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Originally posted by: laksh

I can understand his insecurity, can understand his emotions or even his outburst but actions speaks louder than words. For me, the minute he overreacted when he came to know that Ajinkya was in their room showed how much trust he has in Sai. I am not saying he thinks her to be characterless but he should have so much trust in her to not to run to the room like that. See, when I say about trust even now, I am not saying he thinks she might be doing something with Ajinkya and hence he is running, I am not able to think that way too but is he not supposed to wait or not react and go to his room like normally? His insecurity can be seen in his restlessness, not by his inconsiderate behaviour. Sai wanted to join him and Pakhi to Ladakh, she didn’t like when Pakhi kept offering to pack his things, she felt restless when Pakhi was speaking all that crap and couldn’t hold herself that she replied to Pakhi and started talking to Pakhi. One could see how hurt she was as a wife. But even then, even after she has heard Pakhi asking for his clothes, even after Pakhi making fun of her asking her to study and they will go to Ladakh, even after Pakhi keeps claiming rights on Virat, even after she knows that Virat was committed to Pakhi and that’s why didn’t accept her as his wife when they got married, set conditions during their marriage, made it a deal one, she asked both of them to go to Ladakh when Pakhi made an issue after coming to know that Sai was also joining them. That shows the amount of trust Sai has on Virat. She saw Pakhi feeding Virat and moved out of the place. Sai has always thought that they have feelings for each other but she also had started to feel something to Virat, she has also felt jealousy, possessive, she is also feeling insecured but did that make her react this way, rushing to where the two are when they are alone?

When one says lack of trust, it means that if he had trust on Sai, he wouldn’t ask questions like what were you doing alone with Ajinkya in our room. That question was totally wrong. Whether or not he meant that she was doing something wrong, even asking such a question only means that he doesn’t have enough trust in Sai. He should be thinking that she would never think or move with any guy or have an affair with any guy when she is in a marital relationship with her. Let’s see how the scene plays out. If one has immense trust, even after seeing whatever he saw, they would only try to make themselves understand that Sai wouldn’t do anything like that. That would show the amount of confidence or trust in their partner. It is like thinking they would never do it, thinking he is probably misunderstanding the scenario. Not only did he misunderstand, he also started to beat that guy up as if he did something based on his assumption and asked her questions too. Let’s wait for the actual scene. Have said only based on what we have seen so far.

@bold This was exactly my problem too. He was reacting like a maniac the second he got to know that Ajinkya was in their room. And his physical thrashing of Ajinkya without even pausing to see what they were doing - he was behaving like Kabir Singh as somebody in the forum suggested.

As for the way he questioned Sai - even though he may not consciously suspect her, I understand that there may (or may not?) be a trust deficit somewhere(I'm divided on this one) - and it is precisely for this reason that I hate jealousy tracks.

I have one more issue that really bothers me. Virat is aware how much Sai talking to other men bothers him - it has always been like that, right from Amey. He has never been okay with it. But should not that have made him even more careful in the way he interacts with Pakhi. He cannot help it that she happens to live in the same house, but he can definitely set boundaries. Feeling responsible or guilty may make him go a little soft on her. But him breaching the boundaries like rushing to her room during a fight, meeting her alone in the garden, letting her into their bedroom all the time is totally unacceptable. He may not have any bad motive, but that does not absolve him of his actions. Especially knowing how bad he feels when Sai interacts with men, he should be aware of how his actions will affect Sai. This double standard really pisses me off. He comes across as a hypocrite.

When Sai asked why create drama over a pillow wall when there is a full-grown person in between us, Virat looked surprised at her 'mudda'. I just don't understand how anyone can be this dumb?

