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Originally posted by: nikita05

Sahi baat hai, ab bas karte hai...

Hum bhi Sai jaise hote jaa rahe hai, saari baato ke beech me didi ko le aate 😂

Because we all looobbbbb didi sooo much🤪

Originally posted by: mishtypie

Because we all looobbbbb didi sooo much🤪

Mala maaf kara 🙏

I don't want to lobbb didi 🤣🤣

Originally posted by: mishtypie

I don't know about love but virat was definitely attracted towards sai. He knows she is way better than his yoga love in terms of personality. As per sai he is the only male she got close with after her aaba. She doesn't have option but if she was with her aaba I'm damn sure that virat will be the last person she will choose as her life partner. Though they have made Sam and Sai as bro sis in show but I guess they might have better equation than Sai and Virat.

Originally posted by: Cold-Fire

This was exactly what I thought when I saw them, it felt they had a better understanding...and their story would actually have been better honestly..both wronged but still holding themselves...it could have been good but writers need to copy paste 😆

It could be them being the end game but then Sai needed someone who can unconditionally support her and that can be given by Sam the big bro. In husband-wife relationship again the expectations come forth, dynamics change. Also, storyline would have been much sorted then, drama element being less. Copy paste to hai hi.

Originally posted by: nikita05

The idea of loving Sai was also implanted by Sunny in his mind during Holi, till then it was like aadat ho gayi, pasand karta hu. He didn't reach the conclusion that he loved her on his own.

Nicely put.

@Bold: The one point I am unsure about is the that the idea of loving Sai was given to Virat by Sunny. I have seen this point made a lot of times in recent posts. My view is that Sunny pushed Virat to confess his feelings after watching him, but it was Virat himself that was trying to confess and specifically said he loved Sai during the Holi track.

Sunny, in my view, at that time only implanted the idea to Virat that he should confess his feelings, he did not tell Virat what they were. Much later on after the pool incident, Sunny says that Sai has beginning falling in love with Virat and that Virat loves Sai. Even during some of his earlier monologues he cannot fully bring himself to say I am in love with Sai, as he stops just short of saying the word love. I'm not sure Virat has rushed straight into believing he is in love. As he has said in a lot of his monologues from the 200th episode to the episode after the college fest, he was/has begun falling in love with her. As he also said to PK during the cafe scene, what he has with Sai is what he calls love because the feeling he has towards Sai has just continued to increase and increase. I think that cystalises in his mind by the time the anniversary track comes around, as in his dream sequence he actually confesses he loves her and when she is asleep, he confesses that he loves her, rather than is falling or starting to fall in love with her.

Love does come in different forms and emanates in different ways depending who you talk to. There will be some who have the love and passion at first sight and that is it and they will tell you that is their love. You also have people who come together (e.g. through arranged marriages) where love is not there at the start, but it grows as they get to know each other and build a life. That is what Virat's and Sai's love is for each other. They were not in love (maybe there was an attraction), but those feelings have developed as they have spent more time together and seen each other's true self. I have also seen this first hand where couples who have been together for 20-30 years who are very much in love, but did not start their marriage/relationship with love, it grew.

