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Posted: 17 years ago
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So the torch relay ended without any "incident". But it was nothing but a farce as rightly called by Mr.Parthasarthy (Former Diplomat) on Zee News. Itni tight security thi ki 26 Jan ko bhi shayad nahin hoti hogi. Aam Janta kahin nahin thi, no one was allowed (except a few selected ones) on the both sides of Rajpath where it took place. Ek parinda bhi nahin tha, thank god school children were not used as guinea pigs.

It was looking ridiculously embarrassing, one torch runner surrounded by only Commandos and Security personnel. Yeh India hai ki Iraq...aisa kya dar Tibbetan protestors se? Area around India Gate and Rajpath was sealed off after 1 PM (fortunately I managed to pass through that area before it was sealed). It looked like a garrison with thousands of policemen.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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As much as we disliked Australia for the cricket team got to hand it out to them for at least making a statement.

"Chinese guards travelling with the Olympic torch could be arrested if they lay hands on protesters in Canberra, an Australian official said today.

Ted Quinlan, the chairman of the Canberra relay taskforce, issued the warning ahead of the flame's visit to the Australian capital next week.

Asked whether the so-called torch attendants would have responsibility for security, he told ABC radio: "The answer is no they won't and, in fact, they could be subject to arrest in fact if they laid a hand on somebody."

The tracksuited Chinese officials, recruited from paramilitary police forces, were heavily criticised for perceived heavy-handed tactics in London and Paris.

The chairman of the 2012 London Olympic Committee, Sebastian Coe, was overheard describing them as "thugs".

The Australian attorney general, Robert McClelland, said security in Canberra would be the responsibility of the federal police.

"The only role that the Chinese officials will play will be to light the torch should it be extinguished," he said.

Australian police have been given tough new powers for the relay on April 24, said Jon Stanhope, the chief minister for the Australian Capital Territory, which covers Canberra.

Police will be authorised to stop and search people along the relay route and ban "prohibited items" such as "balls, eggs, paint bombs and any similar item that is likely to be used as a projectile," said McClelland.

The flame is in Islamabad today. Pakistan is a staunch ally of China and Mohammed Yahya, of the Pakistan Olympic Association (POA), said there was "absolutely no chance of any trouble, any protest".

Nevertheless, instead of carrying the torch along a two-mile route from parliament, as originally planned, the athletes will run around the grounds of Jinnah stadium. Police, many carrying guns, surrounded the stadium and soldiers with sniffer dogs manned the main gate and checked vehicles.

Colonel Baseer Haider, an army official who helped to organise the event, said the route change was made because of the "overall security environment" and the risk of bad weather, after a hailstorm on Tuesday.

The POA urged broadcasters carrying state TV footage of the torch to avoid "negative comments" and to make "no mention" of unrest in Tibet.

Pakistan has strong and long-standing defence and economic links with China. Both are rivals of neighbouring India, which has trimmed the route of its torch relay tomorrow, fearing that protesters might try to disrupt it.

Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, and the Tibetan government-in-exile are based in northern India and the country has seen dozens of anti-China protests since last month's riots in Tibet and other regions.

China has said it expects India will take effective steps to protect the torch. Tibetan leaders in India said they were preparing to protest in spite of heavy security."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/16/olympicgames2008 .australia

It is the most fair thing to do. People have the right to participate in the torch ceremony as well as protest it. As long as they are peaceful and do not disrupt Australia recognizes the rights of protestors. This is Australia and their national officials will oversee events in their country. No Australian citizen or visitor will be harmed by Chinese officials. Wish India could have done that.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: SolidSnake

So the torch relay ended without any "incident". But it was nothing but a farce as rightly called by Mr.Parthasarthy (Former Diplomat) on Zee News. Itni tight security thi ki 26 Jan ko bhi shayad nahin hoti hogi. Aam Janta kahin nahin thi, no one was allowed (except a few selected ones) on the both sides of Rajpath where it took place. Ek parinda bhi nahin tha, thank god school children were not used as guinea pigs.

It was looking ridiculously embarrassing, one torch runner surrounded by only Commandos and Security personnel. Yeh India hai ki Iraq...aisa kya dar Tibbetan protestors se? Area around India Gate and Rajpath was sealed off after 1 PM (fortunately I managed to pass through that area before it was sealed). It looked like a garrison with thousands of policemen.

