Changing Shiva? Is it really that important? - Page 2

💯💯 another great post!

If they decide to change Shiva's appearance because of any other reason apart from he CHOOSES to then there's no hope for this show. I hate how they have these ready made tags just for Shiva - jungli bhalu, gawar, unpad - like his inner feelings don't matter, like he's less than them. It kinda hurts me that because he has a different image to the others, because he has a hard exterior and he looks like he can take it, it's so easy to treat him with less empathy and less sensitivity.

I loved the comparison between Shiva and Dev - one is considered a gentleman...but look at all the hurt he caused? The other is not considered a gentleman, but there he was cleaning up this gentleman's mess.

Abit like the Rishita incident, where Suman criticised her clothes - when that was not acceptable, how is this?

If he cannot be himself with his family then there's no hope for him with others. I think we could all relate somehow about not being accepted or having to change ourselves for others.

To solely address the question in your title, the answer is yes; there are certain qualities about Shiva that need to change and it is vital that these changes occur. Since the body of your post is centred around beauty, my reply would be the same.

If there is one absolute truth about beauty, then it's the fact that it is entirely subjective. What may seem ideal to one person may not be the same to another. To dictate the type of clothes a person should wear is moot, but the quality of them is not.

Let's take Shiva's clothing for instance. Inherently, there is nothing wrong with them. His outfit, which is comprised of a plaid shirt, vest and jeans, is a look that is quite common. Heck, it's one that I myself sport the most. It starts becoming an issue however, when it's layered with filth and is tattered beyond repair. We haven't seen the latter part happening with his clothes which is a plus, but there have been a fair amount of comments made on the former state.

Yes, Shiva works in a store and does a lot of hard labor, but that doesn't give him the licence to be unclean 24/7. If he chooses not to shower before heading into work, knowing that he will be covered in grime and sweat all day, that's fine. But after he is officially done work for the day, he should take some time out to give himself a proper wash so that he can wipe off all the filth he collected from the day. At this point, it's no longer a matter of appearance, but rather personal hygiene.

Hygiene, contrary to what people may believe, is not about the aesthetics of looking or smelling good. It's about maintaining a practice of cleanliness to help prevent illnesses or disease. This practice can range from taking daily showers to brushing twice a day; clipping one's fingernails or cleaning out one's hairbrush. The point remains that no matter what the practice is, the end goal is to be clean.

If Raavi is constantly harping about Shiva's clothes being unclean or having bad body odor, then it shouldn't be dismissed as her being shallow or superficial in terms of beauty. These are valid concerns about the way a person conducts themselves that need to be addressed.

While we are on the matter of Raavi, why are we holding the expectation for her to accept Shiva as he is? What's wrong with her wanting her partner to be well dressed, clean, and appealing to the eye? Why are we saying that she, as a woman, should learn how to compromise with the man in her life rather than the other way around? If Raavi has an objection to the style of Shiva's clothes (which she hasn't shown any blatant sign of), then again, she shouldn't be vilified for it. It's simply a matter of attraction. A very clear sign of this was shown during the bonfire when Shiva dressed well for the night. A crisp, solid black shirt, and hair nicely done, he looked quite good for a man who never put that much attention to his appearance. Even without his clothes, Raavi is shown to be attracted to him as we have seen her check Shiva out while he was chopping wood, or was bare chested before her. By this, we know that at least for Raavi there is a very base attraction towards him which gets heightened when Shiva takes the time out to present himself well. Is it wrong of her to feel this way? No, it's not. We all have our own preferences in terms of style, and it applies to the kind of people we get attracted to.

Now, people can claim that looks don't matter but I disagree. Looks do matter. Not so much in the matter of how others perceive you, but rather, how you perceive yourself. If you wear stained clothes, don't brush your teeth properly, or keep your hair all unkempt and tangled, then it shows a lack of care on a very basic level. Self-grooming doesn't have to be viewed as a narcissistic act. Rather, it should be viewed as a person taking the time out of the day to take care of themselves because they love themselves and the body they dwell in. This love runs both aesthetically, biologically, and romantically.