Originally posted by: laksh

I can understand his insecurity, can understand his emotions or even his outburst but actions speaks louder than words. For me, the minute he overreacted when he came to know that Ajinkya was in their room showed how much trust he has in Sai. I am not saying he thinks her to be characterless but he should have so much trust in her to not to run to the room like that. See, when I say about trust even now, I am not saying he thinks she might be doing something with Ajinkya and hence he is running, I am not able to think that way too but is he not supposed to wait or not react and go to his room like normally? His insecurity can be seen in his restlessness, not by his inconsiderate behaviour. Sai wanted to join him and Pakhi to Ladakh, she didn’t like when Pakhi kept offering to pack his things, she felt restless when Pakhi was speaking all that crap and couldn’t hold herself that she replied to Pakhi and started talking to Pakhi. One could see how hurt she was as a wife. But even then, even after she has heard Pakhi asking for his clothes, even after Pakhi making fun of her asking her to study and they will go to Ladakh, even after Pakhi keeps claiming rights on Virat, even after she knows that Virat was committed to Pakhi and that’s why didn’t accept her as his wife when they got married, set conditions during their marriage, made it a deal one, she asked both of them to go to Ladakh when Pakhi made an issue after coming to know that Sai was also joining them. That shows the amount of trust Sai has on Virat. She saw Pakhi feeding Virat and moved out of the place. Sai has always thought that they have feelings for each other but she also had started to feel something to Virat, she has also felt jealousy, possessive, she is also feeling insecured but did that make her react this way, rushing to where the two are when they are alone?

When one says lack of trust, it means that if he had trust on Sai, he wouldn’t ask questions like what were you doing alone with Ajinkya in our room. That question was totally wrong. Whether or not he meant that she was doing something wrong, even asking such a question only means that he doesn’t have enough trust in Sai. He should be thinking that she would never think or move with any guy or have an affair with any guy when she is in a marital relationship with her. Let’s see how the scene plays out. If one has immense trust, even after seeing whatever he saw, they would only try to make themselves understand that Sai wouldn’t do anything like that. That would show the amount of confidence or trust in their partner. It is like thinking they would never do it, thinking he is probably misunderstanding the scenario. Not only did he misunderstand, he also started to beat that guy up as if he did something based on his assumption and asked her questions too. Let’s wait for the actual scene. Have said only based on what we have seen so far.

I agree that we need to wait until the scene plays out to truly be able to discuss without assuming too much. But, I just wanted to share my thoughts regarding insecurities vs. trust.

I really don't like the comparison of Sai-Virat-Pakhi and Sai-Virat-Ajinkya, because the situations can simply not be compared in my eyes for reasons I think the 3 of us will all agree on, so I won't write it out. But, in terms of Sai never rushing to where Virat and Pakhi were alone. Despite Sai's feelings towards Virat and the feelings that she can sense Virat has for her, she still has not consciously accepted this marriage as anything beyond a zimidari to this day. Whenever she sees Pakhi and Virat together, she is painfully reminded of the "reality" that she has come in between their relationship...so she feels as though she has no rights over Virat in those moments. She almost always ends up blaming herself for forgetting the true nature of her marriage for Virat. Now, there is a contradiction here. Because, while on one hand, she sees herself as the outsider, on the other hand, we have seen Sai explode too. The most recent and best example I can use here is Harini's birthday and its aftermath. When Sai saw Virat and Pakhi together and overheard their conversation about their past, she was once again brought back to the painful version of the "reality" in which she was the third person. She essentially told Virat in front of the entire family that she will not tolerate him being with both women at the same time. Is this not indirectly accusing his character? Did she really believe this was the case? Of course not. And this is exactly why Sai is a constant confused mess. Due to the vaada and her initial days in CN, the fact that Sai is the outsider has been engraved into her mind. But, from the very first day of their marriage, she has seen the way Virat cares for her. It has never been just about the zimidari. These two things have always been at odds for her. So, despite believing and convincing herself that she is the third person, she has also always subconsciously known and seen that she is not. And this is where trust comes in. Despite the vaada, she has always had faith in Virat and his limitations with Pakhi. As you have beautifully written, this is exactly why she did not mind Virat traveling alone with Pakhi. So, then why did she say those bitter words to Virat after Harini's birthday? The answer is quite simple to me. She was in pain. She was so shattered that she had started to believe in the reality of this marriage and she had to come crashing down back to earth. Virat kept trying to explain his side of the story, begging her to just have a conversation with him, but she refused to even listen to him for one second. She said some pretty hurtful things to him in the heat of the moment too which she did not mean, because she was overwhelmed with emotion and she was not thinking clearly. At the end of the day, it all came down to her fear of losing him....or put in another way, pain at the thought of the idea that he was never her's for her to be able to lose him in the first place.

