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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

But if she was his equal as his wife, he'd allow her to have expectations of him too. Now only he has all these expectations of her but as soon as Sai demands clarity, asks questions, he gets uncomfortable and shuts down almost as if to say- who are you to have any expectations from me- your caretaker.


And somewhere there is this sense of being "powerful" coz Sai has no family to ask him anything. No parents, sibling, aunt/uncle who will ask him anything. His family doesn't say anything when they are seeing that Sairat are not on good terms. The only people who have tried to say something are Shivani, sunny, samrat - n so far all of them have been talking only to Sai, not to virat.

Agree! He is doing nothing positive. Just replied something similar to msin post above

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Hi Sadhika 😊

Don't see you here too often like before....



Just wanted to say.... Hey !

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Hi Sadhika 😊

Don't see you here too often like before....



Just wanted to say.... Hey !

hey nethraa! Thanks yaar. Feels good if someone remembers!!



I was lying low to not cause any friction in the forum with my unwanted opinion 😟Just in the EDT.

I was also trying to underStand virats behavior and I feel connected to lakshmis explanation today so felt confident to put forth my thoughts.


lately the episodes are also too stretching and boring that I don’t feel motivated to write . Just followimg some posts in Neerjas daily review topic!


thanks again


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Posted: 4 years ago
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Very beautiful post made with a lot of conviction ...

Thankful to you for making this post.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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You have summed up his mindset and POV perfectly..

As you mentioned this time he went too far, showing no remorse, justifying his actions and inflicting pain… He always had his flaws but he was always apologetic.

Leena wanted to show his complex psyche and hurt male ego..but by showing an IPS officer manhandling and locking his wife, she butchered his character..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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All I want to say is there will be two sides for a coin. You dared to see the other side of the coin by spending time ....

At this point of time anything positive to speak about Virat might cause friction in forum that is what I felt ..and stayed away to the best of my ability but an analysis coming from you got me back to commenting here.

Loved many parts of your post.

Keeping away the judgement about his actions,Virat has valid reasons to behave the way he does according to him. Every human will have. He is no exception.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Great analysis laksh...Must have been hard for you considering how the show has been going and how Virat is being portrayed... I guess recently my viewpoints got changed that Virat is being butchered... Seems like he has always been like that only ..when in anger he has no control over his emotions and he seems to have no sense of right and wrong... I cringe at the word discipline used as a replacement for abuse that he did... I have too many instances with my partner where we do tell each other about how one has to work on this aspect...bring discipline in that aspect...Never did I think they could bring discipline this way...but anyway looks like that was the only way to replace "saashan" which was used by Rono originally in the show and he mentioned how no one can stop him from regulating and doing "saashan" on his wife..

Thankyou for writing up this lovely writeup Lakshmi...and it seems this time I failed to see it in Virat...somewhere it lacked...either the director or the actor .This time he did outperform the script..He has been absolutely average in the last three-four episodes... I could not see much that you have mentioned in Virat...as far as performance is concerned ..Dialogues anyway of this show are otherwise...

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

I understood his pov in terms of being hurt. I understood his indifference. I understood that he wants Sai to understand that their relationship has always been much more than mere zimmedari/deal. He wants Sai to understand that he clearly cares more than just out of obligation, he cares as a husband. All that I do understand.

But its hard to feel his anger/hurt/pain when he crosses a limit especially because i genuinely have high expectations from an ACP. And his anger towards Sai misunderstanding him doesn't explain why is he so blind to pp's actions/behavior. He has first hand seen her ridiculousness. So how can he overlook all that just to join her in taunting his own wife. Just because he is pissed at Sai, doesn't mean he can allow everyone else to say whatever they please to Sai. That one aspect bothers me. I wish he had continued his angsty cold war with Sai while still maintaining a certain decorum, while still being protective of her, while still respecting her as an individual n not allowing anyone to mudsling her. Pre love realization, i thought ok virat does not stop pp because he still hasnt come to terms with his feelings but now post realization of love for Sai, its very sad to see him be a mute spectator.

When Sai went missing briefly in Mahabaleshwar, we saw that- he was pissed at her, but you can see his worry, his concern for Sai n when Sai came back you see his love n concern oozing out of him even in his anger. But now, you only see ego/arrogance. You dont see the love. Thats my issue. He's the same guy that told pp that if Sai didn't love him back, he wouldn't berate her or make her feel sharminda about it but he is doing exactly that. As a viewer it looks like, he is punishing her coz he feels that she doesn't love him back like he does. N even that is backfiring because Sai is not even seeing it as gussa/hurt towards HER- because if she understood that he was angry AT her, she'd want to fix it. Like when he fell sick. That day she felt like he was angry at her, hence rejecting her care, preventing her from taking care of him- so she went above n beyond to manao him, showed her love/concern despite him being angry at her n she kinda did apologize because she acknowledged that shes not easy to live with given how temperamental she can get, or how short tempered she is. Even when he knocked the bowl of food she made, Sai took it all silently. She behaved exactly like Virat has done in the past when Sai has been angry with him.