No woman should ever have to teach her romantic partner the basics of self hygiene. She's not his mother, and in the case of Shiva, (when he apparently has two mothers to claim), Raavi should NOT be the one teaching him how to be clean. These are matters that he should have learnt a long time ago as he was growing up. If he doesn't, then it should be on him to learn these things for himself. There is absolutely nothing sexier than a man who knows how to take care of himself and knows how to dress well for an occasion. If he needs to be told everything related to cleanliness such as go take a shower because you stink, then I'm sorry, but you're not a grown man, you're just a man-baby. And no woman wants to be stuck with a man-baby for the rest of her life.

This has gotten extremely long, but the gist of it is that when it comes to personal hygiene, Shiva needs to change the way he conducts himself, and Raavi shouldn't be vilified for the kind of man that she wants as a romantic partner. To expect her to "settle" and compromise on her standards simply because she's stuck with Shiva now is sexist and saddening.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

To solely address the question in your title, the answer is yes; there are certain qualities about Shiva that need to change and it is vital that these changes occur. Since the body of your post is centred around beauty, my reply would be the same.

If there is one absolute truth about beauty, then it's the fact that it is entirely subjective. What may seem ideal to one person may not be the same to another. To dictate the type of clothes a person should wear is moot, but the quality of them is not.

Let's take Shiva's clothing for instance. Inherently, there is nothing wrong with them. His outfit, which is comprised of a plaid shirt, vest and jeans, is a look that is quite common. Heck, it's one that I myself sport the most. It starts becoming an issue however, when it's layered with filth and is tattered beyond repair. We haven't seen the latter part happening with his clothes which is a plus, but there have been a fair amount of comments made on the former state.

Yes, Shiva works in a store and does a lot of hard labor, but that doesn't give him the licence to be unclean 24/7. If he chooses not to shower before heading into work, knowing that he will be covered in grime and sweat all day, that's fine. But after he is officially done work for the day, he should take some time out to give himself a proper wash so that he can wipe off all the filth he collected from the day. At this point, it's no longer a matter of appearance, but rather personal hygiene.

Hygiene, contrary to what people may believe, is not about the aesthetics of looking or smelling good. It's about maintaining a practice of cleanliness to help prevent illnesses or disease. This practice can range from taking daily showers to brushing twice a day; clipping one's fingernails or cleaning out one's hairbrush. The point remains that no matter what the practice is, the end goal is to be clean.

If Raavi is constantly harping about Shiva's clothes being unclean or having bad body odor, then it shouldn't be dismissed as her being shallow or superficial in terms of beauty. These are valid concerns about the way a person conducts themselves that need to be addressed.

While we are on the matter of Raavi, why are we holding the expectation for her to accept Shiva as he is? What's wrong with her wanting her partner to be well dressed, clean, and appealing to the eye? Why are we saying that she, as a woman, should learn how to compromise with the man in her life rather than the other way around? If Raavi has an objection to the style of Shiva's clothes (which she hasn't shown any blatant sign of), then again, she shouldn't be vilified for it. It's simply a matter of attraction. A very clear sign of this was shown during the bonfire when Shiva dressed well for the night. A crisp, solid black shirt, and hair nicely done, he looked quite good for a man who never put that much attention to his appearance. Even without his clothes, Raavi is shown to be attracted to him as we have seen her check Shiva out while he was chopping wood, or was bare chested before her. By this, we know that at least for Raavi there is a very base attraction towards him which gets heightened when Shiva takes the time out to present himself well. Is it wrong of her to feel this way? No, it's not. We all have our own preferences in terms of style, and it applies to the kind of people we get attracted to.

Now, people can claim that looks don't matter but I disagree. Looks do matter. Not so much in the matter of how others perceive you, but rather, how you perceive yourself. If you wear stained clothes, don't brush your teeth properly, or keep your hair all unkempt and tangled, then it shows a lack of care on a very basic level. Self-grooming doesn't have to be viewed as a narcissistic act. Rather, it should be viewed as a person taking the time out of the day to take care of themselves because they love themselves and the body they dwell in. This love runs both aesthetically, biologically, and romantically.

