Performance Discussion 10 & 11 July - Page 30

Originally posted by: SamirM

Aru was first declared top voted contestant just before the week the lady killer & manly Pawan went off for covid. During the full time of his absence mainly the girls carried the show and Arunita and SMP were top 2 voted contestants.

Lady killer returned during power play and at the end of power play Arunita was declared as the top voted contestant neutralizing all top voted declarations during the power play i.e. sometimes top 2 Pawan and Sawai and sometimes Arunita and Pawan. During that time, single top voted contestant was not declared. Top 2 were declared. However, those declarations became null and void with the declaration of top voted contestant after the power play accummulating all votes during power play.

After power play, Anjali was eliminated. Since then top voted contestant was declared twice. Once the LK manly PD while elimination of Sawai and lastly Arunita while elimination of Ashish.

I did not follow the top voted contestant at the beginning but heard that Sawai was the top voted contestant couple of times followed by LK manly Pawan and during that time these two were considered by the makers as winner of the title as understood from the interview of Neeraj jee.

Arunita was never in the radar of the makers. She earned that attention for the overwhelming love and affection of the audience as a result of brilliant performances week after week in the beginning and that has been continuing till now.

Agree totally !

Arunita did not join the show with a large dedicated fanbase. Whatever she and other contentants except Pawan have achieved is mainly for their performances in Indian Idol. They had to demonstrate their talent in this show to win the heart of the audiences. Only LK Handsome Manly Pawan did not require to demonstrate any talent in this show to win the heart of the audiences. He had already lovely and piyaari fans who are mad for him when he joined the show. He has been evaluated based on a perception that he is the best singer whereas the others had to deliver to establish that yes they can also sing

Not raking up an argument here. But just a few facts from my own experience. I am an avid watcher of almost all singing reality shows - been watching II right from season 1 ( that’s why I root for Rahul vaidya too, he was my fav ). I know & have watched anjali,vaishnav, SMP, Aru,Pawan &Danish. I was never a die-hard PD fan during Voice, though he deserved that win. It is wrong to say that they get evaluated on a previous perception. If that was the case, Anjali would be in the top 3 ( she won saregama lilchamps), vaishnav would’ve been at least in the top 5. ( he was the most popular in the early shows). Yes, past perception matters, only to the extent of feeling nice to see your favourites from an earlier show getting selected - my perception of vaishnav was that. But that never made me vote for him, coz he was not at all in form here. Similarly Anjali - though technically perfect, her voice lacked the maturity & depth. Never got my votes,though I loved her in the earlier show.

I am not telling the LK handsome manly Pawan did not demonstrate any good performance in the show but he did not require to strugle a little bit to be in lime light. The story of the other contestants is different in this case. 😃

Really? No struggle for Pawan? This season is unique since they are all near-professionals … winners or finalists of some show or the other ( except Sawai. I don’t know whether Ashish was in any regional shows). This is not a motley gang of amateurs or novices. These kids are high on talent & confidence, hence they damn need to struggle to stay afloat. If PD was the only one against all others who were freshers, then the road may have been easier for him. But this season is so special. It’s like Music ka Maha Muqabla😀. Why else is it garnering the eye-balls?? So, yeah , it calls for hard-work from ALL as in ‘struggle’ 😱 No shortcut to hard-work sirji. And no one, I repeat, no one can ride on past laurels!

Finally PD is hardly LK material 😃😄. He is not conventionally handsome - lookswise it was Nachiket, followed by Danish.

So, what’s rocking about this guy? His demeanour, his humility, his multi-talented personality and of course ‘dil ko choolene awaaz’❤️😀. He never asks people to vote for just himself, except in the mandatory episodes. His goals go beyond the trophy - he is zen like in the pursuit of his passion. Nothing else matters to him.

This is what makes PD , the PD! One of a kind👍👏

Now these two - Aru & PD have put me in a quandary.