A consensus view emerging from the recent track is that Virat does not love Sai because of his behaviour. That may be correct, it may be not. I am not sure where I fall exactly on this topic, or if I am married to a particular view. I am leaning on, and at the moment I am of the view, that Virat does love Sai. That is likely to be a controversial opinion. I think he has previously felt what he thought to be love for PK and he knows what his feelings are for Sai. He has the information himself to know why his feelings for Sai are different to feelings he has ever felt before and why this is love. As I said above, he has felt that love increase for Sai as time has moved on. That being said, I despise his actions and conduct through the last few weeks (or one night in Ghum!) and I agree that it would be better for them to separate and for Virat to find someone with whom all this baggage does not exist and for Sai to become independent and decide how she wants to spend her life. Notwithstanding that point, I still think Virat loves Sai. This includes putting to one side that he himself and the story is that he does love her. There has been a lot of problematic conduct and toxicity from Virat's side and mistakes from Sai's side (I do not consider her to be toxic in the same way as Virat, but I do not consider her to be without flaws and not too have contributed to the misunderstandings between them), but Virat's vile conduct, unfortunately, reflects real world and the hurt that a lot of people suffer and how this leads to this type of conduct, which only comes from being hurt by someone you love. I do not think he would have treated someone he did not love the way he has been treating Sai, because he would not feel that hurt in the same way and want to push that person away. You tend to lash out the worst at the people you love and trust the most. I tentatively use PK as an example. Leaving to one side his siding with PK, which is another topic and issue in itself, he has never been so vile with PK because he never loved her so what she did never affected him in the same way. He did softly rebuke her for the Shivani track and when she made fun of Sai when UM was feeding her, but at that time he was not fully sure what he felt for her and what he was beginning to feel for Sai. The time when he was in love with Sai and he did something was on Sai's birthday, when he grabbed her. This was because she hurt Sai, who he does love so that did affect him (not defending him man handling PK, which he should not have done). The other time was post Sai's accident when he was again very rude and harsh to her (deservedly so) and told her she had such ghatia thoughts, can continue to stoop as low as she wanted, to stop her drama and that she should blame only herself for her misery. This was him lashing out in a way he had not done before with PK when she did something that deeply affected him, i.e. deliberately tried to sabotage Sai and come between them.

He is lashing out at Sai and trying to hurt her and make himself hate her because she has rejected him and his love in a way he never thought she would and he does not know how to get away from the pain he is feeling. It was one thing for her to keep saying this was a deal marriage and she would leave, but what she said to him during the anniversary track was the realisation from his side that she will never move from this position, to understand him and his love for her (again, he is to share most of the blame for this), and for her to love him. This is why when they got back, he was indifferent and trying to set the clear boundaries of not wanting her to interfere, be involved in his life, assert any right. He was trying to show her a different side to him as he had said he would and distance himself. That was as much as him building up his walls and trying to protect himself from further falling in love with her, as much as it was to show her the difference between a true deal marriage, as she keeps telling him they have, and a marriage during which he has shown and showered her with his love that he hoped she would see and understand.

Where he changed and became truly vile was post Sai cancelling his transfer. As I said, his conduct cannot be defended, but I think why his behaviour became do despicable is because of the further hurt he is going through at that stage. He needs to be away from her to recover and move on from the rejection of the only woman he has actually loved (not PK, as he knows this was attraction/infatuation/friendship) because she made it plain to him that he was never going to be her future, but she is not letting him get away. He is trying to suppress his feelings, his love and his hurt as he says to her, in his monologue and to Sunny/Samrat (Cannot remember which).This is leading to more confusion from his part again that she would do this, but then he crashes back down hard when he hears her say that she did this for the family and not because she loves him. She is asserting rights and interfering with his life where she keeps telling him she has no rights and there is no future. This immediately puts them at loggerheads, not least because of their continued misunderstandings.

As a man in love, who is deeply hurt and scorned, he can't be away from her so the only thing he can do to shield himself from the further hurt is to persuade himself that she is a problem for him and that he hates her. I think it's common place that when you fall out or are deeply hurt by the person you love the most, you start to lash out the most and everything turns into an argument and you say things that you shouldn't that you know will hurt the other person, which at the time you don't think about but you later (sometimes much late) realise that it would and that is why you said it. I'm not sure why people do or the psychology around it, but it does happen. Each time again Sai does something to remind him there is no future, she rejects his love and does not need him, it is a further bullet shot to a man that is already on life support. That is why each shot makes him angrier and lashing out more. I think this is why he goes from also at least reacting with the right expression (even if he is not saying anything, but should) and even calling her out on the one night by telling her Sai puts her down because she puts herself in that situation, but has now moved to non-expressions or even agreeing with the vile things PK is saying. He is too emotional and caught up in his own self-pity of hurt and rejection that he is not seeing the hurt his actions and lack thereof is causing Sai.

All that being said, and I am not sure I have expressed myself clearly or as eloquently as others do, but I think notwithstanding everything, including that Virat is a deeply flawed individual for a lot of reasons, I do believe he does love Sai. As I have said above thought, love in itself is not everything and does not mean they should be together. Love is not enough in itself, there needs to be respect and trust. This is something Virat knows himself. The trust part is debateable, but there is definitely no respect at this time coming from him, so that is why I do not think they should be together, but that does mean I don't think he loves her, I think he does.

