Keemat kisne lagayi?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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So I finally caught up with the episode.

Now, before I say anything else, I would like to say, that I am in no way trying to bash Raavi or prove that she is wrong and Shiva is right, nor am I trying to justify the manhandling, crude choice of words, or today's precap.

If you watch it carefully, we can see, twice Shiva tried to keep Raavi out of the kangan issue. He told Dhara, in the precise words, "Ye baat Raavi ki ni hai bhabhi." When he explained the value of the kangans, how it was his father's last gift to his mom, and it was rightfully hers, even Suman became emotional. She tried to stop him, but you could see in her eyes how much those kangans meant to her. Still when Raavi asked tu aisa kaise kar sakta hai, he clearly told her, "Ye tere baare mein nahi hai Raavi, ye Mami aur mere beech ka matter hai." He was not the one to bring Raavi in between them, at that particular day at least.

On the contrary, it was Mami who equalized Raavi with kangan, as if she were an object. She is the one who said ki jab tu yaha se jaayega na to tere saath sirf meri Raavi jaayegi, ye kangan nahi. Ideally speaking, yes Shiva should have stopped her from bringing Raavi in between. But you have to understand, at this point, he had been provoked thoroughly. He was too emotionally volatile at that time, to fully process the implications of what Mami said, or what he is about to say. Yes, he was wrong to have said what he said. But Mami knew he was bound to make a mistake when he is in such a vulnerable state, which is why she deliberately bought Raavi in between, and successfully manipulated Shiva.

Shiva has done many things to hurt Raavi. Raavi's anger is very much justified. Shiva needs to reflect on his actions, understand that he has to control his aggression, find a healthy way to vent, realize his mistake, and sincerely apologize and seek forgiveness from Raavi. His actions need to change.

But what I am saying is, I agree Shiva is wrong, but he is not the main culprit here.

Mami genuinely loving Raavi and raising her with love and care for so many years CANNOT be a justification for her wrong deeds.

I understand that for Raavi, she is like her mother, she is stuck between the two, and she was hurt by Shiva. So her being angry with him is very much correct.

But the whole onus of the fight cannot be put on Shiva. Mami knows which point to press in order to hurt Shiva and she did exactly that.

I would again like to emphasize that in today's precap, I am very much upset with Shiva. And yes, he could have, and should have handled the whole issue better. But what I am saying is, he is not evil, Mami is.


Would like to hear your thought and opinions.


PS. Sincere request, please don't make it a Shiva vs Raavi thing. I love and support both the characters, and do not want to see either of them being bashed.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I agree what you said..


Regarding pre-cap, I kinda have a feeling that its Maami's dream.

Think about it 80lb Maami and carrying her to the top and no one followed? strange isn't it? and we should not forgot Maami is hell scared of Shiva since yesterday and constantly fearing he would take his mother's Kangan anytime... So she must have seen him and subconsciously dreamed about it.


I have strong feeling everything will be sorted at Raavi's birthday only and in evening we will be seeing Shivi's special birthday celebration. Only two of them.cz raat abhi baaki hai..! Also, I am already dreaming Raavi is sleeping beside Shiva not opposite.

Ohhh gosh I am already expecting alot

Edited by tintin1234 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tintin1234

I agree what you said..


Regarding pre-cap, I kinda have a feeling that its Maami's dream.

Think about it 80lb Maami and carrying her to the top and no one followed? strange isn't it? and we should not forgot Maami is hell scared of Shiva since yesterday and constantly fearing he would take his mother's Kangan anytime... So she must have seen him and subconsciously dreamed about it.


I have strong feeling everything will be sorted at Raavi's birthday only and in evening we will be seeing Shivi's special birthday celebration. Only two of them.cz raat abhi baaki hai..! Also, I am already dreaming Raavi is sleeping beside Shiva not opposite.

Ohhh gosh I am already expecting alot

I'll be the happiest person if its a dream, I do not want to see Shiva fall that low❤️

Now you've got me expecting too!!😆

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Posted: 4 years ago
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In today's episode we get Shiva's pov as to why he didn't take raavi with him

Fine !!! It's his pov , his intentions were not wrong but still he hurt her and hurt her really bad it was not the correct way of doing this but then he has serious anger issues and he needs to work on that.

Having said that IAM surprised that not even once raavi has told Maami to give that kangan. I mean she fine she is her mother and all but what's wrong is wrong atleast chori ka maal wapas dedo ulta flaunt karrahe hai

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I agree ki maami had put words in Shiva's mourh

Raavi should have taken class of maami by showi g her how kangan was more important to her than her daughter. Maami should have thrown the kangan on Shivas face ......but greedy she is


But Shiva was wrong too.....he should have told maami that Raavi ki barabari kangan se maat kar.....that should have been it.......he insulted Raavi n is equally responsible for ruining her respect

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Sunrise.

In today's episode we get Shiva's pov as to why he didn't take raavi with him

Fine !!! It's his pov , his intentions were not wrong but still he hurt her and hurt her really bad it was not the correct way of doing this but then he has serious anger issues and he needs to work on that.