A) if either wins, I will be partly happy 🙂 and partly sad 😞

B) if both become joint winners ( anjali was a joint winner in lil champs, so why not?) I will ride the clouds 💃🏻💃🏻
C) if neither wins …. I will be devastated😥😩😩 ( but I will take solace in the proven theory that non-winners make it big! Arijit, jubin, monali et al. Note - I didn’t mention Nehu 😂)

Dharamsankat….😀

Sorry, for the looong post….🤨

You have written exactly my mind 💯

I decided not to reply to this post since ik what perception these all forum members have for PD fans n PD

Jaise vo to paida hi hua tha yeh likhwake ki he's god's favourite child ! He never did anything saare log Jo Uske peeche paagal he they are mindless or they are his fans from VOI , Jo bhi guests aake usko praise karte he sab trp k liye he , he's a mediocre/average singer jisko sirf musician hone ki wajah se sar pe chadhaya hua he ! Nhi yeh sab PD ki hi to Galti he ki usko itte saare instruments bajane Aate he !

The above written is the perception of fans of other contestants which I have seen with my own eyes !

I don't mean to say iss forum k members ki soch bhi vaisi he ! This is the general perception prevailing on SM !

N about his fandom omg channe Ka jhaad banaya hua he 🤪

Isse zyada toxic fandom to ho hi nhi Sakti ! Like seriously!?

Phir to big boss ki fandom par kya khayaal he vo to doodh se dhuli hui he 🤪

It's about exposure ! One might have a bad experience n one might have a great one ! Mene bohot Baar logo lo SM pe post Karte hue dekha he that PD fans mock other contestants but mujhe to Kuch or hi dikha he ? Uska kya ?? All the fans of eliminated contestants target PD n his fans! N even saying public doesn't have any sense ! They vote mindlessly!

Whosoever is getting eliminated usme Bhai PD ki kya Galti he ? Uska fault he he's so popular n uska fandom itta bada kyu he 🤪 Jo Uske liye paagalo ki Tarah trends Kar rhe he

Ormax list par aise hi nhi Aaya vo ! His fans have been constantly trending him on SM ! Or aage bhi Karte rahenge

My point is that mujhe samajh nhi Aata y people always generalise ? 100/100 toxic hi he kya ? Hum Jaise log bhi ! Jo Kar jagah riots ko suljhaate he that aren't even created by PD fans !

Mujhe to sabse zyada toxic sawai n Danish ki fandom lagti he !

N sabko aisa kyu lagta he PD is a flat nazal singer who can only sing flat songs ? Purane episodes bhul gye kya yeh log ya phir dekhe hi nhi ?

People have a tendency to forget n thus many of them forgot PD even if they liked him in voice n the same is also happening now !

All this generalisation effects me as a person since people are saying about all the fans n m one of them n m not like the ones those other fans are quoting!

I feel that False perceptions are being made about me as a fan ! N that's frustrating and maybe there might so many others who are feeling the same way I am !

We are also humans we also get frustrated but we don't waste that frustration instead we trend PD more than ever! That's the difference between our fandom n others' ! This all that I have written is my experience that I have seen through insta, TT, YouTube n one can't judge a book by its cover !

At last sorry for venting out n tagging you coz I felt you are also one positive fan (out of many) so I thought of sharing this with you

No targeting on any other fandom just my thoughts n questions roaming in the back of my head

Kindly maintain a positive atmosphere n if you cannot then please don't reply to me or just say to delete this post ! I will 😊

Arre itna dil par mat lo yaar. What should matter to u is how ur fav is performing and what feedback he is getting from guests n judges..in the end that's what matters. And from all comments Pawan gets from them..and also the musicians and tech team of the show..we can easily make out whether he is over rated, under rated or rightly rated. Doesn't matter if fandoms find him over rated..

people in his chosen field r finding him worthy enough. Bas aur kya chahiye.

Don't let fandoms affect ur peace of mind..not even Pawan's

Originally posted by: anoushka_113

Finally PD is hardly LK material 😃😄. He is not conventionally handsome - lookswise it was Nachiket, followed by Danish.

So, what’s rocking about this guy? His demeanour, his humility, his multi-talented personality and of course ‘dil ko choolene awaaz’❤️😀. He never asks people to vote for just himself, except in the mandatory episodes. His goals go beyond the trophy - he is zen like in the pursuit of his passion. Nothing else matters to him.

This is what makes PD , the PD! One of a kind👍👏

Now these two - Aru & PD have put me in a quandary.

