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Originally posted by: fria319

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I think that's the big takeaway in all the forum discussions everyone's always had on here. We all have different perspectives and backgrounds and we can't stop it from bleeding into how we see the show and particular scenes.

I'm glad we can all have discussions on here without it getting immature and catty even when many of us have different perspectives on the scenes.

I think it's really important to note that we can't victim shame/blame Raghav if he was in fact drugged or out of his senses drunk. There's no outcry of it, at the moment, because majority of us, myself included, were probably too focused on what he did wrong (IMO) prior to that moment. And they haven't fully shown in which circumstances the precap happens.

If he was assaulted, then obviously it's wrong and I'm annoyed/angry/put-off that Siku would even think to do that just to create relationship drama.

I hope for Raghav's own sake that its all fake and nothing actually happened even if his drink was spiked.

I KNOW Siku is just going to brush over it. If his drink was spiked, whoever did it will not be held accountable bc Siku just doesn't like to dwell on the important stuff that can put the villains in their place and give the victims their justice. Just look at how they've completely ignored Keerti + Sunny's involvement in drugging Pallavi. Homegirl still doesn't even know she was drugged... likeeee whaaatttttt Siku...

Obviously we won't know the full story until today's episode, if they even choose to show all of it. They may just want to continue to keep us in the dark. Do you think we'd actually find out what happens today?

I usually watch the episode before coming to the forum so I am not aware in advance of what they are going to show, hence I don't go in with preconceived notions and I watch it twice back to back to ensure I haven't missed anything. So when I saw the precap yesterday, the first thing that came to my mind was, oh no, don't tell me it's a repeat of the Anjali scene where he was drugged and taken advantage of. That was so wrong and I was fuming at the thought that someone would do this to him again, that too a person who he cared for and was trying to help. Then I came to the forum and what do I see? People blasting Raghav even before watching the next episode and no focus about the possibility of him being a victim. I was totally shocked by that, honestly because I thought we had fair people on this forum. One person did make a post about this today which I was pretty happy to see but most people didn't think of it and launched straight into a Pallavi vs. Raghav comparison debate. Ugh... It takes away from the essence of the show for me but I try to be patient.

Regarding victim shaming or blaming Raghav, well unfortunately that's already happened quite a bit based on the precap and also people judging and sentencing him ahead of time. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Even if they do show that he was assaulted, his drink spiked, etc. people's focus has still been and will still be on why he drank in the first place instead of sympathizing and feeling angry on his behalf. It reminds me a lot of scenarios where women are told that they are responsible for being assaulted because they drank something or wore something or went somewhere. Really distasteful and unfair to hear that and it's even worse because in this case very few people even considered that he may actually be a victim.

I know people are feeling for Pallavi and as a woman I fully understand where the concern is coming from, but before the matter even gets to Pallavi what about what's happening to Raghav at this moment and how there may be a crime committed against him, that too by someone he knows?

Sorry, this has made me quite upset, frankly.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I usually watch the episode before coming to the forum so I am not aware in advance of what they are going to show, hence I don't go in with preconceived notions and I watch it twice back to back to ensure I haven't missed anything. So when I saw the precap yesterday, the first thing that came to my mind was, oh no, don't tell me it's a repeat of the Anjali scene where he was drugged and taken advantage of. That was so wrong and I was fuming at the thought that someone would do this to him again, that too a person who he cared for and was trying to help. Then I came to the forum and what do I see? People blasting Raghav even before watching the next episode and no focus about the possibility of him being a victim. I was totally shocked by that, honestly because I thought we had fair people on this forum. One person did make a post about this today which I was pretty happy to see but most people didn't think of it and launched straight into a Pallavi vs. Raghav comparison debate. Ugh... It takes away from the essence of the show for me but I try to be patient.

Regarding victim shaming or blaming Raghav, well unfortunately that's already happened quite a bit based on the precap and also people judging and sentencing him ahead of time. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Even if they do show that he was assaulted, his drink spiked, etc. people's focus has still been and will still be on why he drank in the first place instead of sympathizing and feeling angry on his behalf. It reminds me a lot of scenarios where women are told that they are responsible for being assaulted because they drank something or wore something or went somewhere. Really distasteful and unfair to hear that and it's even worse because in this case very few people even considered that he may actually be a victim.

I know people are feeling for Pallavi and as a woman I fully understand where the concern is coming from, but before the matter even gets to Pallavi what about what's happening to Raghav at this moment and how there may be a crime committed against him, that too by someone he knows?

Sorry, this has made me quite upset, frankly.

@bold: No worries :)

It's perfectly understandable. I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes we get too caught up in what we think they're going to show without knowing full details and that can lead to a lot of ranting and raving on the forum.

Personally (lol I can't believe I'm using that word here about a fictional show), I was upset with him for things that had nothing to do with the precap, but I know not everyone made that distinction and some jumped on him bc of what the precap showed. Not going to rehash all that here, but obviously it's too soon to judge the precap scenes, for sure.

Really I think most of us have watched too much ITV and have trauma, so we think this show is always going to turn out like the old EK shows of the past and we start freaking out when we see hints of EK show plots.

Hulu's description for today's episode says Esha tricks Raghav into playing a drinking game so I'm sure that means E is going full negative and R is not at fault about the bed scenes.

Originally posted by: ManishaShah

But epi dekhne ke baad main soch rahi hoon ke hotel wapis aane ke baad raghav ne esha se sumit se marriage karne ka reason kyu pucha bcs he already knew ke esha ne paiso ke liye usse marriage ki thi I mean raghav ke acc aisa hi tha esha ne usse aisa keh kar hi breakup kiya tha phir suddenly raghav ko kya jarurat a gayi sach janne ki?

