Why Krishna sided with Arjun?? - Page 4

Originally posted by: metacrisis

I'd be thrilled if this were folklore, but unfortunately, this part is actually in the epic. You know one of those times you just cannot fathom what the guy was thinking...desperate times, desperate measures, I guess? 😭

last I found Uttarkhand added after the ending of Valmiki Ramayan ...there some shlok can't justify n even if desperate times desperate measures there is we r talking about Lord Krishna who can do anything but never play or give any woman like that...

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

epic can be altered and interpreted anything can happen

last I found Uttarkhand added after the ending of Valmiki Ramayan ...there some shlok can't justify n even if desperate times desperate measures there is we r talking about Lord Krishna who can do anything but never play or give any woman like that...

Yup, that's the only consolation we can have here. Most of what we now see as Mahabharat, was added somewhere along the way. I heard Jaya started out with 8000 shlokas and ended up as the 200,000 shloka MB.

As far as morality is concerned, I don't think Krishna was too bothered about that. I mean, he was a progressive man for his time, but definitely not up to the 2022 standard. Also, Krishna didn't own Draupadi, so there was no question of him giving her away. I think he was just throwing random options at that point to see what might work with Karna. 😵

Originally posted by: metacrisis

Yup, that's the only consolation we can have here. Most of what we now see as Mahabharat, was added somewhere along the way. I heard Jaya started out with 8000 shlokas and ended up as the 200,000 shloka MB.

As far as morality is concerned, I don't think Krishna was too bothered about that. I mean, he was a progressive man for his time, but definitely not up to the 2022 standard. Also, Krishna didn't own Draupadi, so there was no question of him giving her away. I think he was just throwing random options at that point to see what might work with Karna. 😵

underline the point is here along with he will not do..he can take the test of anyone but not with woman's honor....

he is the man who protects her...he knows what is Karna who is he ?

who is Draupadi n what is her purpose ,Jagadeeshawar know the future then this nt possible

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

Pro , morality, immorality or how progressive r less imp here right now....like u said there r some misconceptions u know.

underline the point is here along with he will not do..he can take the test of anyone but not with woman's honor....

he is the man who protects her...he knows what is Karna who is he ?

who is Draupadi n what is her purpose ,Jagadeeshawar know the future then this nt possible

Okay, I guess I am looking at it considering Krishna a human, and you as a god. I am personally just more enamoured with the human version than the god, I mean, what is the point of an avatar if he does not indulge in all the fallacies a human might have, which include mistakes, and missed judgement calls? It's more fun not knowing. He is god when he chooses to be, but in all other times, he is perfectly human. That's just how I like him personally, but obviously, I'd also prefer if this incident is just somebody's typo in the middle.

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

Pro , morality, immorality or how progressive r less imp here right now....like u said there r some misconceptions u know.

underline the point is here along with he will not do..he can take the test of anyone but not with woman's honor....

he is the man who protects her...he knows what is Karna who is he ?

who is Draupadi n what is her purpose ,Jagadeeshawar know the future then this nt possible

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And let’s suppose for a moment he did that then what was the purpose? Like you said pro that Karna was an insecure guy and if Draupadi was already Pandavas’ wife then it would not give him legitimacy he was seeking from everyone. I think every deal has a purpose behind it. And moreover if we are taking him as a jealous and insecure guy then after siding with Duryodhan he already got what he wanted his whole life, people wants a friend like him and he gets all the sympathy he ever could get by just one act.

I don’t know if the deal part was added later or not but it doesn’t make sense. Karna might be a jealous and insecure person but I have read and heard that he was a good king and that would only happen if you are a good politician and if he was a good politician then getting Draupadi would destroy his image.

And even if we ignore the all knowing part of Krishna then also we would have to accept that he was a good politician and strategist and he would not make any move which could destroy Pandavas’ image cause at the end of the day the war was fought in Yudhisthir’s name and it was a direct harm to his image if gets karna’s support for Draupadi. Who would ever want a king like him then? People neglected the staking but it was impossible to neglect this type of deal. Who would ever respect a king who offers his wife for throne?? As diplomat and strategist Krishna would never make this mistake.

Originally posted by: metacrisis

^Krishna loved Drau like a sister, but only not as much as he loved Arjun.

But, Krishna cried for Draupadi's insult in Royal court, and he told Rukmini that he would take strict action against those responsible. They all will die one day fort his crime, he said.

Draupadi is the chief consort of the Pandavas and the empress of Indraprastha. Hence she is a prime target of the Kauravas, a player whom they have to demoralise, demean and humiliate to break her. One can see that Draupadi is the main reason the plot moves forward. The swayamvara which reveals the Pandavas are not dead, or the atrocities committed against her during the game of dice or by Kichaka in the last year i.e. Agyatvaas of their 13-year exile.

If you break Draupadi’s will, the morale of the mighty Pandavas will also be broken and for Krishna, the Pandavas are his warriors of fate, the soldiers of truth, the establishes of Dharma. In our ancient epics, when Rakshasas and Asuras ravaged the Earth, she was depicted as an injured woman or cow who bore the marks of atrocities and went running to the Trimurti especially Lord Vishnu for aid. But Draupadi doesn’t do that. She stands her ground and curses all those who wronged her, and because she bears the marks of atrocities also, she is shown to be the woman wronged, the victim and the redeemer all in one. She is bound to command greater attention from Krishna than his own sister. And all this is apart from their friendship.

Originally posted by: Rani_Sahiba

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And let’s suppose for a moment he did that then what was the purpose? Like you said pro that Karna was an insecure guy and if Draupadi was already Pandavas’ wife then it would not give him legitimacy he was seeking from everyone. I think every deal has a purpose behind it. And moreover if we are taking him as a jealous and insecure guy then after siding with Duryodhan he already got what he wanted his whole life, people wants a friend like him and he gets all the sympathy he ever could get by just one act.

