before becoming too powerful.

As for the film, it's the truth with some cinematic liberty taken. The propaganda isn't the film but the political narrative accompanying it. For example, the Exodus happened when Kashmir was under the Presidents rule. VP Singh of Janata Dal was the PM along with its ally BJP.

Spirituality over Religion. You can literally close your eyes and connect with God. What do you even need religion for?

As a wise man once said, Religion today is just something to keep the peasants fighting among each other!

Well, HMR, you just don't seem to get the meaning of my written words, what I'm expressing (if I go with your response/reaction). Where did I ever excuse wrongdoings/crimes/atricities? Nowhere.

I even agreed with most of what you wrote about terrorists and their deeds.

I did not want to look back til the "stone age", I also believe in changing things now and in future but, sincerely, does mankind REALLY learn from the past? Maybe there is a "ghost in our machine" (a book by Arthur Koestler).

involving "nuances" when pondering about something is avoiding to see something black-white. When human beings are involved there is no black-white unless one paints it in such a way. But that has nothing to do with excusing the perpetrators and blaming the victims.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Ab yeh qtiya kaun hai? Take your opinion and shove it where it deserves.

Hilarious thing is Indian LeLis are Israeli fan today. 🤣

World pseudos got hit by truth 🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaFRvwqy0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BnXsXPtWXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUt-Ncdff50

Hello newbie Awargee, why are you so angry? Come on, tell me.

I dont understand peoples thinking---Change the religion 👎🏼👎🏼--WHY

People are born to certain family and you follow it all ur life --they luv there parents and siblings---and some cruel come and ask to change religion.....

You are interfering in Gods plan👎🏼its actually inhuman, against god