Your opinion about what Nawaz is saying here? - Page 5

Originally posted by: DetachednNumb

That is literally the reason why a unitary language imposition would not work in the movie industry. Converse in hindi where it is required and understood by the artists/behind the scenes workers and converse in English where it is necessary for a different region actor/worker to understand their work. Why put forward a desire to brand the industry into a single line of thinking through a language? Why not just accomodate where it is necessary?

Again, none of the commenters here are proposing to impose English in every stage of production of a movie here. Unlike Nawaz who is calling for hindi imposition and in referrence to South industry is saying that their end product comes out better because a single language is maintained as a mode of communication. That line of thinking is impractical because now even South has artists working from different regions. A Malayali actor working on a Telugu movie would be spoken to in English only.

You just answered your own question. Please listen to what Nawaz is saying and you'd understand.

@Bold- Nope. He brought in the example of South industry as a reference of how proud they are of their language. And he says why can't we be the same. He isn't completely wrong here. We have seen how people with an accent or mispronunciation while speaking English are mocked in our very own country. Or the notions that how well versed a person is in English is considered as how literate or forward thinking they are. From this statement you are inferring that he is asking for a Hindi imposition. I'm like what?

For the rest...

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/160956668

Originally posted by: WhosTheFool

First of all a lot of your arguments are based on mere assumptions. He was asked a question, to which he is replying. Through his replies he is in a way conveying his grievances which he sorta faces as not being that fluent in English.

From this you have inferred that he is asking for a blanket ban on non-hindi speakers, and what not? His complaint was majorly on usage of English. I guess it's somewhat your bias which is assuming that he is attacking and asking for a blanket ban on all non-Hindi speakers or forcing them to learn hindi. I did not get that anywhere from whatever he has spoken.

@Bold- Why do you assume, the next language that non hindi speakers find comfortable is only English? Why do you assume, everyone is well versed with English? From where have you got the numbers that a chunk of the crew is South-Indian or Non-Hindi speakers. I'm asking this, because this is a point you have brought to defend your argument.

From where the heck did, Mumbai and what's it's language come from. Again assumptions.

Mumbai is a hotchpotch of different cultures. The languages spoken here predominantly are Marathi, Hindi, Gujrati, Tapori hindi and then comes English. Which is still more prevalent and common as a mode of communication in the "Higher echelons" of the society. So do you expect all the support staff which I'm assuming would be more versed in the given local languages to learn English? I don't get what's the point that you are making here.

He specifically said he would change that about Bollywood if he could. Not simply about himself.

It's not my assumption that South Indians are more comfortable in English than Hindi. It's a fact. Most of us are taught our mother tongue and English.

And when there is a hotchpotch of cultures, it's easier to communicate in whatever language most have in common. Which would be English. Not Hindi.

Also, those higher echelons of society fund movie making and bring in value. Argue for Hindi all you want, but they're going to communicate in the language they find most comfortable, and most of them say it's English.

Nawaz will be the one being accommodated, not them.

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

If u read my earlier post that's what I said..it's difficult to implement what he says coz BW is a melting pot of different cultures.

That's why the word bollywood has stuck with it and not Hindi movie industry. It isn't region specific.

Though I always wonder about the 'bolly' in bollywood..where that comes from

It comes from Hollywood... They borrowed it from Hollywood just like every other thing in the Hindi movie industry

Also Kodambakkam became Kollywood, Tollygunge became Tollywood, Malayalam & Marathi movie industry became Mollywood and so on and so forth...

Originally posted by: WhosTheFool

@Bold- Nope. He brought in the example of South industry as a reference of how proud they are of their language. And he says why can't we be the same. He isn't completely wrong here. We have seen how people with an accent or mispronunciation while speaking English are mocked in our very own country.

From this statement you are inferring that he is asking for a Hindi imposition. I'm like what?

For the rest...

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/160956668

Asking to be proud of your language is a different thing. It's a shame to expect wanna be bollywood stars with fake English accent to sort out this sentiment when even in press interviews they'd speak in English. That is not the point of contention here though. I'd say it's a bad example on Nawaz's part to compare South film industry to Bollywood in terms of language and mode of communication. His intentions might have been to throw light on how Bollywood fails to accomodate actors with strong hindi vernacular like him, which I genuinely understand. But his phrasing just makes it seems that he is kindly demanding for Hindi-i-zation of the working environment on the set.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

He specifically said he would change that about Bollywood if he could. Not simply about himself.

It's not my assumption that South Indians are more comfortable in English than Hindi. It's a fact. Most of us are taught our mother tongue and English.

And when there is a hotchpotch of cultures, it's easier to communicate in whatever language most have in common. Which would be English. Not Hindi.

Also, those higher echelons of society fund movie making and bring in value. Argue for Hindi all you want, but they're going to communicate in the language they find most comfortable, and most of them say it's English.

Nawaz will be the one being accommodated, not them.

He was asked a question, he replied to that. I'm not gonna repeat what I have already said.

@ Bold - So I was indeed right when I said that you are assuming Nawaz is asking for a "Blanket-ban on all non-hindi speakers" comes from your own biases. He is talking about his grievance with English and here you are assuming Nawaz wants to impose Hindi on everyone.