Coming to the situation at hand. Virat has told Sai time and time again that he has complete trust in her. He has told her that he knows that she does not do anything wrong. In the kitchen scene, he himself was confused as to why he was thinking about Sai and AJ in this regard, to me showing that he knows Sai has not and would never give him any reason to doubt her. But, we have also seen Virat's insecurities building up inside of him for quite some time now. He is madly in love with his wife, and that is his only reality. Unlike Sai, the state of his mind is clear in this regard. But, similarly to her, he too is confused about the state of their relationship. Because, while he can see how deeply she cares for him and that she is falling in love with him even, her words say otherwise. While Sai has had walls up around her since the start of this marriage (obviously understandably so), Virat is completely vulnerable at this stage. He has let himself fall in love with his whole heart……

When Virat first finds out that AJ is upstairs in his bedroom, his immediate question is who gave him permission to go upstairs. He asks this not once, but 3-4 times. Why does he not just rush up the stairs directly? If he actually thought Sai was cheating on him and wanted Ajinkya in their bedroom, wouldn’t he go flying up the stairs the minute he found out Ajinkya was in their bedroom? This scene was quite telling to me. If Kaku and Ninand had the moral sense to tell him that it was Pakhi, he would have immediately understood the situation, and he would have burst downstairs towards her instead of bursting upstairs in this bedroom towards Sai and Ajinkya. This was the first indication to me that Virat did not put the blame on Sai here. He tried to get more information about what was going on, but when he truly lost his cool was when Pakhi started her antics. At that point he knew he was not going to get answers, so he went upstairs himself. Then, when he entered the room, his question was not directed at Sai again. He asked AJ how dare he enter his bedroom. He grabbed AJ by the collar. I am not saying any of this is okay. Virat seriously has no control over his emotions, and I have called him out for it time and time again. But, throughout all of this rage, Sai was never the target of it. Why? Because I truly believe that Virat’s faith in her is unwavering. Ajinkya to Virat is the manifestation of his greatest fear of losing Sai…the fear that he himself might not be enough for his wife and the fear that this marriage might be left a deal after all…. I know from personal experience that there is no greater fear than losing someone you love so much. It overclouds all of your judgements and it takes away your ability to differentiate between right and wrong. In my personal life, I have seen the most level-headed and secure people lose their temper and say things they do not mean out of fear and pain.

I disagree that him asking Sai what she was doing in the bedroom automatically means that he does not trust her. Sometimes you have to look beyond a person’s words in order to truly understand their actions and their emotions. I have tried to explain a little bit about this above. Yes, a logical person who trusts their partner would try to make themselves understand. But, a person this madly in love and scared of losing their love does not think logically. This is just from the precap, but there were tears in his eyes when he was speaking to Sai. The second he stopped talking to AJ and to Sai, his tone and demeanor completely changed. All I saw in his eyes in that moment, despite his bitter words, was pain. The same pain that I saw in Sai’s eyes when she was indirectly accusing Virat for harboring feelings for Pakhi in front of the entire family. The pain of losing the one you love the most. It makes you say things you don’t mean. It makes you do things that you regret later.

I don’t want to comment on Virat’s question to Sai as to what she was doing in the room and her response of being characterless yet, because they have chopped up the conversation and given us bits and pieces so I will wait until we see how it actually plays out..

I am not saying that any of this is right….I am just trying to explain my understanding of the situation here….

All of this might become irrelevant once we see how the the scene actually plays out…

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

I have one more issue that really bothers me. Virat is aware how much Sai talking to other men bothers him - it has always been like that, right from Amey. He has never been okay with it. But should not that have made him even more careful in the way he interacts with Pakhi. He cannot help it that she happens to live in the same house, but he can definitely set boundaries. Feeling responsible or guilty may make him go a little soft on her. But him breaching the boundaries like rushing to her room during a fight, meeting her alone in the garden, letting her into their bedroom all the time is totally unacceptable. He may not have any bad motive, but that does not absolve him of his actions. Especially knowing how bad he feels when Sai interacts with men, he should be aware of how his actions will affect Sai. This double standard really pisses me off. He comes across as a hypocrite.