No woman should ever have to teach her romantic partner the basics of self hygiene. She's not his mother, and in the case of Shiva, (when he apparently has two mothers to claim), Raavi should NOT be the one teaching him how to be clean. These are matters that he should have learnt a long time ago as he was growing up. If he doesn't, then it should be on him to learn these things for himself. There is absolutely nothing sexier than a man who knows how to take care of himself and knows how to dress well for an occasion. If he needs to be told everything related to cleanliness such as go take a shower because you stink, then I'm sorry, but you're not a grown man, you're just a man-baby. And no woman wants to be stuck with a man-baby for the rest of her life.

This has gotten extremely long, but the gist of it is that when it comes to personal hygiene, Shiva needs to change the way he conducts himself, and Raavi shouldn't be vilified for the kind of man that she wants as a romantic partner. To expect her to "settle" and compromise on her standards simply because she's stuck with Shiva now is sexist and saddening.

Won't! This comment has my heart! Thank you for putting it so beautifully!

Miss, probably you have gotten it all wrong, and my post is anything but sexist!

Raavi’s expectations as a romantic partner are NOT wrong, and nowhere is she being Vilified for wanting what she wants.

The post is not about hygiene; we all want Shiva to bathe and clean himself. That's a given, and that will eventually come.

Also, the post isn't about Raavi SEttling for anything less.

The post is about seeing Shiva beyond his superficial clothing! The objective is NOT Raavi settling for less but seeing beyond the basics of clothing.

Maybe you misunderstood the whole point. I am someone who would call out even the slightest hint of sexism or calling out Raavi. I have been her primary supporter always, and I think the poor girl has been hit by the worst misfortune ever. Nothing in this world can make her pain easier. She has been wronged and shall always have my soft corner.

She doesn't need to compromise, but this marriage is anything but compromise for both parties; the damage is already done. The least they can do is to at least mutually respect each other for what they are. Which is NOT the case.

Also, now that he has a partner, staying unclean will not be an option anymore. But, if someone smells like his profession throughout the day, then it's probably not his fault. If you see, most of the menial work is done by him all the time while the brothers stick to cash and counter work.

I shall give you some more example. When I used to live with my in laws, I used to smell like kitchen always by the end of the day covered in grime, turmeric aroma and sweat. We didn't have maids nor AC’s anywhere. I didn't even have the basic energy to shower before bed as I had to wake up the next day early morning for house chores. My lack of hygiene was A reality then. I was reprimanded by hubby all the time, but he made sure he pressed my feet before I went to sleep and not ask me to shower at all.

I had matted hair and sweaty underarms. Did go without waxing for days. I have lived a life in a house exactly like theirs and can understand bad body odour.

He is doing laborious work all the time and that's his reality.

Coming to your point about the gentleman, clothes don't make a gentleman; Shiva did clean up well and did show that when he is not toiling, he can shower properly and groom himself.

@Bold Had it been Raavi who was in Shiva’s place; I would have taken the same stand for her. No sexism. If Raavi was being asked to change, I would have equal problems. Raavi being lectured by Dhara to play wife forcibly equally angers me. Even when she was asked to cook for him and clean his clothes, I had a massive problem. I hate man-children and hate the pressure given by Dhara on Raavi. But, if you see Shiva barely has any expectations from her at all.

Both Shiva and Raavi need to love each other without any prejudice! The correct answer would be her getting angry, saying that Shiva should say that he can't dress up like others because he does all the laborious work and clothing doesn't matter. He gets dirty in the process. A late-night shower can work. He can't be prim and proper the whole day.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

To solely address the question in your title, the answer is yes; there are certain qualities about Shiva that need to change and it is vital that these changes occur. Since the body of your post is centred around beauty, my reply would be the same.

If there is one absolute truth about beauty, then it's the fact that it is entirely subjective. What may seem ideal to one person may not be the same to another. To dictate the type of clothes a person should wear is moot, but the quality of them is not.

Let's take Shiva's clothing for instance. Inherently, there is nothing wrong with them. His outfit, which is comprised of a plaid shirt, vest and jeans, is a look that is quite common. Heck, it's one that I myself sport the most. It starts becoming an issue however, when it's layered with filth and is tattered beyond repair. We haven't seen the latter part happening with his clothes which is a plus, but there have been a fair amount of comments made on the former state.

