Past life stories - Page 5

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

First of all I only shared the Islamic Philo and secondly None of this is propaganda and false information. You can check everything online(the tribes I mentioned)and verify the information that has been shared by me. There is no need to be disrespectful, I never spoke anything derogatory.. Sad part is that Islamophobia is a billion dollar industry and majority of the people easily believe everythingthey see on TV

.I was talking about the early spread of Islam which was way before the Mughals...Have you heard about Indonesia? It's the country with largest Muslim population, and there has been no Muslim invasion in that country.Islam was solely spread due to the good nature of the Muslim traders who came from Arabs in Indonesia.

Regarding the verse, I may have been hasty in typing about that so that was my ignorance.

. . 23:40 “Neither can the sun overtake the moon, nor the night outpace the day: Each of them keeps coursing in its orbit,”.( way before copernicus was even born)

Related to Embryology..

https://youtu.be/Bm4VFuWxitc

There is a embroyologist by the name of

(Keith L. Moore

Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto.

He was amazed by the accuracy of the statements made in the Quran in the 7th century. Statements about embryology. Before anyone knew anything about it. These statements in the Quran could not be based on scientific knowledge of the time so it must have come from God.) ..

There are scientists who accepted Islam after reading Quran (again you can verify this)

I am also sharing a video related to scientific facts in the Quran (this is not a channel by a Muslim since I know you will then say it's Propaganda)

https://youtu.be/uwSxSemmdDE

...The feeling is mutual, I do not wish to debate with someone who is soo disrespectful and not to forget an ignorant. .I have still tried to share you my sources ..You might find it hard to belive but there are people who unlike you really have a true thirst of knowledge and this is one of the many reasons many people are converting to Islam(yes.. Muslims also have sooo many children......) But people have logically come to the decision of believing Islam as a truth.. No one is asking you to believe but you have to acknowledge that there are people who found the purpose of their life in this very much Hated Faith...

Thank You

Its Verse 36:40 and if anything at all, it implies that both sun and moon orbit the earth which leads to day and night. A very popular common era theory way before Mohammad.

Was not referring to the Mughals at all. I'm referring to the military career of Mohammad himself. His takeover of Medina, conquest of Mecca, Pagan wars, wars against Jews. He would wipe out the whole tribe if they refused conversion, IE Banu Qurayza Tribe where all males were assassinated.

Further bloodshed after Mohammads death & the formation of the Caliphates.

I have no malice towards Islam, it is what it is, just like any other religion but when you post unscientific data, how Islam is the only true light, the word of God because how could Mohammad write it being an illiterate(he didn't, he just narrated it, you can still talk when you can't read or write)...you open a can of worms. They're called "faiths" for a reason, believe whatever you want...just dont imply other beliefs are false.

Originally posted by: aaditi123

While there's tons of propaganda & false information in this post, I would just like to see where exactly in the Quran does it say, " The earth revolves around the Sun" ?

Post the verse.

Its easy to get people to accept anything if you invade their lands with an army full of "sword bearing tribals". You think the South Americans were waiting for the Europeans to come save them and introduce them to Christianity? Or some Africans nations just wanted to speak french, others english & the rest arabic? The fastest way to spread religion is through invasion & Islam is no different.

I'll stop here because almost everything in this post deserves a rebuttal but I'll be here for hours.

I'm just shocked how easy it is for people to call other religions gods/deities "false idols" and still remain under the delusion that you haven't said anything derogatory.

Originally posted by: aaditi123

Thank You

Its Verse 36:40 and if anything at all, it implies that both sun and moon orbit the earth which leads to day and night. A very popular common era theory way before Mohammad.

Was not referring to the Mughals at all. I'm referring to the military career of Mohammad himself. His takeover of Medina, conquest of Mecca, Pagan wars, wars against Jews. He would wipe out the whole tribe if they refused conversion, IE Banu Qurayza Tribe where all males were assassinated.

Further bloodshed after Mohammads death & the formation of the Caliphates.

I have no malice towards Islam, it is what it is, just like any other religion but when you post unscientific data, how Islam is the only true light, the word of God because how could Mohammad write it being an illiterate(he didn't, he just narrated it, you can still talk when you can't read or write)...you open a can of worms. They're called "faiths" for a reason, believe whatever you want...just dont imply other beliefs are false.

