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Posted: 4 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Sairat


I just scrolled through the topic and its you who needs to be polite ; not me and second I ahve an IHL law degree; you want to have debate on domestic abuse; we can do it..


If you have not watched the episode of getting devkit marriage; you better rewatch it before making such allegations.


Lastly; a person should not himself with a fictional character that he starts attacking actual people.


And please do not reply to this quote if cannot handle basic mannerism.

it applies to both the sides judging someones morals just because they have different opinion is not something good or to be proud off . I am sure since you have a law degree you would know about defamation cases and the ones I listed above. We can discuss that too if needed.


Let's not assume the other person hasn't watched the show. There is something called perspective and that can vary from person to person. It's important to respect other people's opinions and not mock them for having different views.


If you cannot handle me responding to your post then please don't quote me.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

it applies to both the sides judging someones morals just because they have different opinion is not something good or to be proud off . I am sure since you have a law degree you would know about defamation cases and the ones I listed above. We can discuss that too if needed.


Let's not assume the other person hasn't watched the show. There is something called perspective and that can vary from person to person. It's important to respect other people's opinions and not mock them for having different views.


If you cannot handle me responding to your post then please don't quote me.

Okay lets talk defamation case


Defamation is done when one alleges another person of what he/she has not done:


Lets see are you saying Virat and Pakhi were never romantically involved??


Because I am sure; this show started on that note.


Sai has claimed that Virat and Pakhi loves each other.


Pakhi well the woman has confessed it several times.

Virat gave her the epitome vaada because he loved her, gone explaining to her after marrying another girl of same.

Confesses leaving Pakhi was biggest mistake during food throwing scene of false complaint episode.

And later; expressed to sai how much he loves Pakhi..


When has he said he does not loves pakhi anymore to Sai; in clear words??


So how has Sai defamed Virat; I would like to know??

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat

Okay lets talk defamation case


Defamation is done when one alleges another person of what he/she has not done:


Defamation is about tarnishing one's image and reputation.


Lets see are you saying Virat and Pakhi were never romantically involved??


They were romantically involved before marriage when Sai wasn't Virat’s wife and not after their marriage to different partners. It's their past so? Sai was aware of his past before their marriage. Here we are talking about Virat’s character defamation and he wasn't physically or emotionally involved with his SIL after his marriage to Sai.


Because I am sure; this show started on that note.


Sai has claimed that Virat and Pakhi loves each other.


Firstly, it's not Sai’s business to know if they love each other or if the should confess their love because it's a deal marriage and Sai is interested to keep it that way . Anyway leaving that aside. Sai has claimed them to be still in love and was indicating an affair between them which is not true. It defaming Virat character because he is accused of having an affair with his SIL. Again, Sai has no proofs to believe Virat loves Pakhi because he never confessed the girl he promised was Pakhi. Sao doesn't have any evidence to proof Virat had an affair. If he did then why doesn't she raise that but only uses it as tool to hurt him during confrontation?


Pakhi well the woman has confessed it several times.

Virat gave her the epitome vaada because he loved her, gone explaining to her after marrying another girl of same.

Confesses leaving Pakhi was biggest mistake during food throwing scene of false complaint episode.

And later; expressed to sai how much he loves Pakhi..


Correction. He never expressed his love for Pakhi in front of Sai. It was slip of tongue and anyway it's not about him having feelings that Sai was talking about. SHe is hinting at an affair which is completely false hence she is defaming him.


Whatever Vaada was done was before marriage and she was aware of it at the time of marriage so there is no case of misleading here.


Yes he expressed losing Pakhi as he was talking about the past and that doesn't justify Sai’s accusation of the affair as it was in the past. In fact it can termed as mental harrasment for bringing up his past again and again when Virat is no longer in relationship with his SIL.


When has he said he does not loves pakhi anymore to Sai; in clear words??


As a deal husband, why is he expected to clarify that? This is not related to defamation we are talking about.


So how has Sai defamed Virat; I would like to know??