When Sai asked why create drama over a pillow wall when there is a full-grown person in between us, Virat looked surprised at her 'mudda'. I just don't understand how anyone can be this dumb?

Virat and Sai both generally lack the ability as of now to think about things from each other's perspectives. That is part of the reason why their relationship is where it is right now. I agree with everything you have said here. It is spot on. The problem is that in Virat's mind, his intentions were never impure and Sai is now the only person in his heart. He does not even consider what Sai must be going through and has been going through since the day of their marriage....

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

@bold This was exactly my problem too. He was reacting like a maniac the second he got to know that Ajinkya was in their room. And his physical thrashing of Ajinkya without even pausing to see what they were doing - he was behaving like Kabir Singh as somebody in the forum suggested.

As for the way he questioned Sai - even though he may not consciously suspect her, I understand that there may (or may not?) be a trust deficit somewhere(I'm divided on this one) - and it is precisely for this reason that I hate jealousy tracks.

This made me laugh 🤣

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

I have one more issue that really bothers me. Virat is aware how much Sai talking to other men bothers him - it has always been like that, right from Amey. He has never been okay with it. But should not that have made him even more careful in the way he interacts with Pakhi. He cannot help it that she happens to live in the same house, but he can definitely set boundaries. Feeling responsible or guilty may make him go a little soft on her. But him breaching the boundaries like rushing to her room during a fight, meeting her alone in the garden, letting her into their bedroom all the time is totally unacceptable. He may not have any bad motive, but that does not absolve him of his actions. Especially knowing how bad he feels when Sai interacts with men, he should be aware of how his actions will affect Sai. This double standard really pisses me off. He comes across as a hypocrite.

When Sai asked why create drama over a pillow wall when there is a full-grown person in between us, Virat looked surprised at her 'mudda'. I just don't understand how anyone can be this dumb?

I know, I have never liked his double standard behaviour. This has always bothered me. Is it okay for him to be friends with Pakhi but not Sai to be friends with any guy? Sai knows their history and the way these two used to behave, no one would have been able to tolerate it. It has affected her so much that him telling her that he has started to like her freaked her out. She felt he was joking and couldn’t believe it. He couldn’t tolerate her fake flirting with Amay, couldn’t tolerate her praising Aniket and his musical skills. Then how did he think she would have felt when he shouted Pakhi’s name asking her for food? Even if Sai had brought her into picture, is it okay for him to shout Pakhi’s name and run to her room? Sai didn’t even accuse him and asked him with concern. He has brought up Ajinkya’s name so many times when he has met him only 2 days, won’t Sai be then bringing up Pakhi’s name especially when Pakhi is acting like a bee around a flower?

He couldn’t tolerate Ajinkya giving surprise to Sai when that guy had come along with friends, he felt as if that guy has something for Sai. He had asked the same even in the sbs segment too in an accusing way that the guy had to meet her and didn’t hesitate to even come to their room. It was as if he felt that the guy was desperate to meet Sai since she had not gone to college and wasn’t well. It didn’t give him a good feeling that Ajinkya would have been so desperate to meet Sai that he didn’t even think before entering their room.

Then how many times has Pakhi entered their room as if it her own room? How desperate has Pakhi always been? How openly she keeps showing her love for Virat all the time and Sai even told him after the Ladakh trip cancellation. The way he is behaving today was the way Pakhi behaved with Sai that day tearing off the tickets as if Sai had come in between her and Virat. That day when Sai started to question Pakhi as how is Pakhi going with Virat not wrong but her going with her own husband was wrong. Won’t she ask why would Pakhi have issues with her joining them and why Pakhi wants to travel alone with Virat. Even that day Virat acted like a victim saying mera gala kaat dena. He even stopped his mom from asking Pakhi. They were telling the truth and asking logical questions and infact were pushed by Pakhi and her actions to ask her. How can he then question Ajinkya based on his own assumptions? Sai knows his abs Pakhi’s history and she asked him. How can he ask her even after she has been repeatedly telling him that Ajinkya is only her friend. She didn’t share any past with him or never even teased him saying she likes Ajinkya or finds him attractive or anything of that sort. He has been having issues that Sai doesn’t understand him, Sai doesn’t believe him when he says he has no feelings for Pakhi, did he understand Sai now? He has hardly met the guy a couple of times and he has such a big issue, knowing about their past and seeing Pakhi 24/7 in the same house, looking at their friendship, the comfort level these two share, the way he has supported Pakhi and yelled at her, the way he has compared her with Pakhi and so much more, how is Sai expected to understand him or believe him that he has no feelings for Pakhi?