Let's not even begin to talk about how the Quran says that the earth is flat and how the sun sets in a puddle. 🤪

Originally posted by: aaditi123

Thank You

Its Verse 36:40 and if anything at all, it implies that both sun and moon orbit the earth which leads to day and night. A very popular common era theory way before Mohammad.

Was not referring to the Mughals at all. I'm referring to the military career of Mohammad himself. His takeover of Medina, conquest of Mecca, Pagan wars, wars against Jews. He would wipe out the whole tribe if they refused conversion, IE Banu Qurayza Tribe where all males were assassinated.

Further bloodshed after Mohammads death & the formation of the Caliphates.

I have no malice towards Islam, it is what it is, just like any other religion but when you post unscientific data, how Islam is the only true light, the word of God because how could Mohammad write it being an illiterate(he didn't, he just narrated it, you can still talk when you can't read or write)...you open a can of worms. They're called "faiths" for a reason, believe whatever you want...just dont imply other beliefs are false.

Kindly read The Sealed Nectar(it's an awarded biography of Prophet Muhammad which also details how Islam spread) This will clear a lot of misconceptions about the war part...

Also why are you conveniently ignoring the links I just shared regarding Embryology, the planets part might be a weak argument a/c to you but certainly not others....If you wish to have an honest discussion,feel free but please do not try to build a narrative here.I also accepted where I misquoted and I expect the same honesty from the person I am debating..

. Regarding that Islam is just a faith...research on the miracles of Quran, it's all documented.

https://youtu.be/VwZwczHLAL4

See the issue is you haven't read the Quran and your info of Islam is secondary based... If I were to read 10 reviews of novels like Pride and Prejudice then I Can't really claim I know the book right unless I read it myself.

Friend, I have spent many years in researching Quran, I challenge you to dedicatelt look into Quran, if there is any doubt you can DM me, I cannot debate here or fight with someone who isn't even acknowledging the facts

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

I would first like to begin with the Islamic concept of Fitrah and then proceed.

Allah says that each child that is born..is born with an innate ability to belive in one God.Ask yourself if no one ever told you what to believe then what would have been your faith(suppose you were born in an island) I would like you to read on Kapauku Tribe..they were discovered in 1920sand their way of worship was very similar to Islam(worshiping one God, with no image made of God) Similarly the Aborginal Australians had similar beliefs

(There has also been a study in Oxford University by the Psychology of Religion where children had their own natural religion with 1 God),

Since you say you have read the Quran, then you might also know that God constantly asks us why don't we use our intellect? Why don't we use our internal disposition when it comes to things related to God.. Regardless of many Muslims and followers of other theistic religions choose to follow their faith blindly, Islam on the contrary focuses a lot on thinking and educating(Part of the reason that once upon a time , Muslims were the pioneer of all major scientific inventions). Unfortunately with all our current religious organizations are more concerned into rituals then actual theology.

Now I am very much aware that in almost all religions , there is a concept of Heaven and Hell, The Great Flood, Resurrection etc.. Again it's written in the Quran that Allah since time and time again had sent Messengers across all nations and communities along with a revelation. And all the books had the same core message, Worship One God, stay away from false idols, heaven and hell etc.. And over time these scriptures were corrupted by people who wanted to guard their selfish motives. This is one of the major reasons why Islam spread like wildfire. For eg:People in Somalia had no problem in accepting Islam as in their old scriptures there was already written to worship One God and a messenger will come, (there are countless examples)

I find it strange that the similarities of all Religions are concluded that no religion is true, it's like if JK Rowling was to come with a sequel of HP, wouldn't there be a similarity in writing? The answer is Yes, Why? Because it's the SAME AUTHOR

Why I said that Quran could not have been written by a human is Prophet Muhammad was an illiterate, there was no concept of Prophethood in Arab and the literature of Quran is elite and experts from the Quraish tribe(in Makkah) as well as non Muslims have come to this deduction.. Non arabs usually are not able to appreciate the beauty of the Quran as much. Like How on earth did an illiterate man knew that the Sun doesnt revolve around the earth? (There are many more evidences all backed my both Muslims and non Muslim)

Now coming to your last Question didn't I already explained in my previous post.. Let me elaborate more, Every human once born has a Shaitan appointed who are with us till the day we die, It's very normal for them to pass info to people who practice tarot etc. Similarly these same jinns can easily possess humans(I thought you read the Quran) Hence the cases of reincarnation. Not gonna elaborate in this topic because nothing fruitful comes even if you believe.