If I have to summarize, by accusing him of having an affair with his SIL in public and repeatedly in front of the family and calling him a toy mostly indicating as sex toy. Let me remind you we are discussing Virat’s character assassination here


My responses in bold and I am tagging the other member who asked me the same question.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: 404_NotFound


My responses in bold and I am tagging the other member who asked me the same question.


What you just told about definition of defamation is wrong; its the outcome not definition.


Second, if Patralekha is his past what is she doing in his present??

Let me tell you:


Interfering in his and Sai's life...WHY??

Because Virat asked her to...for reference you can watch all the episodes after marriage.


Yes, Sai does not have a say when its only about Virat's life but she is being harrassed because she is a part of that life ; courtsey to the deal marriage.

So she has a say; because in this whole mess ; where she was not even a part of; she is dragged because Virat gave his ex the leeway.

Now his ex thinks she has predominant right to do so, in which she harasses the wife.. because she is a deal wife..


Now coming to deal marriage:


Virat said, and I quote "Mai kabhi tumhe apne dil mei jagah nhi dunga"

Mai sirf tumhari zimmedari uthaunga;


First ; her respect is also his zimmedaari

Second; even when Sai asks about Pakhi; he serves jalebis ; he never mentions that Pakhi will be an integral part of "NOT HIS BUT THEIR LIVES".


Now coming to deal marriage how and why it affects Sai


Well as I mentioned earlier; sai has never asked both Virat and Pakhi not to talk and has never interfered in their lives and she just wants the same courtsey extended to her.


When Virakhi were having a private chat ; she never interfered

But when Sai and Virat are having a chat ; pakhi always interferes why?? Becoz virat has never stopped her in initial days.


When Sai and Pakhi aee having a chat ; Virat interferes only to stop Sai..


When Sai is having chat with another male (amay and aniket) he again interferes why??


Lastly, for sex toy;


Sai never accused Virat of being the sex toy but BK of using Virat as of a sex toy..both are different.

And Bk uses Virat as a comodity to lure Patralekha..we all know that..


So tell me again, how Sai has defamed Virat??


Because every time she is called khudgarz, ahsanfaramosh; laalchi and other names by Virat and his family members dhe is the one who is being defamed.


Sai agreed to the deal marriage and I quote Sai: when she had fever: she again asks Virat why her talking with amay bothered him and he carefully says let past be past after humiliating her for straight 2 days..

She again clears that she will not be offended if Virat flirts with someone else but she needs the same courtsey.


Which again was not cleared?? And later Virat goes yo sai's college just to checkout aniket and also gives him a warning to stay away from Sai.


So again, everytime the conditions of deal marriage is broken by Virat but Sai is the culprit..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I've said this from day one too.

Virat may at certain time seemed like he's taken Sai's side but he always lowers the blow when he addresses his beast friends humiliation of Sai. He always used to add things like 'i realise she's a little immature and doesn't understand much" - like really?

And his sitting on the fence behaviour is more annoying than anything.

Even in today's epi why is he saying that Sai shouldn't humiliate Pakhi like that?

He really shows no respect for his wife and mother bcz despite him shutting PP up twice regarding his mother will she hesitate to insults her in the next round ? - of course not!

Sai has mostly stood up for herself.

Even Mohit and Pulkit have shown more backbone when it comes to Sai than 😵Virat

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Virat is not the victim

I have come to a conclusion that people here want to support a victim and they are looking for one in every imaginable portion of the show


For me, Virat is not the victim but Sai is inconsistent


If she believes that her marriage is deal marriage and Virat loves Pakhi then why she doesn't understand the reason Pakhi keeps interrupting them?

If I am in a deal marriage, I know this is not permanent, Pakhi-Virat is permanent, why would I say "I am his wife" to Pakhi? What right do I have in a temporary deal marriage?