He can feel insecured but she can’t? He can be possessive but she can’t? He can get jealous for nothing and she can’t feel jealous for valid reasons? The lady stands near their door in the night time, barges into their room any time of the day even when the door is closed and she should understand him because he doesn’t think that way. What about all his past actions, what is she supposed to make out of those? This guy has come to meet Sai in their house, the whole family knows, Pakhi said she was taking tea for them, the door was open, yet he feels that the guy has some feelings for Sai and feels that he had the audacity to come to meet her. He asks her what was she doing alone with him in their room? I understand that he wasn’t in his senses and didn’t even know what he was talking or doing, and yet he calls Sai nasamajh and has called badtameez. It is him who is nasamajh and acting without tameez to a guest. Sai has been showing her samajhdaari many a times ignoring him and Pakhi, she has walked out of the room when Pakhi demanded to talk alone, she walked out towards balcony when she found her husband was being fed by his ex and even asked them to go on a trip even after she saw how cheap Pakhi was behaving asking for his dresses to be picked in her suitcase. If Virat was in Sai’s position, I can’t even imagine what he would have done. He would have gone mad long ago. Sai expressed her displeasure as soon they got married, she herself didn’t know why she acted that way but didn’t he ask her why should it be a problem to her since their marriage was a deal one, why should it be a problem to her if he has feelings for Pakhi.

He won’t be able to hear Sai speaking any such thing. I really wish Sai asks him why should it bother him even if she has feelings for Ajinkya and tell him if that is not what he once asked her.

I have never liked his double standards. Hope he reflects on his actions atleast after this. Hope he realises how Sai would have felt and would be feeling about him and Pakhi. If he doesn’t think that, then he would continue to be friends with Pakhi and continue wit behave nice with Pakhi in the future without caring or thinking how Sai would feel about it.

I was typing in a reply to your other comment, couldn’t finish it. Will reply soon.

Virat has lost his cool in emotions-yes. but the larger point is that he is worried that Sai will find someone else. But when he frames a question like "what were you doing in our bedroom alone with this guy" and assaults the guy- its obvious that he IS questioning her integrity. Thats what Sai is going to perceive. So she WILL feel like his is questioning her loyalty. So that will definitely be perceived by her as his LACK of trust in her again! He didnt trust her during the devkit issue and now he has gone too far in his insecurity.

Sai reacting during virat-pp episode CANNOT be compared to virat reaction in Sai-ajinkya.

Yes, being insecure is normal..but going overboard is not ok.

Yes Sai also didn't give virat a chance to explain when she heard the pool conversation but she did try her best to control her emotions n not create a tamasha. And virat had many chances to clear the issue before her outburst.and truth is that Virat did make a vaada to pp, he did have feelings for her, he did tell Sai that he was committed to someone else. Sai knew that pp was that someone else and so its entirely justified for her to get upset at feeling like he was playing with her emotions while still being in love with pp. She wanted him to make a choice one way or another.

In Sai-akinkya case, its all Virats jealousy. There is really nothing objective that virat has to accuse Sai.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

@bold This was exactly my problem too. He was reacting like a maniac the second he got to know that Ajinkya was in their room. And his physical thrashing of Ajinkya without even pausing to see what they were doing - he was behaving like Kabir Singh as somebody in the forum suggested.

As for the way he questioned Sai - even though he may not consciously suspect her, I understand that there may (or may not?) be a trust deficit somewhere(I'm divided on this one) - and it is precisely for this reason that I hate jealousy tracks.

I don’t know about the Kabir Singh behavior.

