Your opinion about what Nawaz is saying here? - Page 4

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

They had to keep some name similar to Hollywood so they took bombay and coupled it with hollywood to produce bollywood.

Hindi Film industry is fine

People from all places who speak so many languages carry English conversations everyday. Nawaz should just go w the flow

What he is saying is right but at the same time people can't be hired on basis of their language, Bollywood isn't only a Hindi film industry, its the biggest film Industry of a land where language/dialect changes every 20km, they have to have a common language and English has taken that place across the globe

Its responsibility of production house and director to make sure that the performance of actors shouldn't suffer because of language

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

If u read my earlier post that's what I said..it's difficult to implement what he says coz BW is a melting pot of different cultures.

That's why the word bollywood has stuck with it and not Hindi movie industry. It isn't region specific.

Though I always wonder about the 'bolly' in bollywood..where that comes from

That's literally what I said in my comment. You're just reiterating my point. Accomodating actors to their needs is the director/producer's job, not the movie industry's. There is no factual sense of imposing a unitary language in any work environment. It's autocratic and impractical. Completely would not work in movie business either.

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

His vernacular is Hindi ..the language in which a BW movie is supposed to be made. 😊 so it's not about others accommodating him..it's about people like him who r comfortable with Hindi accommodating others who aren't.

Quite the opposite. He is calling for a unitary language imposition here. Script being in devnagiri, hindi to be spoken on sets. It is hindi cinema only by the name, the artists and workmen are the makers of movies! Nazaw is a miniscule part of the industry. His movie directors/producers should accomodate his needs. But Nawaz cannot call for industry to function on a single language alone. How hard is this to grasp?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Problem with what you're saying is:

1. When the director and the producer are comfortable in English, that's how communications will happen.

2. His suggestions will make it near impossible for non Hindi speakers to work in Bollywood. If he wants to go that route, sure. But do you really think Bollywood would've been better off without all the non Hindi actors and technical experts of the past years?

Sorry. I find this notion the same as the complaint from American rednecks who go to Mexican restaurants in New York and complain about Spanish speaking waitstaff.

@Bold - I'm sorry I don't get where this extreme line of thinking or the comparison of better off is coming from? He never said to discard them completely. All he is saying is that it would be better and accommodating if the directors or assistants who are giving him inputs could do so in Hindi. Since he would be able to understand and hone his craft in a much better way, if he could understand the inputs.

Also I'm curious to know how all the directors and assistants communicate with rest of their support staff who are not well versed with English? Unless you are assuming all of them converse in English?

Also he isn't going on the set of some other regional language and putting forth these grievances right? He is talking about Bollywood, which for quite a while and still, has been using Hindi as language as their mode of communication/expression. So what's wrong if he asks for a script in Devnagiri or his director and their assistants communicate with him in Hindi? It's not like they don't know the language completely right?(At least the directors) Since they are directing a 'Hindi' movie right?

As far as them communicating amongst themselves, that he really can't control. Here he could leave aside is inhibitions and ask them what exactly are they talking about if he can't understand what khichdi is pakaofying between two people conversing in english.

Sorry but in your above example of Rednecks and Mexican restaurants, you talk about how unreasonable demands of American Rednecks in a Mexican restaurant. But you find Nawaz asking for Hindi communication at least with him, in a technically 'Hindi' film industry unreasonable? I don't get how this works?

Originally posted by: WhosTheFool

@Bold - I'm sorry I don't get where this extreme line of thinking or the comparison of better off is coming from? He never said to discard them completely. All he is saying is that it would be better and accommodating if the directors or assistants who are giving him inputs could do so in Hindi. Since he would be able to understand and hone his craft in a much better way, if he could understand the inputs.

Also I'm curious to know how all the directors and assistants communicate with rest of their support staff who are not well versed with English? Unless you are assuming all of them converse in English?

Also he isn't going on the set of some other regional language and putting forth these grievances right? He is talking about Bollywood, which for quite a while and still, has been using Hindi as language as their mode of communication/expression. So what's wrong if he asks for a script in Devnagiri or his director and their assistants communicate with him in Hindi? It's not like they don't know the language completely right?(At least the directors) Since they are directing a 'Hindi' movie right?

As far as them communicating amongst themselves, that he really can't control. Here he could leave aside is inhibitions and ask them what exactly are they talking about if he can't understand what khichdi is pakaofying between two people conversing in english.

Sorry but in your above example of Rednecks and Mexican restaurants, you talk about how unreasonable demands of American Rednecks in a Mexican restaurant. But you find Nawaz asking for Hindi communication at least with him, in a technically 'Hindi' film industry unreasonable? I don't get how this works?

Nuh huh.

I didn't say anything about not communicating with NAWAZ in Hindi.

In fact, I said that it is reasonable to give HIM a script in Devanagiri and to communicate with HIM in Hindi since he's more comfortable in Hindi.