I would be focused on creating a future without my deal husband's presence, instead of fighting with his love (As Sai believes)

I don't think Sai is under any illusion that Virat loves Pakhi When Sai knows Virat doesn't like Pakhi's presence and she tells him to stop moving or else "Pakhi didi ko bula dungi", this statement makes me feel like she knows he doesn't like Pakhi, in fact he can't stand her around him


Sai can romance with Virat, She can be all nice to him but of course he is having an affair with his bhabhi

Why would anyone who believes that her husband is cheating on her stay with her husband or accept his advances?

One more thing, if Virat's advances towards her are not expressions of his love then what does she think when he is in love with Pakhi and wants to do it with her?

Sai has never felt like a third wheel, Infact she is very assertive when it comes to fighting for her rights as Virat's wife with Pakhi

This is very complex

Simple version of this is that Sai knows Virat has no feelings for Pakhi (clarified in many scenes in past few days) but she uses the information Virat shared with her to put them down



On the domestic violence topic, why do people who believe that it was domestic violence enjoy Sai romancing with her abuser?

Beautifully summed up..



I feel sai is inconsistent in this regard but at the same time , what she did with devi was out of compassion . She is taking care of virat out of compassion. N she uses her status in the house to continue doing what she feels is right. That is , things like tc / helping out virat, devi , mohit and shivani.


She may feel something for virat but she also believes that virat and pakhi are the endgame, and she will leave all of them once she becomes a doctor . That was the deal..pakhi ki phirki leti hai wo😆 pakhi shouldn't be insecure if she is so much into virat and virat supports her....reacting to his romance ? It's a guilty pleasure for her...she is unaware that she is getting affected by virat..but when it comes to serious issues , she is clear on what she wants...



Coming to virat and him being a victim..I disagree..he is not a victim. He is responsible for a lot of mess in his life and he needs to face it and then simplify it by acknowledging the status of 2 women in his life. One needs to go and one needs.to stay. Pakhi is there in cn bec he coerced her to marry samrat as he didn't wanna hurt samrat ..ab with this changed reality , he needs to figure out kya karna hai and how



Virat never takes a stand for sai in front of pakhi? He hardly does it in front of his family too. I have accepted it as a character flaw. He tries not to disrespect pakhi or his family in front of sai. But opposite isn't true.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

Do point out where I mentioned it was Sai's fault coz I mentioned sai plays a role which people who see serial will really unbiased view will definitely see coz virat was not a mad man who keep manhandling her every day, lekin people forget Sai's actions who always provoke virat . Even an animal attack after one level of provokation , virat too has a tolerance level. Never mind

So IPS Virat Chavan is like an animal. Well then I have nothing to say. Glad to see that you realized that your favorite has stooped to the level of an animal while dealing with his 19 year old wife.


Atleast I don't portray I m not biased , I m virat fan & I say it loudly . I m fan of D great IPS Virat chavan definately not fan of D Sai Joshi who carries a thinking that she is not less than a god herself that why she has to poke her nose in every one's matter to make things correct.

Well just like you are a Virat fan, many are SaiRat fans who appreciate and criticize BOTH of them. Just because you are biased to one character, doesn't mean that everyone else is biased to another. There are many who watch this show for SaiRat, for both Virat and Sai.


Keep laughing🤣🤣🤣coz laughing is good 4 health.

Thanks for the advice.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Aap sai ke liye biased ho sakti hai , par mein virat ke liye biased nhi ho sakti , ye kya baat hai .


Why r u portraying urself unbiased ? Stay true.


Regarding animal it was the example I dint said virat as animal.


There is saying har insaan ke andar ek jaanwar baitha hai jisse control karna usse aana chahiye.


Saying mein jaanwar ka referrence human being ki dark side se hai animal se hai .


Normal human being grey hote sirf excel white nhi hote , virat is a grey character vo sai ki tarah snow white character nhi jiska competition seedhe bhagwan se hota hai.


Koi apne domestic abuser ke saath romance or flirt kaise kar sakta hai ?