But now Sai doesn't even see his actions/words as anger directed AT her. She sees it as a projection. She thinks he is upset about pp moving on with his brother Samrat n is feeling helpless and angry at the situation n he is projecting that on Sai because he can "afford" to coz she knows the full truth anyway.

Its such a twisted mess. I really want to believe that the virat i loved is still there in him but every character can get only so many passes- n virat has kinda exhausted them. Its only because I know that Sai loves him that I can probably give him one last chance but Virat as a character has been potrayed in a way where i no longer feel any empathy for him. Sai in all her brashness n unruliness has somehow never crossed certain lines that virat has....i think virat has been able to do that only because he seems to be the guy with more "power" in their dynamic. By virtue of being older, financially independent- he has assumed the role of guardian/protector/rule maker in their relationship. And he operates in extremes of emotion. Either he is this patient, responsible guy who will take everything calmly or he is this crazed , raging bull who goes overboard. If their equation had more "equality" it may have been more balanced perhaps- hard to say. Sai is far too analytical in her behavior despite actually being very sensitive n emotional at heart whereas Virat is far too emotional, despite the ips officer brains in him probably trying to tell him to analyze the situation. If he analyzed things he'd know how to convince Sai he has moved on. And if Sai allowed her emotions to show , she'd be able to show Virat that she's on the same boat as him.


What happens in KD when sai announces that she is leaving the house ?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

I understood his pov in terms of being hurt. I understood his indifference. I understood that he wants Sai to understand that their relationship has always been much more than mere zimmedari/deal. He wants Sai to understand that he clearly cares more than just out of obligation, he cares as a husband. All that I do understand.

But its hard to feel his anger/hurt/pain when he crosses a limit especially because i genuinely have high expectations from an ACP. And his anger towards Sai misunderstanding him doesn't explain why is he so blind to pp's actions/behavior. He has first hand seen her ridiculousness. So how can he overlook all that just to join her in taunting his own wife. Just because he is pissed at Sai, doesn't mean he can allow everyone else to say whatever they please to Sai. That one aspect bothers me. I wish he had continued his angsty cold war with Sai while still maintaining a certain decorum, while still being protective of her, while still respecting her as an individual n not allowing anyone to mudsling her. Pre love realization, i thought ok virat does not stop pp because he still hasnt come to terms with his feelings but now post realization of love for Sai, its very sad to see him be a mute spectator.

When Sai went missing briefly in Mahabaleshwar, we saw that- he was pissed at her, but you can see his worry, his concern for Sai n when Sai came back you see his love n concern oozing out of him even in his anger. But now, you only see ego/arrogance. You dont see the love. Thats my issue. He's the same guy that told pp that if Sai didn't love him back, he wouldn't berate her or make her feel sharminda about it but he is doing exactly that. As a viewer it looks like, he is punishing her coz he feels that she doesn't love him back like he does. N even that is backfiring because Sai is not even seeing it as gussa/hurt towards HER- because if she understood that he was angry AT her, she'd want to fix it. Like when he fell sick. That day she felt like he was angry at her, hence rejecting her care, preventing her from taking care of him- so she went above n beyond to manao him, showed her love/concern despite him being angry at her n she kinda did apologize because she acknowledged that shes not easy to live with given how temperamental she can get, or how short tempered she is. Even when he knocked the bowl of food she made, Sai took it all silently. She behaved exactly like Virat has done in the past when Sai has been angry with him.

But now Sai doesn't even see his actions/words as anger directed AT her. She sees it as a projection. She thinks he is upset about pp moving on with his brother Samrat n is feeling helpless and angry at the situation n he is projecting that on Sai because he can "afford" to coz she knows the full truth anyway.

