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Posted: 4 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: aastha12345

You quit the show forever??well yes this track was horrible and bad, but I think you should watch the latest episode, it is beautiful, anirudh realized each and every mistake we wanted him to, his exact realization was "the damage is irreparable " and "uss masum si bachhi ko jo ghav diya use kavhi nhi bhar paunga", he cried badly like a kid(sometimes I feel he is bon se bhi chhotu bachha), he realized all at least i wanted him to, that fake marriage wS wrong, emotional abuse was wrong, and damage is irreversible and apologized holding ears doing situps to her, yes I know not enough for what he did, but I think we will get something more in the coming episodes, so maybe you should watch t3h last one, it might make you feel better

Yes I've quit it forever 😆

It takes a lot to repair a butchered character ... There are only 2 reasons I watch a show - Either as pure entertainment or purely as an Art. I started watching this show as a work of Art and not for the entertainment it gave. Unfortunately, keeping up the essence of an Art is not easy. Once the flow breaks, it just breaks 💔


I'll give it a try post leap, when Bondita is mature enough to deal with the tracks they bring in. Again, not sure if the character's essence would be intact.

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Posted: 4 years ago
#22

I dont know who came up with the romance wala thing but I guess many of us need to clarify on why this track wasnt something anyone wish to have

Firstly let's go with the love. Love this feeling is different. Its pure. And its not always romantic. Love can happen anytime and not everyone is romantic about it. Love can be between friends, family, the pets and their owners. Its this wrong notion of love we have which never makes us think about it beyond the romantic aspect of it

Rudhita for us defined love not because it was romantic but because it was pure. It was endearing to see Bondita having an elder one who guided her and none of us had any thoughts about romance in our minds. So there that is kinda bad to actually tell that

For us the love between a teacher and a student is pure right? How teachers are always so selfless for their students for their successes? Just that way we view Anirudh and Bondita

Just because they are married this notion gets twisted.

But you know Anirudh's love be it for his country. for his family, for his childhood love is shown fickle which itself made many of angry and due to that the track got repulsive reactions.

Manorama was amazing and let me be clear if Anirudh's love towards Manorama was executed well then many of us would have taken it well and would have been truly amazed with Anirudh but it didnt. Instead it felt like the male lead is being whitewashed.

None had problem with nullification of the child marriage thing but instead the promo made it feel negative is why the outrage

Discussions were never about how it nullifies Rudhita's marriage instead it was about what should have been extra added on the act so as to make it better for those child brides

Please understand no one wants romance. No one wants hugs or anything between the two leads. Instead most of us want is fights of Anirudh and Bondita against the society being mentor and mentee how Anirudh teachers Bondita and how Bondita takes education

Edited- And the biggest problem is that the show had shown and extremely traumatic experience for a child. Lets face it Bondita is in her vulnerable stage where it can affect her way too much and to see the only person who supports you being like this all of a sudden can be highly exhausting mentally. No offence to Anirudh but what he did only made that child even worse

There's a way to go forward and this isnt the way

Edited by Amphitrite - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: Amphitrite

I dont know who came up with the romance wala thing but I guess many of us need to clarify on why this track wasnt something anyone wish to have

Firstly let's go with the love. Love this feeling is different. Its pure. And its not always romantic. Love can happen anytime and not everyone is romantic about it. Love can be between friends, family, the pets and their owners. Its this wrong notion of love we have which never makes us think about it beyond the romantic aspect of it

Rudhita for us defined love not because it was romantic but because it was pure. It was endearing to see Bondita having an elder one who guided her and none of us had any thoughts about romance in our minds. So there that is kinda bad to actually tell that

For us the love between a teacher and a student is pure right? How teachers are always so selfless for their students for their successes? Just that way we view Anirudh and Bondita

Just because they are married this notion gets twisted.

But you know Anirudh's love be it for his country. for his family, for his childhood love is shown fickle which itself made many of angry and due to that the track got repulsive reactions.

Manorama was amazing and let me be clear if Anirudh's love towards Manorama was executed well then many of us would have taken it well and would have been truly amazed with Anirudh but it didnt. Instead it felt like the male lead is being whitewashed.

None had problem with nullification of the child marriage thing but instead the promo made it feel negative is why the outrage

Discussions were never about how it nullifies Rudhita's marriage instead it was about what should have been extra added on the act so as to make it better for those child brides

Please understand no one wants romance. No one wants hugs or anything between the two leads. Instead most of us want is fights of Anirudh and Bondita against the society being mentor and mentee how Anirudh teachers Bondita and how Bondita takes education

Edited- And the biggest problem is that the show had shown and extremely traumatic experience for a child. Lets face it Bondita is in her vulnerable stage where it can affect her way too much and to see the only person who supports you being like this all of a sudden can be highly exhausting mentally. No offence to Anirudh but what he did only made that child even worse

There's a way to go forward and this isnt the way

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Exactly what all of us think...

Manorama as anirudh's one sided love would have been appreciated if handled carefully

Portraying that anirudh is sacrificing everything for bondita... And bondita is wrong if she had a crush on anirudh, though a society induced crush , was the thing no one liked...