The problem with us humans is we want God himself would come down to Earth, in fact Allah says that people whose heart are filled with deviation were to see Heaven and Hell themselves then they would say that we were only dreaming, We have come up with elaborate theories about how humans were created by aliens.. We have staunch believers of Scientology but people have difficulty in believing in the existence Of God. In my opinion it's pure arrogance of the heart, we are so blinded by our desires that we refuse to acknowledge what is evident.

Hey lovely chatting with you too, since you are into philosophy as well I recommend you to check out the channel Rational Believer, the channel explains in a logical manner about why people believe that Islam is the truth. Also check out Mohammed Hijab, Dr Jeffrey Lang, he is Professor at Uni of Kansas who accepted Islam and explains the whole purpose of human life on this earth fantastically

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There is no 'scientific study' which shows that 'people have discovered that Islam is the only true faith'. If there is, please post the link (that is not of some random YouTube video. Europe is becoming more and more atheist day by day, it's laughable that they would consider the Quran (which is full of non-scientific stuff) as 'the final truth'.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Let's not even begin to talk about how the Quran says that the earth is flat and how the sun sets in a puddle. 🤪

Another ignorant... Kindly show your bigotry in real life..

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the earth is round, but to human eyes it appears to be flat, because it is very big and its roundness or curvature cannot be seen at close distances. So the one who stands and looks sees it as flat, but when viewed as a whole, in reality it is round.

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The proofs of the Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that it is round.

Secondly:

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)” [Nooh 71:19] indicates that it is spread out and shaped so that people can feel settled in it and be able to live and prosper in it. Ibn Katheer said:

That is, He spread it out, prepared it, made it stable and made it firm by means of the mountains.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/247

Similarly, the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “Have We not made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6] means that it is spread out and prepared for you and for your benefit, so that you can cultivate it, build dwellings in it and travel through it.

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, it is prepared for people in such a way that they can live in it, and it is firm, stable and steady.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/307

And the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion” [al-Hijr 15:19] means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers” [ar-Ra‘d 13:3].

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Not even going to reply to your other comment... Forgod Sake why don't you guys google if you can't believe YT links..

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

Another ignorant... Kindly show your bigotry in real life..

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the earth is round, but to human eyes it appears to be flat, because it is very big and its roundness or curvature cannot be seen at close distances. So the one who stands and looks sees it as flat, but when viewed as a whole, in reality it is round.

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The proofs of the Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that it is round.

Secondly:

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)” [Nooh 71:19] indicates that it is spread out and shaped so that people can feel settled in it and be able to live and prosper in it. Ibn Katheer said:

That is, He spread it out, prepared it, made it stable and made it firm by means of the mountains.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/247

Similarly, the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “Have We not made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6] means that it is spread out and prepared for you and for your benefit, so that you can cultivate it, build dwellings in it and travel through it.

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, it is prepared for people in such a way that they can live in it, and it is firm, stable and steady.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/307

And the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion” [al-Hijr 15:19] means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers” [ar-Ra‘d 13:3].

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Not even going to reply to your other comment... Forgod Sake why don't you guys google if you can't believe YT links..

None of the verses you have quoted mention that the Earth is rounded out and humans only PERCEIVE them to be flat. But nice try 👍

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

None of the verses you have quoted mention that the Earth is rounded out and humans only PERCEIVE them to be flat. But nice try 👍

Ya I did try but nothing works on bigots :)

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

Ya I did try but nothing works on bigots :)

Bigots= People with sound and rational mind.

According to your definition. Yes, by that definition, every scientist is a bigot. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

Ya I did try but nothing works on bigots :)

Demeaning others faith while name calling those who don't have see Islam in the same light, yet they are bigots? The only bigot on this thread is you after having read your insulting posts for others religion. And if others retaliate you then cry Islamaphobia. Grow out of your little blind bubble and learn how to give respect if you expect the same in return.