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Originally posted by: deeps07

Something that has been on my mind and bugging me a lot just like shiva these days..

We all sympathise with ravi..because she is literally going thru a lot. She ate up her ego and selfrespect for caring for dhara..and has been working like a slave in that house full on maid mode along with the constant taunts and accusations of suman on her being the sole cause for shivas insecurity and the slap and worst of all..even her broken mqrrg with dev is her incapability to see thru dev...

The girl is literally ridiculed and humiliated when her previously proven guilty sister , blame her for being suspicious on her intentions ..and rather than giving a thought abt why she would blame her own sister, everyone humiliates her again and says all kinds of hurtful words and her husband shiva,who was always suspicious abt this women, remains mum and doesn't give a rats ass if his wife is hurt or humiliated..

And after all this, a women comes in shivas life and this girl is made to feel jealous ,insecure,low about herself, humiliated , laughed upon by public for her stupid actions regarding the new women who can take away her husband..

And now the women who is her supposed to be the pillar of strength during this lonely tough times, who ridiculed her by asking how would she feel if she was accused of having illegitimate feelings for gombi,dev shiva or krish..when she clearly knows ,how she and shiva was separated all becz of her feelings for dev..and insulting her with that again..

And again this sister, wants the girl to work and win her husband shiva so that she can prove to a nobody how she and shiva are made for each other..

Now the point of my post is...all these are facts which needs sympathy..but what r the reactions from Raavi..she is not hurt..she doesn't care when no one finds her trust worthy in anithas matter. She doesn't mind when dhara humiliates her like that for anithas matter..instead she said dhara and gombis mind are like mineral water. 🤪(Yea..just adulterated)

She is jealous and fighting..but why doesn't she question them..why doesn't she question anyone..why is ema taken so lightly in that house?..

Why doesn't she question suman.

Why doesn't she question shiva( and not in a comedy way)

Why is she not hurt by this..rather she just looks like a lost girl who wants to get her broken toy back in her possession though she hardly knws how to play with it..

I am not bashing ravi..but I seriously dnt know how can we sympathise with a girl who can't see and feel for herself how she is being wronged..

Makers r not interested in giving her that🤪

Her sadness is shown just by that aaa aaa bg music 🤪..to understand her I always try to keep her last related monologue in my mind..

But seriously..she needs to speak up about divorce papers man...my blood boils when that abusive budhiya mentions them and blames Raavi😡

Originally posted by: seja

Beautifully summarised however Q?

As we all know Raavi has abondonment issues, if Shiva and Disha wins the competition she will feel more dejected and how do you expect her to claim Shiva? According to her Shiva doesn’t want her in her life and hence divorce.

We r assuming she has abandmont issues judging by her actions and circumstance...but when has she ever addressed about it..during haveli times still she used to talk about how she is kept in a hanger and felt humiliated becz of both maternal and paternal family..but what now.. nothing.. no one cared to address even that..

Deeps she did say to Dhara just after baingan kaand that she has a fear that Shiva will leave her again.

Also I am not able to tag anybody but today Shivi scene was a backup. Think makers had two scenes ready,Shivi and Shisha and depending on viewers reaction with the kissing episode, maybe they switched it to keep viewers glued to this drama plus they had highest TRPs so don’t want to lose that.

Originally posted by: seja

Deeps she did say to Dhara just after baingan kaand that she has a fear that Shiva will leave her again.

Haa yes.. something like mere sar par 24 ghanta latakti talvaar hogi ki yeh mujhe chod dega vapas...I felt her there🥺

Originally posted by: seja

Beautifully summarised however Q?

As we all know Raavi has abondonment issues, if Shiva and Disha wins the competition she will feel more dejected and how do you expect her to claim Shiva? According to her Shiva doesn’t want her in her life and hence divorce.

We don't know Raavi has abandonment issues..she has never talked about it even once. We just assume she might have them because she was left alone first by her friends, then dev, then Shiva.

Raavi will need reassurance from Shiva that he will not leave her this time but in order to do that Raavi will need to show some kind of feelings to Shiva otherwise their story will not move forward.

They both are ziddi so I don’t know how makers by throwing this 3rd angle planning to show.