So the Olympics have ceased being a spectator sport and are now a private invitation only event.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

Boycotts or protests of these types dont buy you anything, 1980 and 1984 olympics proved it

disagree. the image of those games was soiled. the sponsors also likely took a huge hit. yes, the berlin wall sure didnt come tumbling down, but we dont need big-time things to happen to prove things all the time.😊

I just wish people leave the olympics alone, these athletes worldwide train hard to show the world they are good at what they do

the innocents who get killed because of oppression also deserve to be able to lead their lives. they too probably trained hard in schools, colleges before their lives were snuffed out by tyrants. olympics to me is just another event. they wrap it up in soapy melodrama to jack up the ratings. lots of garbage otherwise. even the "good" athletes would take dope to win if they think they could get away with it, so much for any idealism.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Simple, Abraham Lincoln once said "If half the people think you have done too much and half the people think you have done too little, then you have done just about right."

If the middle path is not visible choose the option that irks both sides.

Freeing the slaves and suspending civil liberties during civil war wasn't exactly executed from being in the middle now was it?

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Actually the Confederacy was faster to suspend civil liberties and issue draft, years before the Union. Several people in the Union though Lincoln was to lenient especially how long he let George McClellan continue is soft war tactics. It was not until Ulysses Grant and William Sherman (The Shermanator) took control did people believe that the Union was actually waging a war.

So it may not seem a middle path, but half the people thought he did too much and half the people thought he did too little.

Freeing slaves itself was a middle path of sorts. See they were free, but they still did not have constitutional rights, property rights, were segregated and were lesser citizens.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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dilemma abhi bhi hai ya phir koi hal nikal aayaa 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Freeing slaves itself was a middle path of sorts. See they were free, but they still did not have constitutional rights, property rights, were segregated and were lesser citizens.

You missed my point there. am not interested in debating Lincoln with you but will mention that ending slavery was not the paramount object as saving the Union was. It is evident from his various debates and letters. Also evident was that his views that there was physical difference between blacks and whites and the white man could maintain superiority without slavery because blacks were inherently inferior . He may have hated slavery yet clearly could not envision a society in which blacks and whites could live in harmony as equals.

I don't see any middle road here but you may going by your logic - freeing Tibet from China without giving any rights to Tibetans .😕
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Sorry to go off topic there, but being a history buff I tend to get side tracked into debates and discussions on history. The slavery and civil war era is quite complicated and Abraham Lincoln is not as bad as you make him sound, but I wont say he is as great as he is made out to be sometimes. Nevertheless a brilliant and noble politician for that period of time and the best in American history. There I go down my history track again.

Sticking to the point. What I meant to say is sometimes there is no middle path. There are situations in the world where there is absolutely no decision which you will make that will make all people go this is balanced, it was a fair compromise or it was the right thing to do.

In the situation with China and Tibet there is a similar problem. Freeing Tibet will make China and its supporters extremely upset and they will call foul and not doing so makes Tibet and its supporters feel upset. Any middle path undertaken will make one side feel that it is unfairly balanced to the other side

There is no clear cut middle path, but if half the people on both sides think it is too much and half on both sides think it is too little then it is just about right. Perhaps not the middle path, but just about right for the status quo needed to keep moving and living.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Sorry to go off topic there, but being a history buff I tend to get side tracked into debates and discussions on history. The slavery and civil war era is quite complicated and Abraham Lincoln is not as bad as you make him sound, but I wont say he is as great as he is made out to be sometimes. Nevertheless a brilliant and noble politician for that period of time and the best in American history. There I go down my history track again. Agree. while I am the opposite and hated history, I was just pointing out the fact that Abe never set out to choose middle path as you infered by the quote.

Sticking to the point. What I meant to say is sometimes there is no middle path. There are situations in the world where there is absolutely no decision which you will make that will make all people go this is balanced, it was a fair compromise or it was the right thing to do. It is not about making each and every person happy, because that would be impossible feat to achieve, it is more on being on the right side of the issue, in this case rights of tibetians. 😛 if we take anything from the war of mahabharata , then that should be clear to anyone.

In the situation with China and Tibet there is a similar problem. Freeing Tibet will make China and its supporters extremely upset and they will call foul and not doing so makes Tibet and its supporters feel upset. Any middle path undertaken will make one side feel that it is unfairly balanced to the other side

There is no clear cut middle path, but if half the people on both sides think it is too much and half on both sides think it is too little then it is just about right. Perhaps not the middle path, but just about right for the status quo needed to keep moving and living.

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