Yes, Shiva works in a store and does a lot of hard labor, but that doesn't give him the licence to be unclean 24/7. If he chooses not to shower before heading into work, knowing that he will be covered in grime and sweat all day, that's fine. But after he is officially done work for the day, he should take some time out to give himself a proper wash so that he can wipe off all the filth he collected from the day. At this point, it's no longer a matter of appearance, but rather personal hygiene.

Hygiene, contrary to what people may believe, is not about the aesthetics of looking or smelling good. It's about maintaining a practice of cleanliness to help prevent illnesses or disease. This practice can range from taking daily showers to brushing twice a day; clipping one's fingernails or cleaning out one's hairbrush. The point remains that no matter what the practice is, the end goal is to be clean.

If Raavi is constantly harping about Shiva's clothes being unclean or having bad body odor, then it shouldn't be dismissed as her being shallow or superficial in terms of beauty. These are valid concerns about the way a person conducts themselves that need to be addressed.

While we are on the matter of Raavi, why are we holding the expectation for her to accept Shiva as he is? What's wrong with her wanting her partner to be well dressed, clean, and appealing to the eye? Why are we saying that she, as a woman, should learn how to compromise with the man in her life rather than the other way around? If Raavi has an objection to the style of Shiva's clothes (which she hasn't shown any blatant sign of), then again, she shouldn't be vilified for it. It's simply a matter of attraction. A very clear sign of this was shown during the bonfire when Shiva dressed well for the night. A crisp, solid black shirt, and hair nicely done, he looked quite good for a man who never put that much attention to his appearance. Even without his clothes, Raavi is shown to be attracted to him as we have seen her check Shiva out while he was chopping wood, or was bare chested before her. By this, we know that at least for Raavi there is a very base attraction towards him which gets heightened when Shiva takes the time out to present himself well. Is it wrong of her to feel this way? No, it's not. We all have our own preferences in terms of style, and it applies to the kind of people we get attracted to.

Now, people can claim that looks don't matter but I disagree. Looks do matter. Not so much in the matter of how others perceive you, but rather, how you perceive yourself. If you wear stained clothes, don't brush your teeth properly, or keep your hair all unkempt and tangled, then it shows a lack of care on a very basic level. Self-grooming doesn't have to be viewed as a narcissistic act. Rather, it should be viewed as a person taking the time out of the day to take care of themselves because they love themselves and the body they dwell in. This love runs both aesthetically, biologically, and romantically.

No woman should ever have to teach her romantic partner the basics of self hygiene. She's not his mother, and in the case of Shiva, (when he apparently has two mothers to claim), Raavi should NOT be the one teaching him how to be clean. These are matters that he should have learnt a long time ago as he was growing up. If he doesn't, then it should be on him to learn these things for himself. There is absolutely nothing sexier than a man who knows how to take care of himself and knows how to dress well for an occasion. If he needs to be told everything related to cleanliness such as go take a shower because you stink, then I'm sorry, but you're not a grown man, you're just a man-baby. And no woman wants to be stuck with a man-baby for the rest of her life.

This has gotten extremely long, but the gist of it is that when it comes to personal hygiene, Shiva needs to change the way he conducts himself, and Raavi shouldn't be vilified for the kind of man that she wants as a romantic partner. To expect her to "settle" and compromise on her standards simply because she's stuck with Shiva now is sexist and saddening.

Omg ! 💯

I came.to the thread to say "exactly " this, thx a ton for putting it out SO beautifully. 👏👏👌

I saw the epi today and related to raavi completely. She felt "insulted" and any woman will. If a husband expects his wife to be dressed up, there is nothing wrong in it ..yes , if he takes it too far , like constantly demean her , compare her , then we can say that her individuality was not respected. Similarly a wife also feels good about her husband if he is presentable .maintaining a good hygiene is such a basic thing...I can't stay within 2 mtrs of the person who is smelling bad . (Body odor.. not masale tel ki smell ) ..I didn't find anything wrong in raavi asking herself "why can't he be a gentleman" ? Her expectation is not to fit Shiva in her hero mould..her expectation is that nobody gets a chance to humiliate him. It's good that she saw this as "her " insult. Such a wifey thing.

Just imagine raavi not taking a bath for week or ten days , wear torn clothes / same clothes for days and not follow basic hygiene? What impression will it give to people ? That whoever loves her should love her the way she is ? Definetly raavi will love Shiva for who he is, this has nothing to do with his hygiene which is imp to keep.