It’s alright giving Shivi scenes but if the story does not more forward it gets boring to watch.

Originally posted by: deeps07

Vaishu, it's not even about her pov..she has no response to it..thats the problem..we always thought what was missing was her monologue. But what if there was nothing in her mind to have a monologue about. She simply dnt care..she doesn't care when she is not trusted.. doesn't care when she is humiliated and taunted..doesn't care why her broken relationship has been made into a joke by everyone she calls her family. The max hurt she has is the sad music that plays..after that it's zilch.. She has no hurt big enough to act or even cry on it..forget monologue..any women/men would be hurt so bad..why has ravi became a robot..and unreactive..isn't she even human.

I guess she is habitual to that remember when Dev abandoned her at the altar then she was forced to get married to Shiva.That time she had expressed her emotions but was there anyone who really cared about her ? To support her ? Dhara aayi sorry boli aur move on karo bolkar chali gayi . Then at haveli, she cried because of the kiss accident tab bhi koyi tha nahi bass log sympathy dekar chale gaye lekin samajhne wala nahi tha koi usse. Phir after teh temple confrontation, woh phir royi aurr express kiya lekin usse koi sunne wala tha ki aisa kya hua ; kiski galti thi ya tujhe kya lag raha hai ? Nahi koi nahi tha uske pass usko support karnewala usse samjhane wala.

Now I will tell you my thing, I have been emotionally drained many times, like people come and hurt me and go.No one comes to aks me whether I am okay or not. This was happening from 5th grade. I was in SSC(State board ) school then shifted to ICSE board. There during first 2-3 years no one used to like me, they used laugh at me for my poor english then how I am not good at studies, how I don’t know many things. No one used to befriend me and the one who did, threw me out of the group because my name’s initials was V and rest of them were S so they wanted to make S initial group. In my family a;Lao my family members love me very much but they have hurted me many times and then haven’t felt anything for me after that. Agar mein rooth bhi jaau like toh koi manane nahi aata mujhe. Lekin meri family mein sab ke jhagde mein solve karti hoon , sabko mein samjhati hoon bhale mein uss mein involve hoon ya nahi.

Toh phir mera yahi ek defence mechanism bann gaya hai ki agar bohot bura laga toh sabke samne fasle smile karo aurr bathroom ya room mein ja kar ro lo.Kyuki mujeh paat hai koyi nahi aanewala mujhe manane aur na samjhane .Sabko yahi lagta hai Aree Vaishnavi toh hamesha hasti rehti hai aurr sabse samjha daar hai . Na hi mein koyi tantrum throw karti hoon aur jab mujeh gussa ata bhi hai toh bhi koyi manane nahi aata kyuki Vaishnavi toh gussa reh hi nahi sakti . I can not stay angry for more than 15 minutes with my loved ones bhale mujeh kitna bhi hurt kiya ho , mein agar unko dekh liya toh muskuraane lagti hoon. So I can understand woh reaction kyun nahi deti itna .

Toh woh Raavi ne express karna hi chodd diya hai kyuki itna bada hi one ke baad yeh choti choti cheezon se farak padta hi nahi hai .

Sorry agar bore kiya toh

interesting Point of view ... I would have appreciated this Disu track had it been introduced POST divorce.

Current adultery just doesn't work for me as a woman, mother, sister, mentor.

It doesn't work for me too as a woman, too, so we are on the same page. That's why I said that legally married on paper, and my biggest problem is that. I wish I could elaborate more on my real body of work in this public forum but nevertheless.

Further deliberation maybe:

Disha has been introduced as a perfect foil to Raavi:
1. Someone who appreciates Shiva for who he is, and for becoming someone whom she desires _

How much Do we really know Disha? She said onvce & we are supposed feel she is the best. Raavi has never asked Shiva to be a gentleman- Shiva thinks Raavi likes gentleman. If we selectively avoid that aspect, is that fair to Raavi's character? Infact didn't raavi asked him in haveli post birthday, in reception- What has happened to you? Why your are reactions different?

She is introduced as a foil character, a common plot point for the audience to believe. That's how narratives are sketched. Foil isn't necessarily good or bad. It's a character opposite to a character already present In the narrative. She isn't better or worse than Raavi. The audience is introduced to this character, who is a foil.