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I was a bit shocked by the topic title. But then I read most of the comments and it seemed like a heated discussion. I am a total Sairat shipper. In general, I find most Sai VS Virat posts disappointing and annoying because they are unnecessarily pitted against each other. They are growing individually and together as a couple. So it doesn't really make sense for me to see them being pitted against each other. Koi competition nahi chal rahi un hai dono ka. But I also read how in another post Virat was made to look like a Victim and I assume this was created as a response. Well as an unbiased Sairat shipper I would say this was much needed. Thank you for making this post. Well, it's funny that I read Virat is a victim. He is one but of his actions and unnecessary Vadas.

But for me Sai and Virat are flawed. The script has butchered Virat enough. He was shown as a man of principles but when his anger and insecurity take over he acts nothing less of an animal- throwing out Sai/ denying her food etc. All of these seem out of character for a self-righteous person like Virat. But unfortunately, that's how who is. But he deeply regrets his mistakes, repents them, and makes amends. He is not outright evil. Maybe he can be grey. Well most of us are. Our anger gets the worst out of us. Same with Virat. If I ask myself I would any day prefer a flawed man who can own up to his mistakes than someone with holier than god attitude. I don't understand why people have a tough time accepting these negative shades of his- especially those who defend him. They sai we accept and then go on to bash sai and then say its sai who made him act accordingly. Jeez that's so problematic. For anyone who watches the show, its evident Virat is more flawed. Sai does make mistakes but ultimately her intentions are at the right place. Like for eg- DevKit Shaadi did because that was about Devis happiness and wouldn't have been possible without Sai. But the ways were wrong. On the other hand when Virat throws her out or denies food that's because of revenge. He wanted to make her life miserable and that's why he did that though later he repented. Well, I respect him for that. Irrespective I love him and accept him for the way he is. Unnecessary defense for him by bringing in Sai will obviously make people respond & gradually turn the post into Sai vs Virat. Why do people do it? If you like a character focus on the positives and hype him up na than bashing all other characters, labeling others. I went through most posts. They only pointed out what's wrong with the character. So why is there so much hostility. What Virat did is unequivocally wrong. But this also needs to keep in mind- he repented, he apologized because he has good values. He is not a negative character. Just like all of us anger got the worst in him. Sad that the angry side is only reserved for Sai

Truth be told Virat and Sai cannot be judged on the same parameters. Its ITV and script immensely benefit her. She will end by doing the right thing eventually which I dislike. However, that's how it is and she is shown as a better person if we compare Sai and Virat. There's no point arguing about this. I wish we have flawed FL's too but those days are far. But Sai also has to be more tactical and avoid confrontations for even small things. However, the character growth required in her is limited whereas since Virat is shown inhumane at times. So obviously he will get called out more. It will be foolish to say they are equally flawed. Also with Sai the growth is evident. The KD script makes Virat look pathetic. He repeats the same mistakes, Pakhi MU, tears, and apology but again a mistake- the cycle continues. I wsih they wrote original for Virat but have to work with whats given

Pakhi factor- Idk why people still say Sai is wrong and she should read signals. Perspective varies. I am adding some part from a post I wrote some days before

The audience knows Virat loves Sai, not because of his monologues but because of his actions. Remember the time during Holi when he said I love you sai? How did that end? she was thrown out of his house. That certainly was not love. But look at him now. He is standing with her against his family and that certainly is love.

The audience knows he no longer loves Pakhi. But does Sai know? No. If we are expecting her to understand unsaid feelings and gestures we should also remember he called Pakhi the most 'pyaari cheez' in front of Sai, he said he loves Pakhi even if that was a slip of tongue. Virat during the initial days of marriage many times made Sai feel Pakhi is important for him and we can't deny that. Even during the throwing-out drama, the min Sai spoke about Pakhi he shouted at her whereas Pakhi freely went on to call her gold digger.

Virat was evidently so much in Pakhis thoughts during the initial phase of marriage. Sai confronted him many times with the question of Pakhi. It was his responsibility to clear to her that Pakhi is nothing more than a Vahini. Sai tried many times to get this out of him but he never cared to explain and that's solely his fault. So naturally, Sai would assume he is still in love with Pakhi. What reason has she got to think otherwise. Her questions went unanswered. She knows Virat is a good man who would never pursue an EMA but she still thinks he can have Pakhi in his heart and she can't be blamed for that.

