India's standings - Page 9

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Sending your army to attack another country is an 'invasion' by all definitions. Also, Putin asked Ukrainian armed force members to lay down arms and return home, which is absurd.

What makes you think that a Russian puppet government will be any better than a NATO puppet? It's the same either way, serving a master without caring for the interests of Ukrainians.

Like I said, would it have been acceptable to invade Maldives when pro-China Yameen was in power? Some reports said that India was considering it.

Yes, very common geopolitical scenario ....the US did the very same thing with Cuba and tried to attack & remove Fidel Castro because of his Pro Russian stance. Countries don't like their arch rivals setting up bases so close to home. If Bhutan ever was lobbying to be a NATO member...China could very well attack it/remove the government & set up a Pro China Government.

I'm not saying its OK by any means, Russia is out of line but as a smaller neighbour to a Super Power you risk invasions when you become absolutely defiant like Ukraine.

Russia is here to topple this regime/set up a puppet govt & go back. They're not here for the resources, to annex or rule Ukraine but this regime they feel is a danger to their sovereignty.

Originally posted by: sunflower52

My opinion on this all politicians are greedy and also corrupt, especially who are in power and now the media as well. As the saying goes " Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

All the mess in this world is because of US government & the ones who are behind them, ever since they went to Afghanistan opened the pandora box. If the US & NATO had not cornered Russia by using Ukraine this would have not been happening. These politicians do not care about the people they are elected to serve but their own pockets.

Seems no one has learned what happened to Saddam, he listened to the US and attacked Iran. Then rest is history.

In the end its the civilians who suffer not these politicians, who sit in airconditioned and fully protected offices and make policies that does not help anyone.

Could not agree more. Anyone trying to pin all of this on just Russia has been only reading western media. Putin is a nutcase and what Russia is doing right now is deplorable. There is no excuse for invasion and war in today's day and age. But USA is equally to blame for forcing Russia's hands on the Ukraine issue.

And I hope Ukraine also realises that USA and NATO are barley reliable and hollow partners. They egged on Ukraine for the longest time to stand up a front against Russia, and now when Ukraine actually needs help, they are just slapping "sanctions" just like they did in 2014. Russia recovered from those sanctions back then and they will do it again. And these sanctions will barely cause any blemish on Russia's current expansionist actions. Only hope Ukraine has right now is, Putin overestimated Russia's military might and underestimated Ukraine's fighting power.

India has abstained from voting against Russia and it is absolutely the right move. USA calling upon India to be the mediator to resolve this issue and assist the NATO and the west is a joke. India NEVER got any assistance from the US ono any issue, EVER. Be it against China's expansionist moves, or the 1971 war or calling out Pakistan's repeated insurgency moves. They always fed Pakistan with aids and funds which have repeatedly been used against our country. Tried to sanction India over expanding nuclear capabilities while sitting on a massive stockpile of nukes themselves. Russia has been our ally for a long time, and it makes no sense to needle them over "morality", esp when they are being cornered by the West.

The only reason USA has been friendly (atleast on the face of it) with India in the last decade or so is because they need another front in Asia against the rising might of China. That is the only reason. And the only concrete thing we have ever gained from this "Friendship" is nuclear deal done by MMS during the Bush regime. So I do not see any point in ditching our long term ally Russia for USA/Europe who are fair weather friends

Originally posted by: shiva02

I have read this transcript. But it doesn't justify sending an army in another country what u called an historical part of yours.

Did he say that in that speech? where is it?

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

I already read it. It's nothing new, just a very one-sided justification of Russian agression. He's categorically saying that Russia has the right to decide Ukraine's fate.

NATO and the USA are no saints, everyone knows that. But there is no moral justification to what Russia is doing.

True. Just like there is no moral justification for what USA and NATO have done with Ukraine. Egging them on and needling Russia, only to back off when the actual attack happens and threatening with "sanctions"

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Russia has no intentions to invade and take over Ukraine. I don't have the energy to explain and that's why I shared the Putin speech for anyone to judge. I'm not sharing a third party fabricated source like BBC or WaPo or Breitbart which tries to skew opinions.

Personally I'm convinced with Russia reaction! One shouldn't talk about what Russia is doing now without understanding the context and what led up to it.

"No intentions to invade"?

What exactly does this mean? Please explain how you define 'invasion'. I'm confused.

The speech is a summary of Russian propaganda which is peddled 24*7 on channels like RT. Putin is basically saying that NATO is violating their promise of not moving into East Europe and is trying to 'encircle' Russia. That's a really, really poor excuse to launch an invasion of another country.

Russia literally encouraged separatists in Crimea and Sevastopol. It's like Pak encouraging Kashmiri militants.

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Here is the speech Putin gave on 21st February.. I guess its more than 5000 words so only anyone who seriously wants to understand would read it all.

https://intervals.substack.com/p/russian-president-putin-speech?utm_source=url

If you find the transcript too long, then watch this 8 min reply from Putin when a reporter asks him on an international podium that what exactly are Russia's intentions. This was 2 months back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cugn8JZfk

This is not a justification for invasion, but there is a lot of context here that is missing from the "truth" we are fed by mainstream western media, which often marks this as just some commie propaganda

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

"No intentions to invade"?