@Red - From where did you assume that here in Mumbai, people would be more comfortable with only English and not the other local languages. Forget even Hindi. Why only English? Why not Marathi, Gujrati, Konkani even...which is what a lot Kohli people(Fisherman Tribe native to Mumbai) would speak?

@Green - Again assumptions. You say, "most of them say it's English..." Who told you that? Did you do a research somewhere? Did you interview people regarding what language they are comfortable in talking in Bollywood, in Mumbai, in Maharashtra? Or is it just your blatant assumption that they would be comfortable only in English?

@Green Bold - Wow! that's quite classist I must say. You are not fine with supposed "Hindi imposition" from Nawaz (which he isn't doing really), but you are fine with English imposition via class and money. Wow! Quite progressive I must say.

My argument isn't for Hindi, but it is against English. Which is what Nawaz is talking about. See...again with those assumptions.

Originally posted by: WhosTheFool

He was asked a question, he replied to that. I'm not gonna repeat what I have already said.

@ Bold - So I was indeed right when I said that you are assuming Nawaz is asking for a "Blanket-ban on all non-hindi speakers" comes from your own biases. He is talking about his grievance with English and here you are assuming Nawaz wants to impose Hindi on everyone.

@Red - From where did you assume that here in Mumbai, people would be more comfortable with only English and not the other local languages. Forget even Hindi. Why only English? Why not Marathi, Gujrati, Konkani even...which is what a lot Kohli people(Fisherman Tribe native to Mumbai) would speak?

@Green - Again assumptions. You say, "most of them say it's English..." Who told you that? Did you do a research somewhere? Did you interview people regarding what language they are comfortable in talking in Bollywood, in Mumbai, in Maharashtra? Or is it just your blatant assumption that they would be comfortable only in English?

@Green Bold - Wow! that's quite classist I must say. You are not fine with supposed "Hindi imposition" from Nawaz (which he isn't doing really), but you are fine with English imposition via class and money. Wow! Quite progressive I must say.

My argument isn't for Hindi, but it is against English. Which is what Nawaz is talking about. See...again with those assumptions.

You can listen to the video. That's exactly what he said. He wants communication to be in Hindi. Not my assumption.

Once again, because most actors and technicians (the higher paid ones) who work in Bollywood and are not native Hindi speakers do learn English in school. It's there in the curriculum. We are not taught Marathi, Konkani, Gujarati, Tapori😆. When there are a bunch of people speaking multiple other languages and also English, communication will happen in English.

You think it's classist that people who provide funding expect communication in a language THEY are comfortable with?😆 Okay, then you'd have a problem with most of the world. Also, with reality.

There's a reason Acer's instruction manual is printed Chinese first.😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

You can listen to the video. That's exactly what he said. He wants communication to be in Hindi. Not my assumption.

Once again, because most actors and technicians (the higher paid ones) who work in Bollywood and are not native Hindi speakers do learn English in school. It's there in the curriculum. We are not taught Marathi, Konkani, Gujarati, Tapori😆. When there are a bunch of people speaking multiple other languages and also English, communication will happen in English.

You think it's classist that people who provide funding expect communication in a language THEY are comfortable with?😆 Okay, then you'd have a problem with most of the world. Also, with reality.

There's a reason Acer's instruction manual is printed Chinese first.😆

@ Bold - Dude you are bringing yourself into it again and arguing with me. See like I said your arguments are coming from your own biases.

I'm seriously quite curious...from where are you bringing these facts and figures from? How do you know that most actors and technicians in BW film industry are non native hindi speakers and communicate only in English? If you say that, "there are a multiple other languages then communication should happen in English alone"...what if they don't know English? What about the other local languages? What wrong have they done? Why not Marathi? Why do you assume English is well versed here locally as well?

And please don't bring yourself here again. We are talking about rest of the locals, not you. Gosh from all your arguments rather than Nawaz going all.."Hindi-imposition" you seem to be on a crusade of "English-imposition".

@Green- Well you are the one who is assuming that Nawaz is on a "Hindi-imposition" tirade just because he is expecting that a industry which makes it's movies in Hindi should be accommodating and accepting to Hindi. This is wrong according to you, but people who are funding if they are expecting a mode of communication their way...is not any "Language-imposition"? I mean what makes one right, and other wrong? Only on the basis of money? If that's what you think then...cool...cool.

I guess I'll end it here, since rather than talking from a local point of you, you are bringing yourself into the argument and your biases and assumptions with it. Which is just making us go in circles of a word salad.

@Red - What am I supposed to do with this? But anyways thanks for the fact. Will store it in my GK bank.

Atleast the people who are involved in the creative process of making a film should be well versed with the language because the actors, at the end of the day have to deliver their lines in Hindi in the movie. The whole melting pot references make no sense to me honestly. Hindi film industry ke creative process mein lagna chahte ho, to bhai Hindi seekhke aao. It is as simple as that.

And when it comes to the technical staff who are may be just assisting in the making of the film Or infrastructure associated with the film, I don't think majority of them are only fluent in English. Baseless generalization. Even if they are, they have to learn to accomodate the actors preferring Hindi in the Hindi film industry. Simple. Nothing wrong in what he said.

No body is imposing Hindi here but if they are to get fully involved in an industry making Hindi films, atleast give that respect to the language, varna toh bahut saare aur professions hai jaha language is just a medium of communication and nothing more.

Love how candid he is and his honesty. Makes a lot of sense

Who is Nawazzzzz 😆