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Originally posted by: Newbiewriter30

This part is not true. Dev did struggle a lot, he used to work part time to shoulder responsibilities of the household, right from the time his father died, around 8-10 years of age. He used to deliver newspapers and do jobs like that.

Many ppl work hard to meet their ends. All don't crib like esh n dev that they struggled all the time. Infact ppl will b proud to remember their struggle n their acheivement.

And news paper distribution is only few hours work. Don't we see, every day boys doing this. But I hv not seen them crying at all. And don't make it like big favour to family. Here mother n son feels, they did big favour to raise their own family.

My father came to city from village without anything n he slept on news paper infront of shops(probably he was 13 or 14 then).. But slowly he made it good if not big. Whatever he earned he used to send it to his mother. But I hv never seen him cribbing for his difficulties. Infact sometimes he used say it was thrilling. It is again individual perspective even with lil money he knew to be happy.

Earning money is far more easier than raising children(my personal experience). The real hard work is making children eat n study. That part I really struggled. Motherhood is not easy. Thats why i guage neha had upper hand in struggle. She herself was child n how much she must hv struggled n how much she must hv felt bad as she never got opportunity like dev. I am not saying dev did not work hard. But neha had 24×7 work than dev. Since cvs keep on stressing on dev hardship(just like sanj bomb), ppl think he struggled more. But I doubt, they ever show how neha struggled more. Gungan main lead ka hota he, n not side character. 😆

She had her share of struggles yes , but a good mother . Not really ! She's extremely self centred and delusional . Not a good trait for a mother to have . She doesn't share a healthy relationship with any of her kids and all her kids are emotionally handicapped and damaged, speaks a lot of her as a mother .

Whether Neha's marriage to Ranveer or Dev's marriage to Sona , the only goal of Ishwari was to get her kids their favourite toy so that she doesn't lose the godly status . It was Ishwari's responsibility to warn Neha of the consequences of not marrying within their class and what the marriage entails . She didn't , GKB did .

In Dev's case too , my kid wants this favourite candy let me get him that at all costs was Ishwari's modus . It was her job to tell Dev of the consequences of marrying a woman who is so different from his world . She didn't again because that again would pull her a notch lower In Dev's eyes .

Originally posted by: tamanna2391

She had her share of struggles yes , but a good mother . Not really ! She's extremely self centred and delusional . Not a good trait for a mother to have . She doesn't share a healthy relationship with any of her kids and all her kids are emotionally handicapped and damaged, speaks a lot of her as a mother .

Whether Neha's marriage to Ranveer or Dev's marriage to Sona , the only goal of Ishwari was to get her kids their favourite toy so that she doesn't lose the godly status . It was Ishwari's responsibility to warn Neha of the consequences of not marrying within their class and what the marriage entails . She didn't , GKB did .

In Dev's case too , my kid wants this favourite candy let me get him that at all costs was Ishwari's modus . It was her job to tell Dev of the consequences of marrying a woman who is so different from his world . She didn't again because that again would pull her a notch lower In Dev's eyes .

I understand that she has a lot of flaws, never denied any of those. She was focused on getting Dev the best of everything, so he would be able to get them out of their tough times. As I have said before, she is patriarchal in her outlook.

But she did have her good moments too. No matter what, the girls do love their mother. It was only because of her obsession for Dev and everything Dev-related that we think of her in such negative terms. When it came to Neha, she was wrong in not giving enough love and attention to her. She could afford to send one kid to a nicer school and chose Dev. Was it unfair? Yes of course it was very unfair. But she made a choice. Life dealt her some cards and she, on the basis of her conservative outlook and mindset, chose a direction. More than the education and opportunities, where she truly failed Neha was acknowledging and appreciating the sacrifices that Neha also made. She failed in showering Neha with the same amount of love as Dev. The younger two girls, even though, don't hold the same position as Dev in her eyes, don't resent it as much, because their situations had already started to get better and Neha used to tend to them.