Originally posted by: mpks1

I agree with your post completely. I do not like whatever they are doing with Shiva😕His sanki-ness and swag are part of him and his clothes too. All he needs to do is wash and wear them. His plaid shirts look perfectly fine and we have seen him in the past wearing shirts all buttoned up. And most of the time he dresses for special occasions like Sangeet, Haldi, wedding, which ultimately turned out to be his wedding as well and Bonfire too.

Is Rishita changing her obnoxious behavior? She doesn't leave a chance to insult everybody in Pandya niwas.

Dhara doesn't change her controlling behavior and physical abuse and constantly giving dulayi ki dhamki to ShiVi.

Suman, Dev and others all have bad traits and attributes, nobody wants to change them.

But Shiva being like this is an insult to everyoneand Raavi also feels that way😕

I do not want Shiva to change completely, you have to let this person be for who he is.

You know, it shows that if you are nasty at heart but have a clean body, you can practically get away with anything. My problem is not with Shiva being asked to maintain basic hygiene; my problem is that everyone gets a chance to humiliate him just because he does all the odd jobs, as Rishita says very clearly - he does all the work of a servant.

While Dev, Krish and Gaumbi were relaxing in the pehli Rasoi Rasam, Shiva was the one bringing firewood and helping the women around in heat. He could have chilled too and showered focussing on his hygiene and grooming instead.

Originally posted by: janecastle

Wonderful post. I have said this earlier too, Shiva can wear whatever he wants, no one has a right to question that. He looks pretty comfortable in whatever he wears. And there is something attractive about people who are comfortable in their own skin and doesn't give a damn about society's set standards. I like people like Shiva who refuses to bow down to pressure of society to conform to certain standards. He looks pretty comfortable in his skin and now it is upto Raavi to see beyond her shallow understanding of a person's looks and see him for what he is. She needs to realize this so-called gentleman image she has in her mind is not for everyone. And these gentlemen are not always what they appear to be. Look at Dev himself. He is said to be a well dressed gentleman. But look what he did to the two girls. He couldn't stand up for the woman he claimed to love or for the woman he dragged till the altar. So, clothing doesn't always dictate a person's personality or his qualities. Raavi needs to rise above her own prejudiced mindset and learn to see beyond the outer appearances of a person.

I loved how they dealt with dressing thing in malayalam version. Anjali (Raavi) went from someone who was obsessed with her husband's clothing and style to someone who appreciates all her husband's good qualities. She realized what a good person he is inside out and how his clothes don't define him .She even confessed to him that she now likes him for who he is and is not bothered about what he wears. Even then, he did make some changes in his dressing style while going out with her, so that no one would question his wife about her husband's clothes. It was brilliantly portrayed how both husband and wife understood each other and struck a perfect balance. I wish to see a progression like that in hindi version too. Both of them need to see the other from a more deeper light and learn to appreciate the other person for who they are.

Exactly my point, clothes don't define a man and more so when she has seen someone from childhood.

Originally posted by: Transference

Won't! This comment has my heart! Thank you for putting it so beautifully!

Miss, probably you have gotten it all wrong, and my post is anything but sexist!

Raavi’s expectations as a romantic partner are NOT wrong, and nowhere is she being Vilified for wanting what she wants.

The post is not about hygiene; we all want Shiva to bathe and clean himself. That's a given, and that will eventually come.

Also, the post isn't about Raavi SEttling for anything less.

The post is about seeing Shiva beyond his superficial clothing! The objective is NOT Raavi settling for less but seeing beyond the basics of clothing.

Maybe you misunderstood the whole point. I am someone who would call out even the slightest hint of sexism or calling out Raavi. I have been her primary supporter always, and I think the poor girl has been hit by the worst misfortune ever. Nothing in this world can make her pain easier. She has been wronged and shall always have my soft corner.

She doesn't need to compromise, but this marriage is anything but compromise for both parties; the damage is already done. The least they can do is to at least mutually respect each other for what they are. Which is NOT the case.