From what I understand, what they are always trying to show is that Virat is a very emotional guy. Be it love or jealousy or anger, it is all in extremes. Not sure if they would ever show a change in him. In general people who are very emotional, who are very caring and loving are the people who also get very hurt, they can’t control their disappointment or hurt. That is why we always see Virat a guy who is extremely patient, loving and caring and at the same time a guy who gets too hurt or upset that he starts to express by crying or through his anger. As much as he loves Sai, he has high expectations from Sai too and would also get very hurt if anything goes wrong. Even during the ousting, he felt betrayed, was hurt and that hurt turned into an anger where he was blinded to his own actions. Even though Sai didn’t do anything now, his insecurity is driving him to act this way.

About the trust part, it is an impulsive reaction. In general, people would try to think if they are misunderstanding it but Virat was in no state to think about it. He had entered the room in rage since he didn’t even like the thought of Ajinkya in the room. He has been disturbed with Ajinkya in Sai’s life. He doesn’t understand why that guy bothers him a lot, invades all his thoughts as he had recently admitted. Sai has not had any guy whom she talks to or is friends with ever since he met her. He has come to know that she shares things with Ajinkya and is not comfortable with the idea of her having someone else that important in her life. The guy coming home with friends do surprise Sai are all not things that he is able fo appreciate. He is too jealous. He wants to be the person who can make her smile, to give her a surprise. I am not sure how he would have reacted even if Ajinkya had spoken to Virat and sharing his plans to surprise Sai.

Sai and Virat both are not in that stage of their relationship where they share everything with each other. He also knows that Sai likes freedom and he can’t keep asking her every now and then whom she was with or where she was even if he is bothered with such thoughts. He would have liked to know if Ajinkya had also gone with her to the shop the other day but couldn’t ask her directly I think and that is why asked her for Anjinkya’s phone number indirectly. He had even told her that he can call that guy if she is late and all that.

He doesn’t want Sai to fall for any other guy. Doesn’t want Sai to get close to someone else. Is worried that she might leave him and start her own life after their deal gets over or that she might leave the house if she falls in love with someone else even before the deal is over. It is this anxiety that makes him behave irrationally. He acted impulsively. Whatever be the reason he got worked up knowing they both were in the room, it doesn’t make sense to overreact like that. Even if he didn’t like the thought, he could have just walked to his room casually as always to check on his Sai was feeling. He asked his family if she was alright or not, why not check that than getting angry that her friend was with her in the room.

I don’t know what to tell about trust. Only think that I know is that he didn’t show his trust this time. Just like how he didn’t care or believe when Pakhi and others were accusing Sai to have taken Devi somewhere, may be to believe Pulkit or how he dismissed off Pakhi’s drug accusation, he should have been cool about this too. Even if he was not comfortable or felt restless, he should have tried to cool himself down, should have told to himself that Sai has said that she is just her friend and he might have come home for some work or to check on her health. The other two incidents where he supported Sai directly or indirectly, showed his faith in Sai, trust in Sai. Even when Ashwini was upset with Sai after Devi Pulkit wedding, she trusted that Sai would have had some reasons, Shivani and Mohit also trusted her but Virat didn’t even give it a thought. The same way, he didn’t even give it a thought today. Even if Ashwini had to see what Virat has seen in his bedroom, she would have so much faith in Sai that she would never do anything wrong and would only ask her how she was feeling and not ask what they were doing. That is the trust that I am saying is lacking in him. He lets his fears overpower his rational thinking. And that fear turns into rage. He doesn’t know how to cope with his insecurity and that’s the main problem.

Originally posted by: laksh

I usually don’t discuss about the precap but I should give it to our famous creatives to have made Sai ask the question herself. Wow 👏👏. Let’s wait and watch or wait, let me not watch at all 🤦‍♀️.

Is this how it was in other versions as well ? I thought it was Rono who used that word.

Not sure if it really matters if he calls her characterless or not. Thats what he implied when he asks what were you doing with AJ in our room . What does that question even mean 🤦

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Not sure if it really matters if he calls her characterless or not. Thats what he implied when he asks what were you doing with AJ in our room . What does that question even mean 🤦

Yeah, he was implying that.