Regarding Neha's marriage to Ranveer: Ishwari and Dev held a certain amount of guilt regarding Neha. So when she saw Neha so happy, she wanted her to have that happiness. Ishwari genuinely didn't know Neha was having reservations about the small house and lowered financial stability, because every time they talked about it, Neha only wanted Ranveer. In fact, Neha even was willing to relax the children condition with Ranveer. That was big for Ishwari. She liked Ranveer, was happy for Neha. Ranveer was a decent guy and she believed Neha would be happy with him.

Ishwari's hypocrisy came out when Dev went through the same and wanted to marry his love. She was terrible that whole sequence because of her own insecurities. Won't go into that, because everyone knows her horrible behavior in that phase.

S1 Ishwari was a proper grey shaded character, with both positives and negatives. She was never an out-and-out vamp person. I will not comment on S3 Ishwari because I have no idea what she is🤷‍♀️

Originally posted by: Hari73

Many ppl work hard to meet their ends. All don't crib like esh n dev that they struggled all the time. Infact ppl will b proud to remember their struggle n their acheivement.

And news paper distribution is only few hours work. Don't we see, every day boys doing this. But I hv not seen them crying at all. And don't make it like big favour to family. Here mother n son feels, they did big favour to raise their own family.

My father came to city from village without anything n he slept on news paper infront of shops(probably he was 13 or 14 then).. But slowly he made it good if not big. Whatever he earned he used to send it to his mother. But I hv never seen him cribbing for his difficulties. Infact sometimes he used say it was thrilling. It is again individual perspective even with lil money he knew to be happy.

Earning money is far more easier than raising children(my personal experience). The real hard work is making children eat n study. That part I really struggled. Motherhood is not easy. Thats why i guage neha had upper hand in struggle. She herself was child n how much she must hv struggled n how much she must hv felt bad as she never got opportunity like dev. I am not saying dev did not work hard. But neha had 24×7 work than dev. Since cvs keep on stressing on dev hardship(just like sanj bomb), ppl think he struggled more. But I doubt, they ever show how neha struggled more. Gungan main lead ka hota he, n not side character. 😆

I think that is the whole crux of the matter in season 1. The Dixits were more or less stuck in the past. We see that over and over. Ishwari liked to remember every single thing that happened and Dev, even if wanted to look ahead, was dragged back. Dev never moved on himself also, keeping all those old things for years, reminding himself, guilting himself into working harder. Neha was bitter about everything that happened and never let Dev or Ishwari forget it for one single second.

Essentially, the Dixits would have done better if they had learnt from their struggles and moved on, appreciating their present lives. But they did live in the past, which led to a lot of issues in the present.

Originally posted by: Newbiewriter30

I think that is the whole crux of the matter in season 1. The Dixits were more or less stuck in the past. We see that over and over. Ishwari liked to remember every single thing that happened and Dev, even if wanted to look ahead, was dragged back. Dev never moved on himself also, keeping all those old things for years, reminding himself, guilting himself into working harder. Neha was bitter about everything that happened and never let Dev or Ishwari forget it for one single second.

Essentially, the Dixits would have done better if they had learnt from their struggles and moved on, appreciating their present lives. But they did live in the past, which led to a lot of issues in the present.

They made their poverty like punishment. I used to feel ppl who are in jail also won't crib this much..

Neha as a character had so much potential which the writers destroyed post Dev-Sona's marriage. And given the writing this season, I have no hopes of them showing anything decent involving her. When S1 started, Neha was one of my favourite characters. I loved her dynamic with both Dev & Ishwari. Dev was eternally over compensating (to the extent that he was willing to marry this random girl so that Neha's marriage happens), Ishwari loved Neha yet her Dev obsession always stopped her from actually getting through to her and Neha was bitter & threw tantrums because her struggles weren't being acknowledged. All this could have been dealt with well but the writers lost the plot after a while

Originally posted by: Hari73

Many ppl work hard to meet their ends. All don't crib like esh n dev that they struggled all the time. Infact ppl will b proud to remember their struggle n their acheivement.

And news paper distribution is only few hours work. Don't we see, every day boys doing this. But I hv not seen them crying at all. And don't make it like big favour to family. Here mother n son feels, they did big favour to raise their own family.