Going back t her deal marriage- She had just lost her father and even under such severe conditions Virat put forward his Vada. Imagine her state. A person as caring and sensitive as Virat went ahead and declared the option of a loveless marriage to someone who just became an orphan. Isn't that alone enough to make Sai think Pakhi &Virat are some sorts of star-crossed lovers?

On the other hand, let's talk about signals. Yes, Virat is dropping hints and they are obvious. But can they substitute words? No, they cant. Why should any self-respecting woman settle for someone who cants voice out his feelings? It's the minimum we expect from someone whom we love right? We need verbal assurance of love. One cant read the mind and be convinced of love. Romantic gestures and flirting alone cant be called love. Its not her ego, it's the self-respect and yearning to be told that you are loved.

We are asking why Sai cant read his signals? Okay, let me ask why couldn't Virat respond to her straight questions on Pakhi then? Its their nature. Virat runs away from confrontations and difficult situations. Sai on the other hand asks for verbal assurance. It's unfair to expect Sai should understand non-verbal gestures. Her ckt is loud and vocal and she needs words, unlike Virat who looks for actions. Confession can wait if he is scared of rejection. But Pakhi thing needs to be cleared. Sai deserves to know it. If the deal was worded and articulate so should be the clarification. Actions cant substitute words.

Do we all not expect ppl to voice out their love for us? Every girl deserves that. I would never fall for someone who told me he has someone in his heart no matter how many romantic gestures he makes. And that's what makes Sai different from Pakhi. Pakhi is obsessed with Virat even after him clearing out things. Sai on the other hand respects his feelings and is not imposing herself on him.

This is a perfect opportunity for them to start their story- communication is of utmost importance ppl. We can't expect others to understand our feelings. We voice them out. Nothing can substitute a confession- no amount of flirting.

Virat made the promise. The onus is on him to collect his feelings, confront his fears and voice out his love. After confession and clearing out Pakhi only he should expect the same love and affection in return.

Also few of those who claim to be Virat stans-y'all started it by making Virat a victim, bashing Sai in the process. If restraint was shown this wouldn't have happened. IDK how one cant see the flaws of their fav character and then go on to bash the rest. Even here too a few they intentionally started arguments by mocking and bashing ckts and real ppl. The constructive discussion seems to not work here

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9


Aap sai ke liye biased ho sakti hai , par mein virat ke liye biased nhi ho sakti , ye kya baat hai .


Why r u portraying urself unbiased ? Stay true.

I am staying true. I watch the show for SaiRat. I am interested in their journey as a couple. Just because one criticize Virat's wrong actions doesn't mean they are biased towards Sai. People can love a character and at the same time point out the flaws in the character. What's with the insistence of a few that one can only be a Virat fan or Sai fan?



There is saying har insaan ke andar ek jaanwar baitha hai jisse control karna usse aana chahiye.

Exactly.. jisse control karna chahiye.. especially when the said person is a police officer. Virat clearly failed in doing that. And people are simply pointing that flaw in the character. But suddenly anyone who speaks a word against Virat becomes biased towards Sai according to you.


Normal human being grey hote sirf excel white nhi hote , virat is a grey character vo sai ki tarah snow white character nhi jiska competition seedhe bhagwan se hota hai.

I don't know about you.. but according to me both Sai and Virat are grey characters. They have both made their own set of mistakes and definitely have some major flaws. And that is what make them interesting characters. I don't think many people will be interested in watching black and white characters. It is the mixture of flaws and goodness that makes characters and story interesting.


Koi apne domestic abuser ke saath romance or flirt kaise kar sakta hai ?

You do realize that this is an ITV show right? Far worse has been shown in these shows. Since Virat is the ML, all his mistakes will be forgiven and forgotten. Nothing that has not happened before. Doesn't mean people can't discuss about the flaws and mistakes of the characters.

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