Originally posted by: Tiptione

Nicely put.

@Bold: The one point I am unsure about is the that the idea of loving Sai was given to Virat by Sunny. I have seen this point made a lot of times in recent posts. My view is that Sunny pushed Virat to confess his feelings after watching him, but it was Virat himself that was trying to confess and specifically said he loved Sai during the Holi track.

Sunny, in my view, at that time only implanted the idea to Virat that he should confess his feelings, he did not tell Virat what they were. Much later on after the pool incident, Sunny says that Sai has beginning falling in love with Virat and that Virat loves Sai. Even during some of his earlier monologues he cannot fully bring himself to say I am in love with Sai, as he stops just short of saying the word love. I'm not sure Virat has rushed straight into believing he is in love. As he has said in a lot of his monologues from the 200th episode to the episode after the college fest, he was/has begun falling in love with her. As he also said to PK during the cafe scene, what he has with Sai is what he calls love because the feeling he has towards Sai has just continued to increase and increase. I think that cystalises in his mind by the time the anniversary track comes around, as in his dream sequence he actually confesses he loves her and when she is asleep, he confesses that he loves her, rather than is falling or starting to fall in love with her.

Love does come in different forms and emanates in different ways depending who you talk to. There will be some who have the love and passion at first sight and that is it and they will tell you that is their love. You also have people who come together (e.g. through arranged marriages) where love is not there at the start, but it grows as they get to know each other and build a life. That is what Virat's and Sai's love is for each other. They were not in love (maybe there was an attraction), but those feelings have developed as they have spent more time together and seen each other's true self. I have also seen this first hand where couples who have been together for 20-30 years who are very much in love, but did not start their marriage/relationship with love, it grew.

A consensus view emerging from the recent track is that Virat does not love Sai because of his behaviour. That may be correct, it may be not. I am not sure where I fall exactly on this topic, or if I am married to a particular view. I am leaning on, and at the moment I am of the view, that Virat does love Sai. That is likely to be a controversial opinion. I think he has previously felt what he thought to be love for PK and he knows what his feelings are for Sai. He has the information himself to know why his feelings for Sai are different to feelings he has ever felt before and why this is love. As I said above, he has felt that love increase for Sai as time has moved on. That being said, I despise his actions and conduct through the last few weeks (or one night in Ghum!) and I agree that it would be better for them to separate and for Virat to find someone with whom all this baggage does not exist and for Sai to become independent and decide how she wants to spend her life. Notwithstanding that point, I still think Virat loves Sai. This includes putting to one side that he himself and the story is that he does love her. There has been a lot of problematic conduct and toxicity from Virat's side and mistakes from Sai's side (I do not consider her to be toxic in the same way as Virat, but I do not consider her to be without flaws and not too have contributed to the misunderstandings between them), but Virat's vile conduct, unfortunately, reflects real world and the hurt that a lot of people suffer and how this leads to this type of conduct, which only comes from being hurt by someone you love. I do not think he would have treated someone he did not love the way he has been treating Sai, because he would not feel that hurt in the same way and want to push that person away. You tend to lash out the worst at the people you love and trust the most. I tentatively use PK as an example. Leaving to one side his siding with PK, which is another topic and issue in itself, he has never been so vile with PK because he never loved her so what she did never affected him in the same way. He did softly rebuke her for the Shivani track and when she made fun of Sai when UM was feeding her, but at that time he was not fully sure what he felt for her and what he was beginning to feel for Sai. The time when he was in love with Sai and he did something was on Sai's birthday, when he grabbed her. This was because she hurt Sai, who he does love so that did affect him (not defending him man handling PK, which he should not have done). The other time was post Sai's accident when he was again very rude and harsh to her (deservedly so) and told her she had such ghatia thoughts, can continue to stoop as low as she wanted, to stop her drama and that she should blame only herself for her misery. This was him lashing out in a way he had not done before with PK when she did something that deeply affected him, i.e. deliberately tried to sabotage Sai and come between them.