My father came to city from village without anything n he slept on news paper infront of shops(probably he was 13 or 14 then).. But slowly he made it good if not big. Whatever he earned he used to send it to his mother. But I hv never seen him cribbing for his difficulties. Infact sometimes he used say it was thrilling. It is again individual perspective even with lil money he knew to be happy.

Earning money is far more easier than raising children(my personal experience). The real hard work is making children eat n study. That part I really struggled. Motherhood is not easy. Thats why i guage neha had upper hand in struggle. She herself was child n how much she must hv struggled n how much she must hv felt bad as she never got opportunity like dev. I am not saying dev did not work hard. But neha had 24×7 work than dev. Since cvs keep on stressing on dev hardship(just like sanj bomb), ppl think he struggled more. But I doubt, they ever show how neha struggled more. Gungan main lead ka hota he, n not side character. 😆

I disagree. From how I personally saw it, Dev, Ishwari & Neha struggled equally until Dev made it big. Like someone said, Ishwari did not have the option of sending two kids to school at that point so she sent Dev (he was brighter & he was a boy & her own bias probably) & she had to work all day to make ends meet so Neha ended up bearing the brunt and taking care of the kids. Dev had to study well (under insane amount of pressure), do so many side jobs for hours after school (newspaper delivery was just one of them) & also help his mother. During that accident sequence, Dev had mentioned how they struggled to even have food on many days & he was also bullied at school for wearing tattered clothes. Ishwari on the other hand must have had her own share of struggles while working as a maid (for example, her character was questioned because she wore a tattered blouse to work & then fired). Neha of course must have hated not going to school & also had to take care of her sisters at a young age. All three struggled & it's obvious you can't forget it soon. Yes there are ppl who go through even more horrible stuff in the world but for everyone, their own struggles are a big deal.

Also, I think Dev has acknowledged how much Neha suffered multiple times. Even when Neha got married, Dev told Sona he feels he hasn't done enough for Neha. He has also given in to all her demands (even unfair ones like forcing Ranveer to take the job or buy him a flat).

The problem was that they never tried to come out of it & be happy. Whenever Dev tried, Ishwari pulled him back by guilt tripping him about it. For example, when Dev & Sona were supposed to go for the honeymoon, Ishwari almost fainted and then told him how he is so happy in his life that he forgot how Neha who sacrificed so much for him, is unhappy. And that's all it took for him to cancel the honeymoon. With Neha again, they could have shown how she finally found happiness in Ranveer (even without a child) & that could have been good enough but they dropped that track in btw. Anyway, IMO, all three suffered but Ishwari's bias messed up both the kids in different ways & she also suffered in the process

Originally posted by: GoodVibes1010

I disagree. From how I personally saw it, Dev, Ishwari & Neha struggled equally until Dev made it big. Like someone said, Ishwari did not have the option of sending two kids to school at that point so she sent Dev (he was brighter & he was a boy & her own bias probably) & she had to work all day to make ends meet so Neha ended up bearing the brunt and taking care of the kids. Dev had to study well (under insane amount of pressure), do so many side jobs for hours after school (newspaper delivery was just one of them) & also help his mother. During that accident sequence, Dev had mentioned how they struggled to even have food on many days & he was also bullied at school for wearing tattered clothes. Ishwari on the other hand must have had her own share of struggles while working as a maid (for example, her character was questioned because she wore a tattered blouse to work & then fired). Neha of course must have hated not going to school & also had to take care of her sisters at a young age. All three struggled & it's obvious you can't forget it soon. Yes there are ppl who go through even more horrible stuff in the world but for everyone, their own struggles are a big deal.

Also, I think Dev has acknowledged how much Neha suffered multiple times. Even when Neha got married, Dev told Sona he feels he hasn't done enough for Neha. He has also given in to all her demands (even unfair ones like forcing Ranveer to take the job or buy him a flat).

