Diwali Heartwarming Ads: Using Medium The Right Way - Page 6

Originally posted by: PranPriye

Hard to respond since you've chunked both our responses together.

You are going in circles. I've already been through what they meant by calling their collection Jashn E Riwaaz and what the character in the ad meant by puranas being 'fake'. If anything it's an attack on theism and not on any particular religion. Which is exactly why the definition of 'secular' you quoted is applicable here. And you can't call it 'disrespect ' because ultimately whether God exists or not is debatable and we as believers or non believers can't really prove anything one way or the other . It's not very 'democratic' to say that an atheist cannot celebrate a festival the way he or she wants to.

Plenty of people including Hindus celebrate Christmas without getting into the birth of Jesus or any of that. Is that an attack on Christianity?

Feelings ,when aren't based on facts ,but are based on imagined insults , would be dismissed. For example if I claim your username is offensive to skinny women I will be laughed at or ignored. I'll be dismissed for sure .

When I said the ad can be ignored , I was speaking as a practising Hindu who isn't that keen on that line about the puranas. Sure , people have the right to not-ignore it but then so does FabIndia to call their clothes whatever the hell they want to .

People have to make up their minds .

Are they going to defend the cultural aspects of Hinduism? Well then , this ad deals with how a non religious person tries to integrate their worldview with the cultural side of a religious festival and is that great or what!-

Are they going to get into semantics and claim the spiritual aspects of Hinduism are under attack? In that case they need to know that it makes perfect sense to walk into a temple ,bow and chant "Allahu Akbar" because it means " God is great " which is what every other stotra or mantra of ours tells us.

awwww...sweetness chali gayi tel lene...itni jaldi...🤣

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

If you are going to raise your voice and if you believe you have a strong case you shouldn't do it in this passive aggressive manner . Go ahead and say who has been disrespecting and mocking this religion in question and how . You are being provocative by vaguely saying that somebody has been doing things the wrong way but you are keeping it veiled. Not a great way to raise your voice .

As for Fabindia Im surprised that it hasn't sunken in yet ...they were not talking about Diwali they were talking about their collection . Even if u ,for the sake of argument accept for a second that using Urdu was a way of de hinduising it...designers can be pretentious...it's not surprising. For every Fabindia ad there are tons of ads that show the festival in a stereotypically Hindu way . So I don't see how the cultural identity of Hindus are under attack

Thanks for telling me on how I should raise my objection. Next time when I make a thread will keep your points in mind. Although would like to add showing selected good ads is passive aggressive is your far fetched conclusion it isn't the reality. If one choose to look at good side and call them good side it doesn't means passive aggressive.

It's very interesting to note though that you have advise reserved for people who are raising their voice for feeling disrespectful but have no advise for people who are doing the wrong deed. Now you will come and say I don't see any wrong in first place so let me save your time.

Restricting the debate on FabIndia as if this is the first incident to have happened. This is years of poking which culminates the reaction whenever such ads are sent out.

Never thought that expecting ads to respectfully show one religion is such a big thing to ask. The world we live in today.. the one who is disrespecting gets free ticket but the one who is feeling disrespected has to fight for their justice.

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

Hard to respond since you've chunked both our responses together.

You are going in circles. I've already been through what they meant by calling their collection Jashn E Riwaaz and what the character in the ad meant by puranas being 'fake'.

PP: What you said was your opinion , you cannot state it as a fact like that's what they meant. You & me both weren't in their head , so we can draw our own opinions on it.

If anything it's an attack on theism and not on any particular religion. Which is exactly why the definition of 'secular' you quoted is applicable here. And you can't call it 'disrespect ' because ultimately whether God exists or not is debatable and we as believers or non believers can't really prove anything one way or the other . It's not very 'democratic' to say that an atheist cannot celebrate a festival the way he or she wants to.

PP: Just like its disrespectful to attack atheism, similarly its also disrespectful to attack theism. Sonce God hasn't been proved or disproved , both POV's can peacefully co exist without one feeling tge urge to put down the other. Why would an atheist celebrate any religious festival? I can understand an agnostic doing that but an atheist wouldn't. It isn't democratic to say a person who dissent with something should keep quiet & ignore things.

Plenty of people including Hindus celebrate Christmas without getting into the birth of Jesus or any of that. Is that an attack on Christianity?

PP: My point exactly. They dont get into it at all, not modify it to suit their needs or call it fake or unrelatable. How can not getting into something be an attack? Its neutrality or indifference.

Feelings ,when aren't based on facts ,but are based on imagined insults , would be dismissed. For example if I claim your username is offensive to skinny women I will be laughed at or ignored. I'll be dismissed for sure .