Also, now that he has a partner, staying unclean will not be an option anymore. But, if someone smells like his profession throughout the day, then it's probably not his fault. If you see, most of the menial work is done by him all the time while the brothers stick to cash and counter work.

I shall give you some more example. When I used to live with my in laws, I used to smell like kitchen always by the end of the day covered in grime, turmeric aroma and sweat. We didn't have maids nor AC’s anywhere. I didn't even have the basic energy to shower before bed as I had to wake up the next day early morning for house chores. My lack of hygiene was A reality then. I was reprimanded by hubby all the time, but he made sure he pressed my feet before I went to sleep and not ask me to shower at all.

I had matted hair and sweaty underarms. Did go without waxing for days. I have lived a life in a house exactly like theirs and can understand bad body odour.

He is doing laborious work all the time and that's his reality.

Coming to your point about the gentleman, clothes don't make a gentleman; Shiva did clean up well and did show that when he is not toiling, he can shower properly and groom himself.

I never implied that your post was sexist, rather the ideation that women have to compromise while their partners don't have to change a single thing about themselves is. Apologies if that's the way it was interpreted.

I know that your post is about Shiva's clothing, but the characters in the show have never focused on that being a sole matter of contention. Rather, they have used his clothes and dressing sense to sprout other forms of insults for Shiva such as his poor hygiene and Raavi having to "settle" with him. Ergo, why I brought out these points, as well as they are quite interconnected.

In regards to Raavi and Shiva respecting each other; they both need to respect themselves first. Raavi needs to overcome the trauma she has suffered and move on from her suicidal ideations, while Shiva needs to stop being a doormat for Dhara and learn how to be an individual. They do care for one another, but there is still a lot of friction between them that doesn't really let them have a civil conversation even though they're both well capable of having one. While Raavi is willing to drop their fights and make peace with him, I don't think Shiva really knows how to be with Raavi unless it's constant fight mode. Once Shiva moves past this stance, it's only then that they can start having conversations where they present their point of view without being wholly assertive.

I understand Shiva's line of profession and your lived experience with your in-laws, but it doesn't change my stance on cleanliness. Shiva may not have a problem with the smell since a) he has lived with it for so long that he might not even notice it and b) he genuinely doesn't care. However, now that he is married, he needs to take into account Raavi's likes and dislikes as well. If she's having a huge problem with his odour, then the very least he can do is put on some deodorant.

I'm not sure where in my post you got the idea that clothes make a gentleman? Someone could be dressed to the tens and still end up being the douchiest dick on the planet.

Originally posted by: _charu_

Omg ! 💯

I came.to the thread to say "exactly " this, thx a ton for putting it out SO beautifully. 👏👏👌

I saw the epi today and related to raavi completely. She felt "insulted" and any woman will. If a husband expects his wife to be dressed up, there is nothing wrong in it ..yes , if he takes it too far , like constantly demean her , compare her , then we can say that her individuality was not respected. Similarly a wife also feels good about her husband if he is presentable .maintaining a good hygiene is such a basic thing...I can't stay within 2 mtrs of the person who is smelling bad . (Body odor.. not masale tel ki smell ) ..I didn't find anything wrong in raavi asking herself "why can't he be a gentleman" ? Her expectation is not to fit Shiva in her hero mould..her expectation is that nobody gets a chance to humiliate him. It's good that she saw this as "her " insult. Such a wifey thing.

Just imagine raavi not taking a bath for week or ten days , wear torn clothes / same clothes for days and not follow basic hygiene? What impression will it give to people ? That whoever loves her should love her the way she is ? Definetly raavi will love Shiva for who he is, this has nothing to do with his hygiene which is imp to keep.

Thanks Charu!

I don't expect Shiva to be dressed to the tens every single day, especially given the kind of work that he does. It makes sense for him to wear loose vests and shirts not just because of the amount of sweat that is generated but also for ease of movement, and air circulation. The way he dressed up at the bonfire was a nice way of showing that if he wants, Shiva does have the ability to look extremely handsome. Though they had shown him initially struggling with the tie, they further went on to prove that he doesn't need to wear a three-piece suit to look good. A simple ironed shirt is more than enough to make him extremely attractive.