Having said that IAM surprised that not even once raavi has told Maami to give that kangan. I mean she fine she is her mother and all but what's wrong is wrong atleast chori ka maal wapas dedo ulta flaunt karrahe hai

I wrote the same in some other thread too. After Suman told Raavi about the stealing, I wanted her to question maami about the kangan. She looks upto maami as her mother is fine but that should never make her support her wrongdoings. The fact maami is ready to sacrifice her daughter's happiness for the kangan speaks volumes and Raavi should realise this ASAP. For maami her greed and ego has always been the priority, not her daughters.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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💯 Even I felt the same way, it's maami who's at a greater fault though I'm not trivialising Shiva's fault either. Maami's continuous provocations made Shiva choose this way. He actually wanted not to bring Raavi into the matter but maami kept using Raavi as her shield against the Pandya. And she knew with Raavi standing in between the Pandyas' won't act against her. This belief of maami seems to have pushed Shiva over the edgeand he became desperate to prove that using Raavi as the trump card isn't going to save her from him. As far as his treatment of Raavi is concerned, he's a long way to go before he starts respecting her , considers her emotional needs and care for the things that may hurt her. He's still can't see her completely beyond his MKBKB glares. And that's definitely one thing that didn't let him have a second thought about how his actions are going to affect her.

As for Raavi, she did a perfect job by standing up for herself . She is no object to be used as a leverage between two rivals as and when needed. I don't expect her to forgive Shiva easily. She deserves a strong, heartfelt apology for the mistreatment. And after all this is over I want Raavi to see maami and her deeds in an unbiased light ,to realise how maami prioritised her greed, ego and the will to destroy the Pandyas' over her daughters' happiness ( because she's the one to instigate Anita for breaking her marriage with Gautam too and she's doing the same with Raavi).

About today's precap, I have no idea what to say. I don't really know what the CVs are trying to show us by making Shiva do all the stupid kaands back to back. But I'll wait for the episode to air before forming a final opinion.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: reeyacute

I agree ki maami had put words in Shiva's mourh

Raavi should have taken class of maami by showi g her how kangan was more important to her than her daughter. Maami should have thrown the kangan on Shivas face ......but greedy she is


But Shiva was wrong too.....he should have told maami that Raavi ki barabari kangan se maat kar.....that should have been it.......he insulted Raavi n is equally responsible for ruining her respect

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That's exactly the point I was trying to make. He is equally responsible, not more responsible than Mami.

Shiva was most definitely wrong, I am not trying to absolve him of his mistake. I just get why he lost control that time and acted without thinking things through. That said, he obviously needs to understand and apologize. Not just apologize, bring changes in his behavior.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Mami ne bhi keemat lagayi, Shiva ne bhi keemat lagayi. The intentions and provocation doesn't matter. Mami is evil while Shiva is not . But by this harkat "at this time" and in this way, he proved Mami right. Mami never wanted Shiva raavi marriage and she has been trying to prove it to her that Shiva is jungle anpadh gawar. Shiva gave her that opportunity.



Why does raavi take mami's side ? It really doesn't matter. She expects respect from shivas side....to her and her family. Probably at some other time she would have asked prafulla to return the kangan but she never expected shiva to put a condition like this....She has been trying to explain both sides without any good result....she asked Mami to not fight with Shiva.. she asked Shiva the same. No matter how wrong Mami is , shivas family decided on the alliance after forgetting the past. After knowing that Mami won't change, they decided to have raavi as their bahu. So both sides need to accept facts and adjust accordingly.

Edited by _charu_ - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Oeindrila

💯 Even I felt the same way, it's maami who's at a greater fault though I'm not trivialising Shiva's fault either. Maami's continuous provocations made Shiva choose this way. He actually wanted not to bring Raavi into the matter but maami kept using Raavi as her shield against the Pandya. And she knew with Raavi standing in between the Pandyas' won't act against her. This belief of maami seems to have pushed Shiva over the edgeand he became desperate to prove that using Raavi as the trump card isn't going to save her from him. As far as his treatment of Raavi is concerned, he's a long way to go before he starts respecting her , considers her emotional needs and care for the things that may hurt her. He's still can't see her completely beyond his MKBKB glares. And that's definitely one thing that didn't let him have a second thought about how his actions are going to affect her.

As for Raavi, she did a perfect job by standing up for herself . She is no object to be used as a leverage between two rivals as and when needed. I don't expect her to forgive Shiva easily. She deserves a strong, heartfelt apology for the mistreatment. And after all this is over I want Raavi to see maami and her deeds in an unbiased light ,to realise how maami prioritised her greed, ego and the will to destroy the Pandyas' over her daughters' happiness ( because she's the one to instigate Anita for breaking her marriage with Gautam too and she's doing the same with Raavi).

About today's precap, I have no idea what to say. I don't really know what the CVs are trying to show us by making Shiva do all the stupid kaands back to back. But I'll wait for the episode to air before forming a final opinion.

Exactly, Raavi being angry at Shiva is completely justified.

I just get why Shiva became angry. But I also know that Shiva needs to realize his mistake and work on it.

And I get that right now Raavi is hurt. But once she processes this completely, I hope she realizes Mami's mistakes as well, instead of just holding Shiva responsible.

Edited by hedwig_potter - 4 years ago

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