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Originally posted by: PSharada
I am not denying that Raghav did do mistakes that night and the main thing was he stayed in the room with Esha. He did try to tell Pallavi the truth - twice. It just didn't work out and his insecurities just made him close up. He did suffer in the agony of having did wrong by Pallavi - at least his monologues after he woke up that morning and the subsequent scenes with LWR do show that.
It was not him who bought Esha home. In fact when Esha came by to guilt trip him the next day he clearly told her that for him it was only Pallavi and he is going to bear the guilt of cheating her all his life but he can not have any relationship with Esha. And it was Pallavi who bought Esha into the house. Why do we forget that? And he did not run away to bring his ex back home - He went only when Dasari called him to let him know that Esha was missing since she met him and the second time Sumit called up threatening him to kill her. Oh what was he supposed to do - oh yes do whatever you want with Esha, I will not help her and there is my golden chance of hiding this whole thing.
The only reason why Esha is able to manipulate Raghav and Pallavi is because they both are inherently very good people. Esha knows that Pallavi is morally strong so she let the truth of ONS out. And Raghav was unable to strongly object to Esha being out of his house because Esha kept on manipulating Raghav saying she was stuck in this situation because - she married Sumit to save Raghav's life and second she spent the night with him.
I don't condone the actions of Raghav - He was wrong at many times but I for sure understand where he is coming from. You might see his actions different from mine. We should agree to disagree.
Nobody condones his actions Sharda and i very well do understand but what i don't is how it's always his guilt that gets him through the worst of worse things.
It was his guilt and anger for his family when he defamed Pallavi and it's his guilt now too but there's a limit to everything. He can't go nuts over E at one moment and then care with deep eyelocks the other. That is not guilt, that's more of a multiple personality.
He did tell E to buzz off and i was grateful for it but we can't ignore that when E asked him for mera raghu aisa nhin krta and all he didn't flinch. When Sumit called him E ka bf he didn't retort back or when P asked E to back off cause it was an between her and her husband, he brigaded Pallavi for behaving that way. That's just double standards of guilt.
Originally posted by: unicornwriter
That's fine Ren but i think RaghVi AT is for everyone who loves them and i do.
It's not important for everyone to be on the same page and i think i can voice my opinion if i don't understand anything and that is exactly what i think i am doing here.
Sorry but Raghav's 'guilt' actually confuses me now. I might have understood it before but i don't anymore which makes it difficult to look at our lovely couple as i used to.
I've never stopped you from commenting here. As long as it's an appreciation for Raghav and Pallavi you are well within the rules of this AT to comment.
I can understand how the couple is spoiled by sicku for you and I feel bad for you.
But trust me we are all really grappling with the fact that the show won't be here after 3 weeks and we all want to be in a happy zone and keep this place positive. If you can understand our request, I'd be grateful, if not, I'll be out of the way.
aww Gayuuu đ€ I am doing much better, thank you. At the time it really did feel like everyone was guilt tripping me, emotionally manipulating me into giving my ex another chance. That's why I can see why R asking or being determined to win P back comes off as emotional manipulation. P has a few people in her life telling her to resolve things with R without really knowing how she feels about it or what he really did. At the end of the day she's not conniving so she doesn't want to expose R nor does she want to expose her own marital issues. But I understand that eventually all of this will build on her and cause her to blow up if everything isn't already exposed before she gets to that point (which I think is going to happen - E will reveal everything before P has an outburst)
I think what's different though is that when I broke up with my ex, I was adamant about wanting nothing to do for him. I literally just felt no love for him by the time we broke up. I was THAT over it. His crying didn't affect me one bit. I was called cold because of that but it was just because I had no feelings left. I cared about him as a human being and I felt bad about what happened to our relationship but the love was gone. Which makes me think I was never actually in love with him in the first place lol.
I think Pallavi is not at that point though. She - like we both said - still has a lot of love for Raghav. It won't just go away so quickly, or at all. I think when real love is involved, it's a completely different story. There's much more at stake and I find when you do have that unconditional love - you can work through the pain, if you want to.
I know someone who was also betrayed in a similar way. Her man hurt her the most but he was also the one she wanted to hug when she felt like crap, who she wanted to hold her even though she was crying over him. They have come out on the other side. So that just goes to show how unconditional love can be and how persevering love can be if you're willing to make things work and you truly find yourself admitting that you'd rather have that person in your life than be without them.
At the end of the day R's actions now will determine what P decides to do. The truth will truly set them free but neither one of them know what it is yet. I really do think they're going to show that nothing happened. Its the only way they can finish the story neatly in the limited time that they have.