A) if either wins, I will be partly happy 🙂 and partly sad 😞

B) if both become joint winners ( anjali was a joint winner in lil champs, so why not?) I will ride the clouds 💃🏻💃🏻
C) if neither wins …. I will be devastated😥😩😩 ( but I will take solace in the proven theory that non-winners make it big! Arijit, jubin, monali et al. Note - I didn’t mention Nehu 😂)

Dharamsankat….😀

Sorry, for the looong post….🤨

I will not argue with you on the bold parts you have mentioned in my comment, just I will try to explain my point of view. I will not say anything about your comment part as I have already taken a stance about this and committed to stop that part of my post which was actually posted as part of fun, the way some of the PD fans here call Aru 'sundari'. 😃

Regarding bold parts, I summarise your points as

1. All other contestants were known before joining II

2. PD also had to struggle

Coming to the first point, there is material difference between taking part in a singing competition of junior group or regional singing show for junior group and taking part in a national singing competition for seniors and winning the same. The audience exposure is extremely high in case of a national singing competition comparing to regional level and/or junior level singing competition. PD joined the show with huge fanbase developed for him since he became winner of voice. BTW, to best of my knowledge, Anjali was not champion by popular votes, she was declared champion by the jury members. May be I am wrong but this is the information that I have.

General human psychology is to support the person who could win and PD's joining in II increased the fanbase among the audience even who didn't know him earlier (I am talking about the mass people, not the class people). And the way II makers portray him at the beginning of the show as god of music, the neutral audiences were induced to become his supporter. So, to me he has been supported in this show for the perception that he is a good singer more than his real performance in II. 🙏

Regarding second point, my comment was PD did not require to struggle to be in the lime light. Please check again. I did not tell that PD did not work hard for his singing. Neeraj jee also said in his interview that they considered PD and Sawai as the potential winner in the beginning. The makers tried everything to create hype for PD to ensure TRP. They highlighted PD in Super Dancer Show (II and SD makers are inter related imo), judges gave him standing ovation on the table!!!, Anu Malik campaigned for him in traffic with a mike, he was given 5 songs to sing in a single episode, what not!!! All these were done for him, not for his performance but to create hype for him. He was in the lime light in the show from the very 1st day for his large fanbase existing while joining the show for TRP purpose. He didn't struggle at all for the lime light. The other contestants had to struggle to snatch the lime light. The talented SMP is still ignored by the makers!!! So, definitely the story of PD and other contestants is not same in terms of attracting the attention of the makers.

I don't blame PD for all these unless it is proven that he joined the show with a condition that he should be declared as the winner and in consideration he will secure TRP of the show. It is the fat headed makers who have pushed PD in this situation. He was portrayed as the god of music ignoring the talent of all other contestants. Now at this moment, it is visible that the other contestants are also at par with PD as a singer if not better. PD is in 'no win' situation imo. Now if PD wins there will be a good segment of people who will say that PD has won as part of pre fixed game. He will not get the respect as a winner from a notable portion of the audience. If he does not win that will definitely dent his achievement so far including winning the voice.

However, I have trust on PD's talent that he will be able to overcome this temporary negative perception with his singing magic after the II. 😃

I will request PD fans to understand that I am not against PD or I am not telling that he does not sing well. I am actually against the system which allows finalists or even winner of a national level singing competition for seniors to join another national level singing competition. I will not support that Revanth joins next SaReGaMaPa season after 5 years of winning II or any winner/finalist of Rising Star or Raw Star to join next SaReGaMaPa season. It will limit the scope of flourishing the new talents. The singing reality shows should have a disqualification clause for the finalists of other national level singing competitions. But the show makers are encouraging such joining to ensure their TRP sadly. ☹

I don't find any problem for participants of junior level or regional level participants to join a national level singing competition for seniors.😁

Any disagreement is most welcome 😃

I wish PD and other contestants a bright singing career. 😃👍

I also feel he is an itsy-bitsy player and not a top notch singer.

He is shown to play the harmonium, dholak, guitar and drums which can anyone with some sense of music can play, he is known to play the tabla as well how good is he at it ??

I am sure all of them will be knowing the harmonium, Nihal plays the keyboard and guitar, Sawai played dholak and manjira as well, Ashish too plays the guitar.

That is the price he is paying for being a Jack of all trades, singing, instruments and now composer as well. Better to be a master of one and be known for it than an amateur .

I had read somewhere that he has won the voice and using all his Bollywood contacts to win plus he is a backdoor entry he was in contact with the makers since some time.