He is lashing out at Sai and trying to hurt her and make himself hate her because she has rejected him and his love in a way he never thought she would and he does not know how to get away from the pain he is feeling. It was one thing for her to keep saying this was a deal marriage and she would leave, but what she said to him during the anniversary track was the realisation from his side that she will never move from this position, to understand him and his love for her (again, he is to share most of the blame for this), and for her to love him. This is why when they got back, he was indifferent and trying to set the clear boundaries of not wanting her to interfere, be involved in his life, assert any right. He was trying to show her a different side to him as he had said he would and distance himself. That was as much as him building up his walls and trying to protect himself from further falling in love with her, as much as it was to show her the difference between a true deal marriage, as she keeps telling him they have, and a marriage during which he has shown and showered her with his love that he hoped she would see and understand.

Where he changed and became truly vile was post Sai cancelling his transfer. As I said, his conduct cannot be defended, but I think why his behaviour became do despicable is because of the further hurt he is going through at that stage. He needs to be away from her to recover and move on from the rejection of the only woman he has actually loved (not PK, as he knows this was attraction/infatuation/friendship) because she made it plain to him that he was never going to be her future, but she is not letting him get away. He is trying to suppress his feelings, his love and his hurt as he says to her, in his monologue and to Sunny/Samrat (Cannot remember which).This is leading to more confusion from his part again that she would do this, but then he crashes back down hard when he hears her say that she did this for the family and not because she loves him. She is asserting rights and interfering with his life where she keeps telling him she has no rights and there is no future. This immediately puts them at loggerheads, not least because of their continued misunderstandings.

As a man in love, who is deeply hurt and scorned, he can't be away from her so the only thing he can do to shield himself from the further hurt is to persuade himself that she is a problem for him and that he hates her. I think it's common place that when you fall out or are deeply hurt by the person you love the most, you start to lash out the most and everything turns into an argument and you say things that you shouldn't that you know will hurt the other person, which at the time you don't think about but you later (sometimes much late) realise that it would and that is why you said it. I'm not sure why people do or the psychology around it, but it does happen. Each time again Sai does something to remind him there is no future, she rejects his love and does not need him, it is a further bullet shot to a man that is already on life support. That is why each shot makes him angrier and lashing out more. I think this is why he goes from also at least reacting with the right expression (even if he is not saying anything, but should) and even calling her out on the one night by telling her Sai puts her down because she puts herself in that situation, but has now moved to non-expressions or even agreeing with the vile things PK is saying. He is too emotional and caught up in his own self-pity of hurt and rejection that he is not seeing the hurt his actions and lack thereof is causing Sai.

All that being said, and I am not sure I have expressed myself clearly or as eloquently as others do, but I think notwithstanding everything, including that Virat is a deeply flawed individual for a lot of reasons, I do believe he does love Sai. As I have said above thought, love in itself is not everything and does not mean they should be together. Love is not enough in itself, there needs to be respect and trust. This is something Virat knows himself. The trust part is debateable, but there is definitely no respect at this time coming from him, so that is why I do not think they should be together, but that does mean I don't think he loves her, I think he does.

Okay, a different POV from what I have been reading these days and I agree with most of your points.

When I say Sunny prompted and put the thought of love in his head is that during Holi he just goes from pasand to pyaar in a span of 5-10 minutes under the effect of bhang (don't remember exactly, but yeah it was kinda abrupt), tried to confess whole day, romances with her and what he does at night, throws her out of the house without any concern of her safety. Sunny has been really influential in Virat's life, he was the one who told him that P loves him, he was the one who told him to confess his love on Holi day by feeding him bhaang wali bhajiya, then again after Vaada fight before hospital visit, Virat says Sai would never love him but Sunny tells him to observe her expressions, he starts doing that... Sunny tells him to plan anniversary, he does, so he is really influential on Virat in that sense. Many things don't strike Virat without getting prompted.

As I said in between the couples, many times, that kuch is there. It might not be love, it might just be a feeling of companionship, a habit. At this point whether Sai-Virat are in love is controversial, because there might be feelings, but there is no respect, no trust, there is no concern for your younger spouse who is alone in the world... On top of that you are wishing a life full of hardships for her. You don't do that for your friends too, so how can you do for the love of your life.