The problem was that they never tried to come out of it & be happy. Whenever Dev tried, Ishwari pulled him back by guilt tripping him about it. For example, when Dev & Sona were supposed to go for the honeymoon, Ishwari almost fainted and then told him how he is so happy in his life that he forgot how Neha who sacrificed so much for him, is unhappy. And that's all it took for him to cancel the honeymoon. With Neha again, they could have shown how she finally found happiness in Ranveer (even without a child) & that could have been good enough but they dropped that track in btw. Anyway, IMO, all three suffered but Ishwari's bias messed up both the kids in different ways & she also suffered in the process

Bold 1: I agree with this. Each of them was going through their own personal hell, and needed to strike gold somehow to come out of it. Dev was the one to achieve that, and get them all out. However they were physically better off, but some mental scars remain forever. This was the case with all the three Dixits.

Bold 2: As I said, mental scars remain until one tries to actively deal with them and overcome. Even then, one may not be successful. Dev was the one who, through Sona, got a chance to live and see the world through a more happier and rosy lens. But Ishwari never let him, guilting him to sacrifice his little pleasures.

Originally posted by: Newbiewriter30

After Devakshi wedding, two very interesting characters were destroyed, one was Neha, the other was Elena.

This analysis was so beautifully written, and I'm so glad you brought up Elena! Elena was such a fascinating character, if only they had fleshed out her role more. I loved her little banter with Sourab and Sona, and her equation with the rest of the Boses. Her dating around, and just casually fooling around was so fun to watch, but omg post marriage? First of all, what did she even see in Vicky? He stalked her for a bit, and then she fell in love with him? At what point did that even happen? Including some weirdo kidnap incident, that track was so random.

Even after her eloping and marrying him, she still had some sense of character, and the Bose sisters being together was treat enough. But post leap Elena with the same weird patiala and kurta outfit in 3 colours is the Rainbow Dev of season 1. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Just walking around giving stupid advice and singing bhajans about Dev Bhai. How unfortunate what they did to her character, the fun, smiley, badass Elena.

Originally posted by: NotAMuggle

I do too. I feel that for a poor, uneducated, widowed woman with 4 children to bring up, she did her best. Her best was not enough for the children's well being, but she tried best to her abilities. During that phase of her life, she was not cunning or manipulative. Careless & not so understanding maybe, but she intentionally didn't mean harm. She started being problematic later. After Dev made it big. All those praises that she has made Dev big & Dev's continuous chant Maa tu hi mera Bhagwan hai gave her a superiority complex & she truly started believing she was the God of Dev's life and she owns him. So she had the full right to make Dev dance to her tunes. And Dev was only pleased to do that so she got used to it. When Sonakshi came along, she didn't like the idea that another person may have the same power she has over him. For her, Dev had become this prized toy she has bought with her whole life's savings, so only she gets to play with him.

That is 100% true. No denying there. She totally destroyed Neha's life to build Dev's. But to be totally practical, she didn't have any other options. They were poor & she needed to work as much as she could to place food on the table. She couldn't afford to sit at home & take care of Rhea & Nikki herself. So Neha had to take care of them. She couldn't have done so if she went to school. I kind of understand why she sacrificed Neha's childhood. Because she had no other way out. But I resent her for not acknowledging the sacrifice Neha made & being so obsessed with Dev totally sidelining Neha. I wouldn't have disliked her this much had she said the 3 of them struggled & worked hard to overcome the hardship. She should have focused on Neha when she finally had the means,i.e., once Dev started making money. She could have tried to get Neha education & diplomas privately and tried to make up for her lost days. But she never bothered. It's almost like she used her & then forgot all about her 😑

Bold blue: exactly. She didn't intend to harm anyone and genuinely tried to do her best, within her capabilities and resources. She had to have a lot of determination, to make sure Dev studied hard enough and pull through. Once he did, all the accolades with Dev putting her on a pedestal, made her think she owns him and she knows best for him. She never asked him what he wanted. And as finally Dev lashed out to her, "You taught me my responsibilities but never asked me my opinion and wishes." This was what happened.

Red Bold: Right. She was at the crossroads of her life, where she had to make a choice with the options that she had. So she picked Dev to go school and she herself was out working all day long, leaving Neha to take care of the little ones. She didn't have any other choice. I sympathize with her here. But as I wrote, she needed to acknowledge Neha's contributions too and if she had loved Neha as much as she loved Dev, I don't think Neha would have been as bitter and resentful. She just got irked by the mother-son bond as they appreciated each other and forgot about her.