I am appalled! - Page 8

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Lakshmi I have written something about his mentioning Kamal sir here in Neerja's post if that makes sense. Not sure if you read it. here it is .

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/159052013

Will read it but I can’t get over the fact that he didn’t once think how will he live without Sai. I am sorry but he is a me, myself, my hurt, my pain person and can’t move past himself.

Originally posted by: laksh

I know that our views vary about this and I have absolutely no intention to change your views. But I couldn’t help but say that he is not getting sucked by quicksand, he is doing it willingly. He wants it too but hasn’t been able to accept it. He can grow angry on Pakhi, would react to her but also gives in to his own emotions and would cry to her, treat her like she is something very important in his life. His pain looks more like him acting stubborn to show that he is in pain and since no one is willing to hear him out or people whom he wants to support him isn’t supporting him, he is trying to show his pain. I can empathise with him only if that pain was selfless but when it comes to only him at the end, it has become self pity than anything else.

Very simple thing. Shouldn’t he have said how will I live if anything happens to Sai than saying what will Kamal sir say? If our loved ones is in the death bed, we wouldn’t be able to imagine our life without them, wouldn’t be able to think anything else. He is in a trance when Pakhi badmouths Sai but can always stand up or justify his actions to his brother. He is all the time ready to defend himself but not the one whom he claims he loves. This is where his love and pain all looks shallow to me.

It does look shallow because comparing to the things has done in past few days.. No amount of remorse or tears can not justify his acts..

However I have slightly little different views than you.. Today dialogues were quite disjointed so has to do a lot of brainstorming to understand the emotions.. Do not know whether it was done on purpose or lazy writing.. Or limitations in creativity.. Virat's mention about Aaba because he gave his word to this man to look after his daughter.. His romantic feelings for Sai is completely independent of his responsibility towards sai as a guardian.. Sai isn't obliged to reciprocate his feelings.. Finally he has realised it.. As I said lines were so incomplete.. On top of that no fbs to support what's is being uttered by the characters.. Yes he is completely broken.. He knows he lost the rights to be by her side.. But then again no flashbacks.. Hence we are unable to connect with him..

Though I agree he comes across extremely self absorbed man.. His equation with PP will never change as I have mentioned in another thread because it's in his genes.. He has seen how his own father was always indifference towards Ashwini.. Unknowingly he adapted that traits.. PP knows Virat is never going to love her but she tries to win brownie points by supporting him during his weakest moments..

Not once did he say "Meri Sai" like he did before during ousting track n previous accident track. Not once did he have any FB of his moments with Sai. He is not even thinking about how much "physical" pain she'd be in since she was in an accident, let alone the emotional pain that drove her to leave him and CN. He is concerned about letting down kamal sir, not about losing Sai forever. His dialogues and reactions in this track have been utterly terrible. They only cement my belief that he only cares for Sai as a guardian at best n that is merely a forced responsibility on him. Theres no love.

And in KD, in future when Samrst is dead pp is getting medical Rx also he will go above and beyond to care for her ignoring his own wife. He will go as far as to hug her, spend time in private, allowing her to cling to him like a wife ignoring even his own gharwaalon ka advice. This despite pp having parents to take care of her.

So basically Sai is not special to Virat. But Virat is special to Sai. So she will fall for his fake tears n emotional manipulation. And she will pay a price for it.

Virat does not understand the concept of emotional cheating. He thinks because he didnt sleep with anyone makes him maryada purushottam. In KD he just refuses to understand Sais insecurities about shruti n pp. He repeats his mistakes over n over. And Sai falls for hus tears n emotional outbursts over n over. And virat is going the same way. He couldn't bear a mere mention/presence of an aniket n ajinkya but he wants Sai to be cool with his undue leverage to pp, to accept not just his past with pp but also he will continue to join pp in taunting Sai

Originally posted by: Nja91

Virat does not understand the concept of emotional cheating. He thinks because he didnt sleep with anyone makes him maryada purushottam. In KD he just refuses to understand Sais insecurities about shruti n pp. He repeats his mistakes over n over. And Sai falls for hus tears n emotional outbursts over n over. And virat is going the same way. He couldn't bear a mere mention/presence of an aniket n ajinkya but he wants Sai to be cool with his undue leverage to pp, to accept not just his past with pp but also he will continue to join pp in taunting Sai

I am done with this character 🤢..

The more we talk about this a* the more Vanker will irritate us further for negative publicity.. As someone mentioned the more sympathy gained for Sai the higher the trp.. Lol what a mindless thoughts .🤢

A strong and independent girl will be made to fall for his so called charm.. That's what many girls do in real life as well.. And this ph is normalising it 👎🏼

Originally posted by: Sofna

I was blessed to only watch with my beautiful pure eyes after SaiRat entry to CN.😎

Drs have specifically advised me to to avoid crap...😆

Vitthal Mane was in Gadchiroli and that is a good phase.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Ok I think we differ drastically on V-P dynamics. 😃 I understand where you are coming from. I too loathe Virat's muteness and unwanted kindness shown to her, especially because Sai is getting effected too much. But the same Virat did stood by Sai during entire birthday episode, he completely lost it on Pakhi. (Dont say it is because his birthday plans will get spoiled) He was worried Pakhi is taking it on Sai physically. On the very night, he shut pakhi up, independent of how Sai responded to him. Yes I agree, the instances are less, and only when they aggravate too much. But what I want you to look at is his responses to her privately. He was always curt in his reponses. Yes he falls back to behaving like normal with her in front of people. Which is very annoying. He becomes too chivalrous to save her honor. Which is not needed. May be Sai is getting confused with this same behavior. What I am saying is, he is making this mistake but it is forced response towards her, not natural one. Natural one is when they are alone. He loathes her. He has no respect for her. He is just bearing her.