Its such a twisted mess. I really want to believe that the virat i loved is still there in him but every character can get only so many passes- n virat has kinda exhausted them. Its only because I know that Sai loves him that I can probably give him one last chance but Virat as a character has been potrayed in a way where i no longer feel any empathy for him. Sai in all her brashness n unruliness has somehow never crossed certain lines that virat has....i think virat has been able to do that only because he seems to be the guy with more "power" in their dynamic. By virtue of being older, financially independent- he has assumed the role of guardian/protector/rule maker in their relationship. And he operates in extremes of emotion. Either he is this patient, responsible guy who will take everything calmly or he is this crazed , raging bull who goes overboard. If their equation had more "equality" it may have been more balanced perhaps- hard to say. Sai is far too analytical in her behavior despite actually being very sensitive n emotional at heart whereas Virat is far too emotional, despite the ips officer brains in him probably trying to tell him to analyze the situation. If he analyzed things he'd know how to convince Sai he has moved on. And if Sai allowed her emotions to show , she'd be able to show Virat that she's on the same boat as him.

I agree with everything you have said. I too have similar views on this.

@bokd No it doesn’t. That is why I had mentioned in one of my comments that I want Sai to divorce him. He has a protective instinct for Pakhi which doesn’t look pleasant at all. I am not saying that he loves Pakhi or there is any romantic inclination towards her but he will always protect her I guess.

What I feel or have understood is that he doesn’t have any feelings for Pakhi but Pakhi is similar to him in many ways and he is able to relate to her. Also, if you notice that in the cafe too he was about to walk out getting irritated with her attitude of not giving up on him. He didn’t feel it right and he was fed up that even after all this she keeps bringing up a past which he refuses to accept since he has realised that they never really shared anything but it was just an infatuation for him.

But that day in the cafe I feel that a few things had changed. He couldn’t help but feel sorry after she started to act too desperate. She had said that she would do anything to be with him and he could understand that she was completely lost. Virat could see a girl who had given up everything including her own self respect in her obsession. He could see a girl who was willing to forego everything and he didn’t quite like that. He has seen her to be an independent person and he had a good impression about her, had high regards of her but she was behaving like a lost person and I believe that stirred him up. It had started to make him sympathise her ever since. Be if at his room or pool or in his room too, he has been strict with her all the time, he has been ruthless and drawn lines with her and he never sympathised with her the way he did ever since the cafe meet. I think it had also got to do with the fact that his brother did not go MIA but instead had abandoned her because of their past. So Pakhi didn’t even get a chance to move on like how he had got. She was stuck in this position because of him in a way. He holds himself responsible towards how she is today. I feel that is the reason why he started to feel sorry for her. That is the reason he wants her and Samrat to sort everything between them and begin a new life. That is the reason he doesn’t like Sai too speaking anything against Pakhi. He holds himself responsible for where and how she is today. He doesn’t want to think that Pakhi is a person with a loose character but the situations has or is making her lose her sanity and behave this way. She never really got a chance in her life to set things straight but instead kept pursuing him. I think he feels that she has kind of gone mad and needs help. He is able to see a helpless and hopeless person within her too. Anyone who begs like that in a cafe, how does it look? That shows how helpless they are feeling, how desperate they are. How they have lost all their senses. I think that is why he had started fo deal with Pakhi a little different from then onwards. But even then he always wanted her to stay in her lines and had glared at her without trusting her whenever she went close to him.


@green I agree. Absolutely not, he can’t let people attack her because he is angry or upset with Sai, that behaviour or nature of his is really horrible. That is and will always mean that Sai will be at loss because of this kind of nature of his.


@blue That is the thing. It comes across as him punishing her but he actually isn’t. People do get hurt but the way they express their hurt matters a lot. In his hurt, he has completely lost his sense of judgement, lost his sanity and is behaving in a way one shouldn’t. He has become too impatient and desperate that he doesn’t even understand what he is doing. We all know how he has never had control over his emotions when he gets hurt. Also, I must add that the toxicity that he has seen in his house, has also got passed to him. He has also developed some wrong qualities within him without him being aware of it.

From how it looks, the desperation or the impatience is not because he has waited enough but also out of fear, out insecurity if she would never realise or never feel for him the way he feels for her. He is worried if after all these too if she is not able to feel anything for him, realise his feelings for her, if she would ever be able to feel or realise. It has started to bother him so much that he has let his emotions overpower all his senses.

I can explain his state of mind but that doesn’t mean that it is easy. Sai will be paying a price since he is not able to control his emotions and that is the sad truth.


@red Exactly, she did. She also knew that it was time for her to mellow down, for her to soothe him but she wasn’t prepared for this behaviour from him. She did take it even though she hasn’t seen this side of his. They haven’t stayed in the same house and same room with this kind of behaviour from him. This is the first for her and she did handle it but only until she saw him with Pakhi at the cafe. That just caused more issues between the two. That created another misunderstanding between them. She misunderstood the hand holding to be something else and in the anger and hurt he was, he refused to clarify it to her. This is where the issue is. He had let his ego surface at the wrong time. He could have tried to make her feel better by sharing or revealing the truth but he refused to. He had made up his mind that he will not give her any explanations to her especially when she keeps calling and considering it to be a deal marriage. In a way that is how people would react or think right? Like when she thinks it to be a deal marriage, why should I be clearing it to her. He will be thinking, let her first accept the marriage, ask me questions with the rights of a wife, then I will answer her.