PP: Yes, but I wouldn't be expected to just ignore you say, if you are claiming something inaccurate about my UN and move on without expressing my dissent to you.

When I said the ad can be ignored , I was speaking as a practising Hindu who isn't that keen on that line about the puranas. Sure , people have the right to not-ignore it but then so does FabIndia to call their clothes whatever the hell they want to .

PP: Someone who is keen on Puranas may not appreciate the ad. Whether you think is right or wrong, I think you can understand where their cribbing is coming from.

Personally, I have no problems with FabIndia or any other company putting any ad they like. On the contrary, I would like to be more aware of what a Company's idealogy is. So companies can post any ad they like, people can appreciate what they want, others can ignore what they want & still others can criticize whatever they feel like, within some lines of decency & without being told which group you must fall into.

Since I have nothing further to contribute, I will stop here. Looking forward to your response (if you do). Nice talking to you.

Wishing you & your loved ones a very Happy & Prosperous Diwali 🪔

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Never thought that expecting ads to respectfully show one religion is such a big thing to ask. The world we live in today.. the one who is disrespecting gets free ticket but the one who is feeling disrespected has to fight for their justice.

Which ads exactly ? An yes unfortunately it seems burden if proof is on you since someone would want some kind of explanation of what your feeling disrespected about

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Thanks for telling me on how I should raise my objection. Next time when I make a thread will keep your points in mind. Although would like to add showing selected good ads is passive aggressive is your far fetched conclusion it isn't the reality. If one choose to look at good side and call them good side it doesn't means passive aggressive.

It's very interesting to note though that you have advise reserved for people who are raising their voice for feeling disrespectful but have no advise for people who are doing the wrong deed. Now you will come and say I don't see any wrong in first place so let me save your time.

Restricting the debate on FabIndia as if this is the first incident to have happened. This is years of poking which culminates the reaction whenever such ads are sent out.

Never thought that expecting ads to respectfully show one religion is such a big thing to ask. The world we live in today.. the one who is disrespecting gets free ticket but the one who is feeling disrespected has to fight for their justice.

Still nothing on who is disrespecting religion and how. I was not advising you, I was telling you what it seemed like . But if you're going to see that as advice and are going to keep it in mind I will only be glad :)

I'm more than willingly to broaden this debate and extend it to other instances of 'disrespect' but too bad you would only make vague references to them instead of being direct about it. Please tell me in detail about this pattern of disrespect . I would love to have a rational conversation about the years of 'poking'.

I have plenty of advice for people who actually insult faith. Not just advice, I'm even willing to throw eggs and rotten tomatoes at those Fabindia people as and when they insult Hinduism. But I'll wait until it actually happens.

@ Bold. Come on, you're not naive enough to think anyone would actually buy that.:P. You were making a veiled reference to the ads that were done the wrong way. If you only wanted to appreciate the ads you linked here you'd have said " Hey look at these ads...aren't they nice?" Instead of bringing up right and wrong. Looks like you are trying to advise ad makers on how to do their job but you don't exactly say what they shouldn't be doing.

Originally posted by: PranPriye

Since I have nothing further to contribute, I will stop here. Looking forward to your response (if you do). Nice talking to you.

Wishing you & your loved ones a very Happy & Prosperous Diwali 🪔

I never said it's disrespectful to criticise atheists. I said it would be undemocratic to say atheists shouldn't have their own take on festivals which don't just have religious significance, but cultural significance too. You brought up democracy. So you have to stick to your democratic principles :)

Secondly this controversy is based on some people feeling Hinduism is being insulted here. And that is moot since like I said before...the concept of religion in general is given a backseat here so you're going to have to admit Hinduism is not being singled out and that the controversy is pointless in that sense.

And no, someone who believes in the puranas doesn't necessarily have to find the ad offensive because the very idea of questioning has a lot of importance in Hinduism. Lord Krishna ended up giving the Gita as a sermon to Arjuna when the latter questioned everything, even as he knew Krishna was the avatar of Vishnu. If a man who saw the avatar in person and had witnessed miracles had trouble grasping the philosophy of war against injustice,. why shouldn't a 20 yr old in contemporary India not feel cynical about mythology when all he sees around him are ungodly perversions by gatekeepers of religion? I get why people crib about that particular line yes. As I said I'm not that pleased with it either. But then ..atheists..right? Whatcha gonna do about them .

Thank you... And a very happy Diwali to you too <3

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Where knowledge is free;

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Where words come out from the depth of truth;

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Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Which ads exactly ? An yes unfortunately it seems burden if proof is on you since someone would want some kind of explanation of what your feeling disrespected about

Again somehow Mrs Maroon gets hold of Maroony boy's phone...👍🏼😆