The ganging up with Pakhi to insult Sai is not deliberate too. In the sense he is not wantedly siding with Pakhi, knowing that Sai will hurt. When Pakhi uses reverse psychology in front of them saying sai is not understanding him, he agrees to that truth!.

Can Pakhi dare to call his love as brotherly love in front of them, NO..who knows he would slap her. She will never utter any words in front of them that really puts off Virat or she gets exposed. It is pakhi's manipulativeness that forces him to react to her in a favorable way in front of Sai. HE IS AS MUCH VICTIM TO PAKHI AS SAI. He just could not read her.

I would like to disagree here and wait for the moment he flips. He already flipped, just that he is not showing openly.

Thanks for your patient replies. I agree to all the points about his behavior expect this. Please think in this way and see if it makes sense

I understand what you are saying.....that Virat just needed an ally to insult Sai and Pakhi was available. He would have done the same had it been anybody else in Pakhi's place (Bhavani, Sonali etc). And Pakhi of all people knows how to manipulate him, hit at his weak spot. She is able to play him like a fiddle during his vulnerable moments. I have thought of this too sometimes.....nor does it make his actions any less atrocious...it completely broke Sai.

When I was watching yesterday's episode, I saw a pattern. From Virat's POV, he feels misunderstood by everyone in the family. So when Pakhi offers him a shoulder to cry on, extends her sympathy and understanding for him, he takes the bait. And he has done that on other occassions as well. Despite the fact that this woman has tried to create rift between SaiRat, despite knowing that this woman hates Sai, despite Pakhi confessing her love for him just as few days back...

He instinctively protects her honour even after Samrat's return...Why? Why does he not extend the same chivalry to Sai. We are only protective of a person we are attached to. Even a bad husband only proritizes someone he is emotionally connected with - over his wife. For example, a man may give excuses for his mother's sins, defend her against his wife and proritize his mother over his wife. This special treatment is reserved for his mother because he is emotionally attached to her. Here, Virat's soft corner for Pakhi can only mean atleast a little emotional leaning towards Pakhi? Even as he may not be realizing it? Ninad also does the same thing - prioritise his Vahini over his wife - but that again is due to his gratitude. But Virat has got nothing to be thankful for....towards Pakhi.

From the beginning Virakhi have been taking liberties with each other. They walk into each other's rooms without knocking. Even while getting mad at Pakhi, he shows the haq of being physical with her. He holds her hand during excitement or gratitude. In our society, all these actions will be frowned upon... especially in a conservative household like Chavans. I don't understand what kind of friendship this is...?

He may not be spending much time with her. When things are fine between SaiRat, he seeks out Sai. But when things are bad between them - he didn't hesitate to cry on Pakhi's shoulder?

He is not be enjoying Pakhi's attention nor does it give him an ego boost. Nor does he have any romantic feelings for her. Consciously, he sees Pakhi for a petty, conniving person. And knows Sai is a good person. But there is a subconscious that seeks the understanding, approval and unconditional support - that only Pakhi gives him? Sai will not be like Pakhi - she will call spade a spade.

All this is probably a battle between the conscious and the sub-conscious? That's why he doesn't even realise what he is doing?

Originally posted by: Sofna

I think Virat is the last person to be manipulated.

We saw him inftont of the DIG.

He knows when to say what!

If the DIG felt from Virat's words that he was questioning how to do his job....

If he can put his stance clearly there - then why not in the area due to which he is seeking the transfer in the first place?

It's another thing that he wants to saunter about his home with his head in the sand when it comes to his wife and his woh.🤢

How many more different acts, word's and affirmations does he need from his woh about what place he has in her life and how she sees Sai?

Someone, whom we can count on one hand, that many times has stood for his wife, whilst we'd loose count of the number of times he stands side by side with his woh.... his wife is humiliated on a daily basis by his woh and family and on a nightly basis by his woh ... BUT who is wrong, who doesn't understand, who is childish, who doesn't know the meaning of living amongst family 😵, who doesn't understand the value, care and affection of family, who is immature, who makes a mountain out of molehills, who twists everything to suit their purpose - basically who has the courage and honesty to call a spade - Sai Joshi!

If ganging up with Pakhi isn't deliberate- why doesn't he keep his unwarranted views to himself.

Maybe I would've given him the benefit of doubt - but seeing the way he couldn't stop her sprouting crap infront of Devi, his own sister - and we're to believe that man isn't deliberately siding with his woh?

He isn't a victim to Pakhi. She feeds his male ego. Which thankfully Sai doesn't stoke, but gives it a good thrashing!😆

From what I've heard of KD he doesn't flip. In turn he might write in his will to bury him next to his Woh, so they can hold hands down there too !😆😆😆

Virat for some reason from the start has this tendency to behave like what he thinks is correct. This openly came out only during the Alta, PD lunch, Ousting, Post anniversary tracks because we look at this show to a certain extent from a Sairat perspective. Other times, when Sai did the fake death track they pushed his support in a comic sense, when he gave that unforgettable vaada without thinking about realistic consent of the two people getting married, when he got married to Sai despite her explanations and requests for him to run away because of her concerns to go full into a commitment like marriage & there could be more but these are at the top of my mind.

Right now, he feels hurt w.r.t Sai and some extent Samrat, he's blinded by his convictions always. That conviction whichever side it tends to side is all he can associate himself with. And everytime he has tended to get manipulated by whichever side's people he associates with at that point in time. In his head P is just a friend so for him that's the defacto reality, anyone who refuses to accept this or questions his intentions cannot see him for better.