It is a twisted mess. Both want the same but aren’t communicating to each other the way they should.


@purple I agree to this to some extent Neeraja. I look at it a little differently here. Virat has been able to do this not because he has power but because he has no power, he has no control over his emotions especially when it is about Sai. He is feeling helpless. He is desperate. On the other hand Sai has been able to do it because she has been able to stay strong. Even if she wants something else, she has the will to mask it and act as if it doesn’t bother her at all. She has also lost it but she has stopped herself right at time so that he doesn’t come to know that she is affected. More than anything else, they are different individuals. She has control over her emotions and hence her actions too but he doesn’t.

I do agree about his age and role of guardian playing a role. I have always felt that he uses it for his advantage sometimes. It worked in the past but this time she is financially independent and that is why when she was about to leave the house, he had started to behave irrationally. Unlike last time during the PD lunch incident, he knows this time that she will leave the house and never look back. He has seen how in GC she had refused to return. He knows that if he lets her go now, he would lose her forever.


@last red You have written this beautifully.


A friend of mine did tell one point that Samrat could see through Virat and that is the reason he told Virat that he could have explained to Sai in any other way. His approach to this issue is not right. It will help if he changes it. And as you have said, it will also help if Sai allows herself to show her emotions.

Edited by laksh - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: sadiltl

Lakshmi you are really brave enough to write and Analyze virats feelings at this hour of discomfort with his behavior.


I have several points in your post where I said ‘yes that’s what I feel’. 👍🏼 You superbly analyzed every single thought he might have had!!! Awesome.


My confusion initially was whether virat was doing all this intentionally because he promised himself after Anniversary fiasco that he would not tie down sai and also warmed her that he would show his other side. But, the reality kicks in and his hurt superseded all his intentions. I totally see his hurt! His trigger points are 1. Sai disowning him. 2. Sai leaving him and the biggest one 3. Sai suspecting his feelings. This time she did all 3. She said he has lost all the rights on her!!! And what did he say the next morning? That he will show all his rights on her!!! That’s where your explanation above beautifully fitted. He is pushing her too much so she will understand the pain he is going through and yes, she is going through the same pain !!! But her way of showing pain is different. With the handholding not resolved she sees everything with tainted glasses!! And he is not willing to budge down to her… he is testing her as you said, to see how far she can go away from him. This means that, he somewhere understands that if Sai’s misunderstanding is cleared , she will see him through?! At this point He wants to see her breakdown for him, just like he is breaking down inside!!! This IS toxic but not unreal . People hurt each other to see how much they love!! It’s a paradox unfortunately 😢


I think he will stop this only if she comes running to him or his love for her overpowers his selfishness.

According to KD, he will decide to let her free only after the second accident I guess!! I don’t know how they show it here.

Ps: your post is so well organized that I felt like reading a psychology excerpt. Thanks for the post.



I didn’t analyse anything Sadhika 😊. I have felt these but could not put them in words. I just replied to a friend who wanted to know. So thought of posting it here too.


@bold This time, he doesn’t want to budge. He somewhere wants her to accept that it affects her and then question him. He wants to clear the misunderstanding only if she asks as a wife and not as a wife in deal marriage.

I also feel that he doesn’t want to share whatever happened at the cafe. He doesn’t want to reveal what Pakhi spoke. Sai already has issues with Pakhi and he probably don’t want to reveal it to Sai for her to blurt it out or get angry at Pakhi. He fails to understand that in relationships, there should be no secret. He has to completely honest with her and cannot protect his friend hiding the truth from his wife. He shouldn’t be thinking about the consequences but just be honest with his partner if he wants things to go smooth between him and his partner. Trust has to be earned and if he hides truth, then it will become for her to ever trust him. He will make her feel insecured by protecting Pakhi like this.


@blue I am sorry but I don’t agree to this. I don’t see that he is expecting her to break down. I can only see that he is expecting her to reconsider her feelings and accept this marriage as a real marriage. He wants her to see that he is hurt and the reason behind the hurt. She had hurt him and hasn’t even realised it which bothers him a lot. Not just that, he also wants her to try and understand him.


Let’s wait and watch 😊.

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