A foil usually either differs dramatically or is an extreme comparison that is made to contrast a difference between two things.

In any story or fiction, a foil is a character who contrasts with another character; typically, a character who contrasts with the protagonist , in order to better highlight or differentiate certain qualities of the protagonist.

Life has been unfair to Raavi, and she isn't treated fairly. AGREED. But, that's the story na. If she were treated fairly and everything was hunky-dory, there won't be a show in the first place.

Also, Shiva-Raavi’s point of problematic contention is that their assumptions about each other don't end. They both are stuck in a loop of misunderstanding each other.

2. Someone who chooses him Out of choice and not in a forced situation or compromise.

She chooses him? She stalked him, stalked a married man. & was quick to make sure to claim him with quick peck. is this choice or is this deperation? I cannot see her as She the savior of poor Shiva. Shiva's likes, feelings are just based on what? How will he justify his likes/dislikes for Raavi to Disha?

Married for only 5 months. She enters when he is getting divorced. Saviour? Who called her saviour? Shiva isn't POOR! He is a hypocritical man who is responsible for his own misery.

3. Someone who is grounded and with her feet on the ground contrasts with Raavi, who is supposed to be an airhead.

Raavi was dreamy, but post dev fiasco- She has been completely on the ground. Else she would not return. Though she claims it is for Dhara, how come we never further think for Raavi, that part of it was for Shiva too. She has admitted her uski hona chahti hoon, she has had sleepless nights post-divorce notice. We never give lineancey to Raavi as much as Disha is being given!

Why are you reading it as Disha is better? Probably, Id request you to read it a bit more. Foil isn't equal to a better character. Foil means contrast. Raavi is my most loved character too.

4. Someone who likes bad boys as compared to gentlemen in case of Raavi. That's another story that Shiva is a bad boy only when it comes to Raavi. As per Raavi ‘woh hath piche karke Good boy ki tarah Disha se chipka tha’

Shiva thinks Raavi likes Gentleman- Shiva never thinks why Raavi was wanting to start dosti se shuruat. Shiva claims bachapan ke har hisse mein raavi se ladai ke kisse- But still doesn't get it they were there because she finds comfort in 'merawala gunda'

Raavi was correct here- He was being a 'gentleman' with Disha. Disha likes gentleman badboys.

The whole confusion is because they both have an imaginary conception about each other, and that's the spice of their relationship. I hope I have clarified again. I give Raavi the same leniency, more than Shiva, and repeat, I don't condone adultery.

Originally posted by: Transference

Disclaimer: This post doesn't condone adultery which is a severe problem. My problem with the track remains that they are MARRIED on papers. Though they have a broken relationship, Shivi has never really been a typical husband and wife. For Shiva, it has been more about being loved. For Raavi, it was more about a failed marriage. I am taking the creative liberty of the show makers with a pinch of salt.

I am trying to present another point of view in the perpetual battle between the matters of the heart & the laws of the land. The beauty of fiction is its distant detachment and various emotions it evokes during its journey. Pieces of fiction on ITV have strong moral yardsticks given the reach of the households as such. Any debauchery draws flak, criticism and strong reactions, and rightfully so. In our society, women and their status are ambiguous, and any caricaturish representation further normalises such behaviour against them. Raavi DESERVES better and not this!!! That's a fact! My heart melts to see the girl doomed right from the word GO!

As a distant piece of fiction or characters, I like the current track except for the nasty being legally married on paper. But, such things happen in life. I know of someone who was waiting for A formal sign-on divorce to be stamped. She went on a mad liaison with someone during that period, and it just helped her cope better with the downward spiral of low self-esteem. Was it right? Maybe not! But she felt better. Her sanity was preserved.

I like Shiva as a compelling character, not because of his questionable hypocrisy but because of the layers are given to him in the grey too! He is idiotic, chaotic, hypocritical, boxed, chauvinist and loving with a heart full of passion. He makes you hate him with Shiddat.

I was watching a video interview of Alankrita Shrivastava where she stressed the fact that subversive characters need not be necessarily Morally correct.

So, taking everything with a pinch of salt.