What exactly does this mean? Please explain how you define 'invasion'. I'm confused.

The speech is a summary of Russian propaganda which is peddled 24*7 on channels like RT. Putin is basically saying that NATO is violating their promise of not moving into East Europe and is trying to 'encircle' Russia. That's a really, really poor excuse to launch an invasion of another country.

Russia literally encouraged separatists in Crimea and Sevastopol. It's like Pak encouraging Kashmiri militants.

One doesn't invade a country with a rider to retreat.

Putin speech is not about NATO. It was for Ukrainians. He starts with "my appeal is addressed to our compatriots in Ukraine"

"I would like to stress once again that Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an integral part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space. These are our comrades, relatives, including not only colleagues, friends, former colleagues, but also relatives, people connected with us by blood and family ties."

Originally posted by: Zeal17

One doesn't invade a country with a rider to retreat.

Putin speech is not about NATO. It was for Ukrainians. He starts with "my appeal is addressed to our compatriots in Ukraine"

"I would like to stress once again that Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an integral part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space. These are our comrades, relatives, including not only colleagues, friends, former colleagues, but also relatives, people connected with us by blood and family ties."

Have you read the full speech? It speaks about USA and NATO at full length. You yourself said that the speech is about what led to the war. Now you're saying that he didn't speak about NATO. 😆 Please read the full speech.

He has also accused Ukrainians' forefathers of not assisting USSR's fight against the Nazis.

Anyway, China also retreated from many places after it attacked India. That doesn't mean anything. Sending armed forces into another country is BY DEFINITION an invasion. Russia is trying to impose a regime change on Ukraine---which is imperialism.

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

Could not agree more. Anyone trying to pin all of this on just Russia has been only reading western media. Putin is a nutcase and what Russia is doing right now is deplorable. There is no excuse for invasion and war in today's day and age. But USA is equally to blame for forcing Russia's hands on the Ukraine issue.

And I hope Ukraine also realises that USA and NATO are barley reliable and hollow partners. They egged on Ukraine for the longest time to stand up a front against Russia, and now when Ukraine actually needs help, they are just slapping "sanctions" just like they did in 2014. Russia recovered from those sanctions back then and they will do it again. And these sanctions will barely cause any blemish on Russia's current expansionist actions. Only hope Ukraine has right now is, Putin overestimated Russia's military might and underestimated Ukraine's fighting power.

India has abstained from voting against Russia and it is absolutely the right move. USA calling upon India to be the mediator to resolve this issue and assist the NATO and the west is a joke. India NEVER got any assistance from the US ono any issue, EVER. Be it against China's expansionist moves, or the 1971 war or calling out Pakistan's repeated insurgency moves. They always fed Pakistan with aids and funds which have repeatedly been used against our country. Tried to sanction India over expanding nuclear capabilities while sitting on a massive stockpile of nukes themselves. Russia has been our ally for a long time, and it makes no sense to needle them over "morality", esp when they are being cornered by the West.

The only reason USA has been friendly (atleast on the face of it) with India in the last decade or so is because they need another front in Asia against the rising might of China. That is the only reason. And the only concrete thing we have ever gained from this "Friendship" is nuclear deal done by MMS during the Bush regime. So I do not see any point in ditching our long term ally Russia for USA/Europe who are fair weather friends

All I can say Asian countries should keep quiet and not take any sides. The US/Europe are not to be trusted, they will use and dump you when things are done leaving you in a mess. There are many examples like Iran & Iraq war which US played a huge part, used Iraq to fight Iran the same they did with Russia and Ukraine. Who payed the price, civilians on both sides.

We Asians need to make ourself strong and end all our conflicts that were brought by our colonizers. It inevitable China will rise so better to make peace. As they say "If you can not beat them join them".

@bold, I agree so India should just keep quiet and not get involved. Let US/NATO clear the mess they have created by using Ukraine to counter Russia.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Have you read the full speech? It speaks about USA and NATO at full length. You yourself said that the speech is about what led to the war. Now you're saying that he didn't speak about NATO. 😆 Please read the full speech.

He has also accused Ukrainians' forefathers of not assisting USSR's fight against the Nazis.

Anyway, China also retreated from many places after it attacked India. That doesn't mean anything. Sending armed forces into another country is BY DEFINITION an invasion. Russia is trying to impose a regime change on Ukraine---which is imperialism.

Arrey baba I meant speech was directed towards Ukrainians for Ukrainians. Ofcourse he speaks about NATO as well

How is Russia-Ukraine and India-China same thing?

Was India part of China?

Is there such bond between India and China such as the one being shared between Russia and Ukraine?

Is India betraying decades of relationship with China?

Is India joining some military complex which has intentions to invade China?