At the end of the day he hasn't been able to explain fully what had happened or he think had happened. He was given 2 sec and then stopped again so I do think Sharada & Ren were right about him being persistent about talking to P was also him wanting to clear what happened / "explain" himself. The other issue is he's used half sentences to describe what happened - "I got drunk" "I moved forward". That's not exactly what we saw on tv - so I hope they clear that up because right now P thinks he did it knowingly. He has yet to say "I thought she was you," which IMO is a big changing factor of the narrative.
Plus 100 to this Fria. Did I tell you Sai confirmed it's a happy ending đ€
Originally posted by: joliefemme
I've never stopped you from commenting here. As long as it's an appreciation for Raghav and Pallavi you are well within the rules of this AT to comment.
I can understand how the couple is spoiled by sicku for you and I feel bad for you.
But trust me we are all really grappling with the fact that the show won't be here after 3 weeks and we all want to be in a happy zone and keep this place positive. If you can understand our request, I'd be grateful, if not, I'll be out of the way.
I could be happy and investing if it had been a discussion about RaghVi too but aorry i couldn't help but to butt in since it was Raghav's guilt we were discussing (no ounce of Raghvi in that conversation i think).
I am sad too that the show is ending but sorry not everyone can be forgetting what has been happening and butchering since the last few episodes. It's ending and we deserve happiness rn but since the show is still on we as an audience can still have opinions i guess.
Originally posted by: unicornwriter
I could be happy and investing if it had been a discussion about RaghVi too but aorry i couldn't help but to butt in since it was Raghav's guilt we were discussing (no ounce of Raghvi in that conversation i think).
I am sad too that the show is ending but sorry not everyone can be forgetting what has been happening and butchering since the last few episodes. It's ending and we deserve happiness rn but since the show is still on we as an audience can still have opinions i guess.
Yes you can have your opinions no one stopped you from that. We all over here have a different opinion which you can agree to disagree with and be respectful towards.
Just because we understand and support Raghav doesnt mean this is about only Raghav. This is about Raghvi and we all love both of them, this isn't mutually exclusive situation.
This is my last response to you because we won't be seeing eye to eye on this topic. This is the most peaceful place on the forum according to us and we'd like to keep it that way. You can carry on posting here as per AT rules, I'd be out of the way.
PS: When in Pallavi AT, Pallavi could not be criticized, here Raghav can't be, that's the rule. I hope you'll will follow the rules. This is an appreciation thread.
Originally posted by: unicornwriter
Nobody condones his actions Sharda and i very well do understand but what i don't is how it's always his guilt that gets him through the worst of worse things.
It was his guilt and anger for his family when he defamed Pallavi and it's his guilt now too but there's a limit to everything. He can't go nuts over E at one moment and then care with deep eyelocks the other. That is not guilt, that's more of a multiple personality.
He did tell E to buzz off and i was grateful for it but we can't ignore that when E asked him for mera raghu aisa nhin krta and all he didn't flinch. When Sumit called him E ka bf he didn't retort back or when P asked E to back off cause it was an between her and her husband, he brigaded Pallavi for behaving that way. That's just double standards of guilt.
It is very obvious you and I have different perspectives on this. I am okay with that and I don't think any of my explanations is going to help you since you are having different viewpoint. For me I see Raghav through his whole journey and he has significantly more emotional issues than Pallavi. And the writers have always established that Pallavi is the stronger one out of the two. I understand the characters and for the last 3 weeks I want to see how they culminate the story of Raghav and Pallavi. For me these two are very close to Beauty and Beast of Disney and I would love to see Pallavi and Raghav fight and expose Esha because it is very clear that nothing happened that night and Esha is trapping Raghav.
So let's enjoy the last 3 weeks and not debate on who is correct and who is wrong. Like I said my perspectives come through my experiences in life and I have seen people come back from issues like these. Let's choose to disagree and end this discussion here please.
Originally posted by: PSharada
It is very obvious you and I have different perspectives on this. I am okay with that and I don't think any of my explanations is going to help you since you are having different viewpoint. For me I see Raghav through his whole journey and he has significantly more emotional issues than Pallavi. And the writers have always established that Pallavi is the stronger one out of the two. I understand the characters and for the last 3 weeks I want to see how they culminate the story of Raghav and Pallavi. For me these two are very close to Beauty and Beast of Disney and I would love to see Pallavi and Raghav fight and expose Esha because it is very clear that nothing happened that night and Esha is trapping Raghav.
So let's enjoy the last 3 weeks and not debate on who is correct and who is wrong. Like I said my perspectives come through my experiences in life and I have seen people come back from issues like these. Let's choose to disagree and end this discussion here please.
Oh my my when Pallavi was being bashed atleast those people didn't come to her AT which I believed was the most peaceful place on the forum then. Sharada chod do yaar, we better focus on the positivity bas.
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