Or raghav ne esha se ye bhi nahi pucha ke pehle to usne raghav ko chod diya phir ab ilu ke msg ke reply me ilu kyu likha I think jab raghav esha ko wapis lekar aaya tha tbhi use esha se qus karna chahiye tha ke paiso ke liye usne pehle kisi se shadi kar li or ab itne time ke baad milne par wo use ilu ka msg bhej rahi hai why? but raghav to jaise bhul hi gaya msg ke bare me

I am glad you people think like that. I was surprised initially at the amount of hatred spewed on him suddenly due to the implications on him just from that episode. I know as women we tend to get hyper on remotely shady situations as such but here its morally and potentially a horrible situation for Raghav.

If roles were reversed then the situation would have been completely different. Raghav would have been tagged a sexual predator and Esha the innocent victim who just wanted to have a drink. But due to the reverse case its being shown as such.

I don't know why are people actually bashing Raghav? Because he had been in love with Esha at a point in his life? Thats the only thing being harped about during the Mandaar track comparison. And then that he broke the promise?

You know for a chronic alcoholic given a chance of even one drink, the temptation is too great to refuse. And one drink always becomes many. Frankly I was a bit shocked at how easily he was shown leave drinking. He must have been having withdrawal symptoms.

But it the plot hole comes as how he got sloshed enough to pass out completely drinking maybe half a bottle? If it wasn't spiked? He had specifically mentioned I'll take the couch then he passed out. So here nothing happened with his consent. So if anything has even happened that is violation ergo.. r*pe technically.

But then before everyone leaps, I haven't watched today's episode yet. This was for the prior day's outrage.. 🤣

Originally posted by: ManishaShah

But epi dekhne ke baad main soch rahi hoon ke hotel wapis aane ke baad raghav ne esha se sumit se marriage karne ka reason kyu pucha bcs he already knew ke esha ne paiso ke liye usse marriage ki thi I mean raghav ke acc aisa hi tha esha ne usse aisa keh kar hi breakup kiya tha phir suddenly raghav ko kya jarurat a gayi sach janne ki?

Or raghav ne esha se ye bhi nahi pucha ke pehle to usne raghav ko chod diya phir ab ilu ke msg ke reply me ilu kyu likha I think jab raghav esha ko wapis lekar aaya tha tbhi use esha se qus karna chahiye tha ke paiso ke liye usne pehle kisi se shadi kar li or ab itne time ke baad milne par wo use ilu ka msg bhej rahi hai why? but raghav to jaise bhul hi gaya msg ke bare me

Message will be forgotten because in this show they forget everything

About shaadi.. not sure why he asked? Maybe after he found out about divorce he was curious?

Originally posted by: AnushkhaA

Maine episode bina dekhe hi itna kuch post kardiya. 😅😅😅

Abhi himmat karke dekha toh samajh aaya..

I am not angry at Raghav per se for the situation he was found in the precap. That is clearly a set up. I saw him telling her that he wouldn't drink. Then telling her he can drink juice to keep her company. Then he thought he might drink one peg.

That was stupidity. He might have gotten overtly emotional. Maybe he did it for Esha's sake... feeling guilty that she got the bad end of the deal. And knowing she did it for him. Thinking how he got his happily ever after while she suffered.

It was done in naivety perhaps. He might not have intended to get drunk. Was that one drink spiked? You can't get drunk in one peg. And Raghav who drinks like a fish probably would need a few bottles more to get so completely out of his senses to do anything. First Esha looked drunk, Raghav was sober then suddenly Raghav was drunk and Esha looked slightly tipsy?

But here, he had passed out and Esha didn't look that disoriented at all.

What the actual hell happened?

I am confused.

All these posts from the morning in twitter and here on the forum is making my head spin.

What are people actually angry about? Raghav drinking a peg with Esha or getting drugged and being violated... possibly?

Glad that you’ve made this post. It feels nice to see people thinking about the other side too. Him repeatedly telling her he won’t drink and agreeing for one peg wasn’t mentioned by other people and I who have stopped watching epis gave my reply without checking

Maybe she drugged him and pretended to be drunk. Most people probably will not consider the problem of consent while not in senses for men. It is a bias.. women are more likely to be called dishonorable and men a**holes. In fact consent while drunk is something that the awareness is just increasing about. Therefore people are more likely to say he made a mistake/ cheated instead of was taken advantage of

Originally posted by: hapc

Glad that you’ve made this post. It feels nice to see people thinking about the other side too. Him repeatedly telling her he won’t drink and agreeing for one peg wasn’t mentioned by other people and I who have stopped watching epis gave my reply without checking

Maybe she drugged him and pretended to be drunk. Most people probably will not consider the problem of consent while not in senses for men. It is a bias.. women are more likely to be called dishonorable and men a**holes. In fact consent while drunk is something that the awareness is just increasing about. Therefore people are more likely to say he made a mistake/ cheated instead of was taken advantage of

I am glad I actually watched the episode keeping aside my reservations. I mean, the way people have blown their top off everywhere had given me the impression of something completely different than what has actually happened.

Whenever I feel a gender issue arises I try to reverse the roles. That gives a lot of clarity. Same goes for here. As per the mechanics of getting drunk goes, you are definitely not in your senses.. at that time nothing done or spoken can be taken as consent. It wouldn't have been assault had both been shown awake while implying anything.

But here Raghav clearly passed out after telling he would take the couch. Ergo... he had no consent, neither was he in his senses. If Esha took advantage of the situation.. that is distastefully bad. Whether the victim is a man or a woman, it doesn't change the intensity of the criminal nature of the act.