Krishna's argument was that by coming over to their side, Karna would become one of the Pandavas, and because Drau is married not to the individual brother, but ALL sons of Pandu. This is kind of a wacky logic, but it worked back then. Drau here is more of a package deal, not like Krishna screaming yeh lo Draupadi alag se.

(They explained it here: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05140.htm)

About Karna getting what he wanted, did he really? He got one kingdom (but as a lackey/samanta, not a full-fledged independent king), but who let him forget his father was a charioteer? Karna was grateful to Dury, but he also abandoned the Kauravas several times mid-battle (before Kurukshetra).

I don’t know if the deal part was added later or not but it doesn’t make sense. Karna might be a jealous and insecure person but I have read and heard that he was a good king and that would only happen if you are a good politician and if he was a good politician then getting Draupadi would destroy his image.

Drau was still the most desirable woman in the country. Jayadrath and Kichaka both tried to get her to marry them despite knowing she was married. In fact, Karna could leverage Panchala's power as well if he got Drau.

One thing to note here, these intricacies, like how the deal happened, would be confined to the elite class only (we know these things because Vyasa was part of that group). Outside of that, most people would not have an idea of what just happened. They didn't even have newspapers...how would they know?

And even if we ignore the all knowing part of Krishna then also we would have to accept that he was a good politician and strategist and he would not make any move which could destroy Pandavas’ image cause at the end of the day the war was fought in Yudhisthir’s name and it was a direct harm to his image if gets karna’s support for Draupadi. Who would ever want a king like him then? People neglected the staking but it was impossible to neglect this type of deal. Who would ever respect a king who offers his wife for throne?? As diplomat and strategist Krishna would never make this mistake.

Personally, I feel Krishna wasn't looking at the whole picture at that moment. He only wanted to stop the war, and get Arjun as far away as possible, without Arjun being the one to abandon ship (hence, Bhagavat Geeta). Again, this is my personal interpretation.

There is a lot up for interpretation since Vyasa doesn't give us the characters' internal thoughts often.

Also, if Karna came over to their side, Krishna said he would make Karna the King and Yudi would become his viceroy.

Again, if this deal was successful, the Ps only would launch huge propaganda and make sure Draupadi smiled for the paparazzi. People's approval is never an issue for rich people.

Krishna could also be trying to break Karna's resolve. He is deliberately painting a picture where Karna's whole family comes together, he is respected by everyone, and has his dream girl blah, blah blah. Just to make sure Karna knows what he could've got if only he was a bit kinder to everyone around him.

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Arjun was chosen by Krishna to be his dearest friend and disciple. In the great epic, on several occasions, Krishna reveals his great and eternal love for Arjun. Krishna states that no one in the world is dearer to him than Arjun and that there is nothing in the world that he wouldn't give his friend.

But, Krishna cried for Draupadi's insult in Royal court, and he told Rukmini that he would take strict action against those responsible. They all will die one day fort his crime, he said.

Draupadi is the chief consort of the Pandavas and the empress of Indraprastha. Hence she is a prime target of the Kauravas, a player whom they have to demoralise, demean and humiliate to break her. One can see that Draupadi is the main reason the plot moves forward. The swayamvara which reveals the Pandavas are not dead, or the atrocities committed against her during the game of dice or by Kichaka in the last year i.e. Agyatvaas of their 13-year exile.

If you break Draupadi’s will, the morale of the mighty Pandavas will also be broken and for Krishna, the Pandavas are his warriors of fate, the soldiers of truth, the establishes of Dharma. In our ancient epics, when Rakshasas and Asuras ravaged the Earth, she was depicted as an injured woman or cow who bore the marks of atrocities and went running to the Trimurti especially Lord Vishnu for aid. But Draupadi doesn’t do that. She stands her ground and curses all those who wronged her, and because she bears the marks of atrocities also, she is shown to be the woman wronged, the victim and the redeemer all in one. She is bound to command greater attention from Krishna than his own sister. And all this is apart from their friendship.

@bold then one more question, why did Krishna said in geeta that no one in this world is dear to him and there is no one whom he dislikes. All creatures are equal before him.

Originally posted by: metacrisis

Bro, this is blowing up my mind🤯

But for my sanity I am going to assume this was not the part of the original MB and was added later like people say uttara Ramayan is not the original Ramayan😅

And you are right about Draupadi being a common wife logic is weird, even though she was common wife, she had her own individuality and Krishna stooping this low just for Arjun’s betterment like Madhu di mentioned Krishna said he would do anything for Arjun is so unsettling.

Firstly

Arjun is not a playboy

It was common to marry several women back then.

Secondly ITV has victimized Karn when in reality he was never on correct side. He always took wrong ways to get things done and was never content.

He found it insulting to be known as sutputra karn. He was just been danveer but never did anytime for his people.

He was wrong during cheerharan of Draupadi and called her names.

Thirdly Draupadi never ever insulted Karn or Duryodhan like SM and other things try giving justification for the shit Kaurav did.

Fourth MB ka major reason was Bhishma who even after having soo much knowledge and power wasted it for his father.

Shakuni wanted whole dynasty of Dritrastra to get finished for the sacrifices *his sister did and the way Bhishma treated them.

Bhishma just for his pratigya spoiled everything, if he wanted he could have stopped everything.

Kaurav were just like their father selfish, greedy and wanted things which were never theirs. Dritrashtra never stopped his sons from doing wrong and he himself wasn't at correct side.

MB is about adharmis and the good people who made mistakes.

That is the difference between Hastinapur side and Pandavas.

That's why Krishnaji was with Arjun and Pandavas