In fact, I will go on to say that these little efforts of Shiva (of dressing up on special occasions such as dates etc.) can add more flavour and spice to their marital, and sex life. It'll send across the message that Shiva appreciates, respects, and loves her just as much and is willing to put in the extra effort to make himself look presentable in front of her. It's simply another way of showing how much he loves her.

In regards to the smell of masale, tel ki smell - that's not what I have a huge issue with either. When certain foods are being cooked in my home, the entire house gets filled with these aromas and it's why we shut the closets and doors so that they don't cling onto everything. But if it's genuine body odour that the characters are making complaints about, then it's an issue that really does need to be addressed.

I agree. The fact that Raavi is considering all these things about Shiva shows how much she cares for him. If she didn't, then she would have been completely indifferent to the matter and would have let everyone insult him as they wished.

There is nothing wrong with making improvements/changes in our lives when they are for the better. Maintaining hygiene isn't going to kill Shiva; it would instead increase his longevity.

I absolutely love your post yaar!!❤️❤️

And I am so glad to see that there are at least some people who share my viewpoint.🤗

Before I write anything else, firstly, I would like to mention that just like others, I too want Shiva to take a bath everyday, and wear clean clothes and maintain basic hygiene. I also, do agree that for certain occasions one has to dress up properly.

This is why I love that scene when Dev apologizes to Shiva, and then says that he knows his brother, knows that Shiva is internally just like his name, and knows how beautiful he is, inside out, and one day Raavi will realize that too. And I also like how Shiva says he doesn't want to show anyone his beauty. I agree that Shiva longs to be accepted and loved, but he knows that true love can happen only when there is acceptance, and hence he won't change himself. In his words to Dhara, jisko pyaar karna hoga wo aise hi kar legi.

(One of the rare few scenes of Dev, which I genuinely love very much)

Which is why, unless the CVs go bonkers, logically speaking, makers are going to keep Shiva as he is. (Also, in case CVs do go bonkers, then I am going to stop watching)

I know many people believe that, "beauty is only skin deep" and other such phrases are nice to hear but at the end of the day looks matter for everyone. And while that actually is true for many people, but not for everybody.

I myself believe that beauty is of mind, not of body. I know at least some other people do agree with me. They might be less in number, but they exist. Maybe many people might not agree with me, maybe even believe that I am a hypocrite, but that won't change the truth, so I am the least bit concerned about it (no offense).

Man or woman, no one should be judged on the basis of clothes. Everyone has freedom to express themselves the way they want to.

Not going to write a much longer post because, 1) Most of the things have already been put by others very beautifully, 2) Those who already share my views, I don't feel the need to explain anything more to them, 3) Those who do not agree with me, I do not wish to attempt to change their views, they are entitled to their opinions.

Slightly off-topic, but I am also unhappy with the way labor work is being regarded as insulting. I genuinely do believe that no profession is small. Yes some are more demanding jobs, some are more prestigious, but no one should be disrespected in this way.

I already had a beautiful discussion with forum members on prejudice against uneducated people, so again I won't say much.

Anyways, would like to say it again that I loved your post a lot❤️🤗

can i just say......its the most beautiful post i have read regarding this matter....u have analyzed the situation so perfectly........

dev's good looks and his neat clothes doesnt matter when he cant put forth his point amongst his loved ones....he cant stand for what is right....he doesnt have what it takes to be a man........by man i dont mean manly qualities.....he may have hit janardan for insulting his bhabhi ma but eventually got married to rishita forgetting everything.....he lacks spine....

here shiva never bothered about how he looks or how someone else does.....he is confident in his own skin and the way he is and is accepted by his family....i remember how he felt hurt when dhara called him junglee ...he works too hard.....i have issue with that also......i have never seen gautam, dev doing the work he does.......why only him?

he wears his heart on his sleeves.....he is honest, loyal, hard working, trustworthy and pure....no matter how much he disliked raavi he saved her, got married to her on dhara's insistence....and noone dares to say anything to him or his family coz everyone knows he is their to shield dem.........

i loved him the way he is.....by changing him, his essence will be lost......all that makes him what he is....apart from hygiene part(taking bath) i wouldnt want him to change a bit......i dont find his clothes bad......

raavi washed clothes coz she felt embarrassed not out of love or care......as raavi didnt ask for this situation, so as shiva......both are in the same boat......