He is in the show only and only for TRP's which shrewd businessman would kill the golden goose which is laying golden eggs.

I have doubts even about the humble-bumble image that they have created behind the curtains he is a very different person.

Originally posted by: cosmos2021

I also feel he is an itsy-bitsy player and not a top notch singer.

He is shown to play the harmonium, dholak, guitar and drums which can anyone with some sense of music can play, he is known to play the tabla as well how good is he at it ??

I am sure all of them will be knowing the harmonium, Nihal plays the keyboard and guitar, Sawai played dholak and manjira as well, Ashish too plays the guitar.

That is the price he is paying for being a Jack of all trades, singing, instruments and now composer as well. Better to be a master of one and be known for it than an amateur .

I had read somewhere that he has won the voice and using all his Bollywood contacts to win plus he is a backdoor entry he was in contact with the makers since some time.

He is in the show only and only for TRP's which shrewd businessman would kill the golden goose which is laying golden eggs.

I have doubts even about the humble-bumble image that they have created behind the curtains he is a very different person.

No comments on Pawandeep, as don't have much idea about his accomplishments in earlier programmes, but I feel it is unfair that others are not allowed to show their prowess in handling musical instruments.

Like as you have said, Nihal plays the keyboard/guitar, Ashish guitar. Also heard that Arunita can play harmonium, and the credit for it also was given to Pawandeep!

Only recently SMP was allowed to perform with Kazoo.

If only all the contestants are given a level playing field, and allowed to show their complete talent!

Originally posted by: cosmos2021

I also feel he is an itsy-bitsy player and not a top notch singer.

He is shown to play the harmonium, dholak, guitar and drums which can anyone with some sense of music can play, he is known to play the tabla as well how good is he at it ??

I am sure all of them will be knowing the harmonium, Nihal plays the keyboard and guitar, Sawai played dholak and manjira as well, Ashish too plays the guitar.

That is the price he is paying for being a Jack of all trades, singing, instruments and now composer as well. Better to be a master of one and be known for it than an amateur .

I had read somewhere that he has won the voice and using all his Bollywood contacts to win plus he is a backdoor entry he was in contact with the makers since some time.

He is in the show only and only for TRP's which shrewd businessman would kill the golden goose which is laying golden eggs.

I have doubts even about the humble-bumble image that they have created behind the curtains he is a very different person.

Bollywood contacts? Didn't somebody say here that even after winning a show he hasn't found any work in BW? To contacts kahan se aaye?

For the first time, an undeserving average contestant might win the Indian idol trophy. I think this will set a very bad precedent for the future seasons and the credibility of this show.

People should be consistent in their criticizing..either he is a good singer or not..either he is a good musician or not..being a winner of another show plays in his favor or not. Being makers' chosen one will be bane for him or boon..

Audience is crazy enough to choose him based on his 'non talent' or makers forced the audience to choose him coz of their own perception that he is talented?

Neeraj Sir perfectly summed up..some people have the X factor..Vidhyut Jamwal cannot be a Salman Khan or Tiger Shroff inspite of his looks, acting or Dancing skills..aur Pawan me hai wo X factor..aap uske baare me kuch nahi Kar sakte..

Whether he wins or not, deserves or not he has the popularity and nobody can change that

Originally posted by: cosmos2021

I also feel he is an itsy-bitsy player and not a top notch singer.

He is shown to play the harmonium, dholak, guitar and drums which can anyone with some sense of music can play, he is known to play the tabla as well how good is he at it ??

I am sure all of them will be knowing the harmonium, Nihal plays the keyboard and guitar, Sawai played dholak and manjira as well, Ashish too plays the guitar.

That is the price he is paying for being a Jack of all trades, singing, instruments and now composer as well. Better to be a master of one and be known for it than an amateur .

I had read somewhere that he has won the voice and using all his Bollywood contacts to win plus he is a backdoor entry he was in contact with the makers since some time.

He is in the show only and only for TRP's which shrewd businessman would kill the golden goose which is laying golden eggs.

I have doubts even about the humble-bumble image that they have created behind the curtains he is a very different person.

He ain't even a jack forget master. I skip his performances. Only the weakest singers get the best songs so that they are not exposed. He is one of them. But the best part is he still gets exposed even with such popular songs because he is below average and manages to ruin even the popular songs.