If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Validation, acceptance & Matters of the Heart in the context of Shiva:

Human beings from thousands of years have always sought confirmation, approval and being loved for what they are. Whether it was a validation for the choice of mate, later guarantee for being strong enough when they started living in communities, and then the peer pressure to look a certain way to be accepted as per society happened.

In short validation, acceptance is at the core of every human being. While we may be greatly upset with that peck and Shiva’s nonchalant peaceful reaction, it doesn't negate the fact that it did give him a miniscule second of relief and sense of peace that maybe he deserves to be accepted the way he is.

That sense of peace when you are spiralling downward in the muddy whirlpool of self-doubt, misery and insecurity. That sense of reassurance calms down frazzled nerves and gives a renewed feeling of tranquillity.

Does that mean one falls in love or commits emotional infidelity? Maybe no!
Does that give a sense of confidence? Yes
Does this help in self-preservation? Yes

Does it help to move on? No, it doesn't. Only time does. Despite being validated, nurtured and loved during this catapulted spiral, the sunken and punctured hollowness of the heart remains trapped in the debris of a broken relationship.

Disha walking in between the madness that already exists between Shivi further adds fuel to the fire that consumes them.

Marriage for them is not their making or breaking point, it just gave a focussed dimensional plane to their world where everything else around them ceases to exist.

Disha has been introduced as a perfect foil to Raavi:
1. Someone who appreciates Shiva for who he is, and for becoming someone whom she desires
2. Someone who chooses him Out of choice and not in a forced situation or compromise.

3. Someone who is grounded and with her feet on the ground contrasts with Raavi, who is supposed to be an airhead.
4. Someone who likes bad boys as compared to gentlemen in case of Raavi. That's another story that Shiva is a bad boy only when it comes to Raavi. As per Raavi ‘woh hath piche karke Good boy ki tarah Disha se chipka tha😆’

In short, the facets of compatibility and Sukoon for Shiva has been set, in contrast with the Junoon and madness with Raavi.

Shiva & Disha, furthermore winning the contest, will deliberately create a plot point where Compatibility Vs compromise will come up.

That again presets the tone for “matters of the heart vs the laws of the land.’

Shivi defies logic, compatibility and yet their world exists around each other. It's complex, but no matter how hard they try, destiny keeps them together like a moth to a flame.

On papers, it adds a piece of surrealism to their romance and relationship, which is complicated, twisted, bizarre and may not make sense. But, that's how they are - without-fathom, insane and two people in a parasitic relationship with each other.

Is it an ideal relationship? No
Do they belong with each other? For us, maybe no, but they ‘BELONG TO EACH OTHER’

Shiva wants her to CLAIM him! And, that's his zid. Today’s song did summarise him: Ek dil hai, ek jaan hai, dono tujh pe qurbaan hai!

No matter how much compatibility, compromise and love for a gentleman crops up, they are idiots who have a universe of their own.

Who would give a law to lovers? Love is unto itself a higher law.

Boethius,

This is an interesting perspective piu ❤️

The makers are just starting with this track and I would like to wait to see how this shapes up. Who is this disha girl exactly? Are her feelings real? Does she want to actually marry shiva or has any ulterior motives? Does she know everything about shivi? As far as shiva is concerned, today's episode gave a clear perspective that he doesn't care about disha.will this remain like this? Too many questions.

I agree with you that in real life human emotions are complex. More than Right or wrong,it's grey.reality is actually more complicated than fiction.to escape reality we watch fiction and somehow we see the characters as heroes.shiva is a hero for us.the perfect guy.how can he do something that is questionable on moral grounds?

I have always wanted raavi to speak up against suman, to answer her back. But in reality she is behaving as most new DILs behave, I am talking only about the suman and raavi relationship. Her reactions to shiva is all together a different topic.

My mother ignored all the taunts of my grandmother when she was newly married.she would not say anything, just act as if she never heard anything and quietly went on doing her chores.today after 32 years of marriage, they share a much friendlier relationship.not only in my house, but in several households I have seen the older generation rudeness being ignored.people everyday don't stand up to their elders and show them the mirror.

But again raavi is our heroine.we expect her to speak up.