But he's not simply saying talk to HIM in Hindi. He wants EVERYONE to talk in Hindi on set in Bollywood.

It's reasonable to expect the actors to learn the language. It is not at all reasonable to expect them to make Hindi their medium of communication. Because most South Indians or non Hindi speakers are more comfortable speaking English than Hindi, and when a chunk of the cast and crew is like that, they will communicate thusly.

And btw, Mumbai's language is not Hindi, either.

With re: rednecks on Mexican restaurants. You're saying the exact same thing. Hey, they're in America, so better learn the language. Hey they're in the Hindi belt, so better learn the language because we ain't gonna make it easy for you to work here by using a language most of us know.

Also for all the talks about Bollywood being a hotchpotch of different regions and all that. Puh...lease. Bollywood doesn't just consist of the directors, their assistants and the upper echelons of the movie industry alone. You think all the other support staff is well versed in English? Nope.

It's predominantly Hindi and also Marathi to quite an extent since the industry is based in Mumbai, Maharashtra. How do you accommodate them? Unless you don't consider the support staff a part of the "Industry". Now if you talk numbers, then the support staff exceeds the few English speaking staff. So should all the support staff also be well versed in English in order to get to work in Bollywood?

Originally posted by: WhosTheFool

Also for all the talks about Bollywood being a hotchpotch of different regions and all that. Puh...lease. Bollywood doesn't just consist of the directors, their assistants and the upper echelons of the movie industry alone. You think all the other support staff is well versed in English? Nope.

It's predominantly Hindi and also Marathi to quite an extent since the industry is based in Mumbai, Maharashtra. How do you accommodate them? Unless you don't consider the support staff a part of the "Industry". Now if you talk numbers, then the support staff exceeds the few English speaking staff. So should all the support staff also be well versed in English in order to get to work in Bollywood?

Blunt truth is people who bring in the money will be accommodated. Others will be expected to accommodate.

You call in AR Rehman and talk to him in Hindi, he's not going to be able to deliver what you want no matter how blue in the face you go arguing why he should learn Hindi.

That is literally the reason why a unitary language imposition would not work in the movie industry. Converse in hindi where it is required and understood by the artists/behind the scenes workers and converse in English where it is necessary for a different region actor/worker to understand their work. Why put forward a desire to brand the industry into a single line of thinking through a language? Why not just accomodate where it is necessary?

Again, none of the commenters here are proposing to impose English in every stage of production of a movie here. Unlike Nawaz who is calling for hindi imposition and in referrence to South industry is saying that their end product comes out better because a single language is maintained as a mode of communication. That line of thinking is impractical because now even South has artists working from different regions. A Malayali actor working on a Telugu movie would be spoken to in English only.

You just answered your own question. Please listen to what Nawaz is saying and you'd understand.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Nuh huh.

I didn't say anything about not communicating with NAWAZ in Hindi.

In fact, I said that it is reasonable to give HIM a script in Devanagiri and to communicate with HIM in Hindi since he's more comfortable in Hindi.

But he's not simply saying talk to HIM in Hindi. He wants EVERYONE to talk in Hindi on set in Bollywood.

It's reasonable to expect the actors to learn the language. It is not at all reasonable to expect them to make Hindi their medium of communication. Because most South Indians or non Hindi speakers are more comfortable speaking English than Hindi, and when a chunk of the cast and crew is like that, they will communicate thusly.

And btw, Mumbai's language is not Hindi, either.

With re: rednecks on Mexican restaurants. You're saying the exact same thing. Hey, they're in America, so better learn the language. Hey they're in the Hindi belt, so better learn the language because we ain't gonna make it easy for you to work here by using a language most of us know.

First of all a lot of your arguments are based on mere assumptions. He was asked a question, to which he is replying. Through his replies he is in a way conveying his grievances which he sorta faces as not being that fluent in English.

From this you have inferred that he is asking for a blanket ban on non-hindi speakers, and what not? His complaint was majorly on usage of English. I guess it's somewhat your bias which is assuming that he is attacking and asking for a blanket ban on all non-Hindi speakers or forcing them to learn hindi. I did not get that anywhere from whatever he has spoken.

@Bold- Why do you assume, the next language that non hindi speakers find comfortable is only English? Why do you assume, everyone is well versed with English? From where have you got the numbers that a chunk of the crew is South-Indian or Non-Hindi speakers whose next comfortable mode of communication is only English? I'm asking this, because this is a point you have brought to defend your argument.

From where the heck did, Mumbai and what's it's language come from. Again assumptions.

Mumbai is a hotchpotch of different cultures. The languages spoken here predominantly are Marathi, Hindi, Gujrati, Tapori hindi and then comes English. Which is still more prevalent and common as a mode of communication in the "Higher echelons" of the society. So do you expect all the support staff which I'm assuming would be more versed in the given local languages to learn English? I don't get what's the point that you are making here.