Also, I understand this aloofness, the fights, the hurt, showing different face, everything but I will never understand the idea of including the third angle into your fights and siding with her knowing very well her motives. I won't understand the concept for 'Hum' for you and the third person and 'ye ladki' for one's wife, of planning a trip with her late at night, when you know that your wife has her own suspicions about you and her. I know he is using P to get back at S, but somewhere the line has been crossed. I started having problem with way too much indulgence with P in this track. You don't talk where required, are fiercely protective of your bhabhi, show disgusted expressions to your wife is too much to take, whether it is to check the reaction of Sai or something else, but all this is too much. The way he talks takes into garb the Pakhi factor, where it gives hopes to P for re-uniting, gives S the picture that P is still important, while it's about him and his feelings only.

I know he cannot be indifferent to Sai. He said that she had no rights on him, somewhere, expected her to fight for her rights. But in turn she turned indifferent and revoked his husbandly rights, which was again too much for him, he never expected it, that too in front of P. It hit his ego somewhere, where she can say that look I was right. Then he goes the next morning in the lock-up drama, that I will use my husband rights. It's like what she thinks of herself, how dare she give up her rights on me. Another blow was when she escaped. It's like his wife, his right, his control, no one has no rights to question it.

This is also established that he does not care much about Pakhi's feelings, Sam's feelings or Devi tai's feelings but does he really cares about Sai's feelings. He comes across a self absorbent guy, with negative emotional quotient at the moment. Things have really gotten vile at the moment in the serial.

Also, when I say love it means unconditional love, the love where he promised to wait for a lifetime for her to realise her feelings, where he told Pakhi that he would never force her, embarass her if she doesn't respond to his feelings and what we see is now a vengeful guy who cannot take a rejection, who had an idea that the surprise could go wrong before taking her to the anniversary venue. The Virat shown till anniversary was shown as a patient, sensible guy, where did he go. Being indifferent and vile are two different things. Sai showed before leaving how one could be indifferent but respectful. It's more of a conditional thing that I have done so much, you need to return, it's realistic but a bit heavy to take when a TV series hero does that. It is also a given fact that no one loves you unconditionally apart from your parents.

Sai is his wife, he has all the rights on her, like he owns her. She can have independent mind but be dependent on him. It hurts him when she said that he no longer has to take her Zimmedaari or took back financial documents, when she took Devi tai's help and did not inform him or wrote a letter for Ashwini aai. It should be all about him. His feelings are ten times more in situations where normally he behaved well because it's His wife, Sai Virat Chavan. However, at the moment it looks more of wife than love.

That one night was stretched so much that it actually reached the threshold of patience and you start doubting the so called declarations of love. Then you think about what all he has done till date for Sai, it's more of materialistic things he has done... When she says on her birthday that V sir celebrated her birthday out of pity because she is orphan you feel he should retort with no you are my wife but he feels proud of that.

Originally posted by: Moonks

Yr itna sad to mujhe apni life ke sabse important exam mein fail hone pe feel nhi hua, jis pr meri puri life dependent thi jitna isko sai k uninterested mood pe ho rha hai, pyaar hai ho jayega dheere dheere, ab har koi uski tarah 2 seconds mein pyaar nhi kr skta hai

Na hua 5 years me bhi aur vo independent hokar kisi Ajinkya jaise ke saath chali gayi to, risk nahi lene ka 😂 Sabse badi problem ye Pakhi didi rahengi to kaise hoga pyaar.

Originally posted by: nikita05

Na hua 5 years me bhi aur vo independent hokar kisi Ajinkya jaise ke saath chali gayi to, risk nahi lene ka 😂 Sabse badi problem ye Pakhi didi rahengi to kaise hoga pyaar.

Na hua bhi to kya zabardasti pyaar nhi samjhauta hota hai

Originally posted by: Moonks

Na hua bhi to kya zabardasti pyaar nhi samjhauta hota hai

Samjhaute wale shaadi ka samjhaute wala pyaar 😎, mast ha mast 👌