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Posted: 4 years ago
#24

My responses in Blue

Originally posted by: Amphitrite

I dont know who came up with the romance wala thing but I guess many of us need to clarify on why this track wasnt something anyone wish to have.

Yes I am the one whose post triggered everyone here because I accused people of asking for romance in this and every other show with a message on TV. I will answer this further.

Firstly let's go with the love. Love this feeling is different. Its pure. And its not always romantic. Love can happen anytime and not everyone is romantic about it. Love can be between friends, family, the pets and their owners. Its this wrong notion of love we have which never makes us think about it beyond the romantic aspect of it

Rudhita for us defined love not because it was romantic but because it was pure. It was endearing to see Bondita having an elder one who guided her and none of us had any thoughts about romance in our minds. So there that is kinda bad to actually tell that

For us the love between a teacher and a student is pure right? How teachers are always so selfless for their students for their successes? Just that way we view Anirudh and Bondita

Just because they are married this notion gets twisted.

But you know Anirudh's love be it for his country. for his family, for his childhood love is shown fickle which itself made many of angry and due to that the track got repulsive reactions.

Manorama was amazing and let me be clear if Anirudh's love towards Manorama was executed well then many of us would have taken it well and would have been truly amazed with Anirudh but it didnt. Instead it felt like the male lead is being whitewashed.

I understand that the track was not written well, but is the use of a harsh demand for a good cause objectionable?

Think hypothetically, a husband forces his wife to lose weight for looking pretty enough for him, and a husband forcing his wife to lose weight because she has fatty liver, borderline diabetes and is prone to a heart attack. Both demands are same right? But aren't intentions of both of these different? What if the wife in latter case chooses not to listen to the husband's explanations, has cheat meals behind his back, and asks him why can't he accept her the way she is?

What is wrong with the husband doing something strict for the benefit of his wife?


None had problem with nullification of the child marriage thing but instead the promo made it feel negative is why the outrage

Discussions were never about how it nullifies Rudhita's marriage instead it was about what should have been extra added on the act so as to make it better for those child brides

Really??? Still denying it? Please read the various posts made on it in IF itself, with the language used that had to be moderated. I cannot add the links here because it will expand into a preview and elongate this post

And ofcourse it is gonna be negative, it is wrecking a societal norm. Rudhita marriage will be nullified and Ani will have no justification to keep sponsoring Bob's education. British banned child marriage to stop deaths due to child pregnancies, they had no strategy or interest in rehabilitation of the abandoned women. Society on the other hand was trying to object to it as much as possible. How else do you want the makers to soften this blow? Please recommend.


Please understand no one wants romance. No one wants hugs or anything between the two leads. Instead most of us want is fights of Anirudh and Bondita against the society being mentor and mentee how Anirudh teachers Bondita and how Bondita takes education

I repeat child marriage is disgusting. And there are as many chances of Rudhita to remarry as adults, as is for them to end up with different people while still remaining mentor-mentee. I am comfortable with this, but if someone is not and is venting their anger in awful ways on social media, obviously they are interested in eventual romance.


Edited- And the biggest problem is that the show had shown and extremely traumatic experience for a child. Lets face it Bondita is in her vulnerable stage where it can affect her way too much and to see the only person who supports you being like this all of a sudden can be highly exhausting mentally. No offence to Anirudh but what he did only made that child even worse

There's a way to go forward and this isnt the way

I go back to the weight loss hypothesis I gave. Was the use of harsh demands wrong when the situation demands it?

Also how does Bondita become an adult while fighting for her rights, but conveniently a child while handling trauma?

Do you know what else hurts children?

The slap on their bum post delivery, falling of their milk teeth, realising Santa doesn't exist, vaccination injections, them being left alone with strangers on first day at school, parents letting go of their cycle while teaching them when they trusted that they will be supported from behind, applying chilly powder on their thumbs so that they stop thumb sucking and so many more ways to cause them physical and mental pain.

And most of these are given to them after they have been fooled enough with excuses, and later their "trust is broken".

Eventually the clouds cleared up for Bondita, do you think if she has any sensibility, she is gonna revisit these events as mental torture by ManoRuddh?

No, she is thinking and will keep thinking that she needs to mend her ways and she was stupid to not realise her folly sooner. Is that mental scarring? If yes then half the people should never learn from their mistakes in fear of breakdowns.

PS, more mental torture in form of gender discrimination, racial discrimination and loneliness is in store for her, when she studies further. Ani may not and should not meddle to protect her every time, else how will she learn??

To sum this, I wanna say that everyone can prefer a track or dislike it. Stop watching the show if the progress doesn't suit one. I didn't watch any of the Mini-return track and didn't complain too.

But making jokes and hurling abuses on sensitive and important topics like sacrifice by freedom fighters and abolishment of social evils is something I couldn't handle and I had to vent out on this.

Ask yourself, if you are comfortable with the idea that Rudhita may seperate and never reunite but Nondita becomes a successful Barrister, then you are not romance hungry, and my accusations are not against you!!

☮️ Peace ☮️

Edited by NiharikaMishra - 4 years ago

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Posted: 4 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: NiharikaMishra

My responses in Blue

To sum this, I wanna say that everyone can prefer a track or dislike it. Stop watching the show if the progress doesn't suit one. I didn't watch any of the Mini-return track and didn't complain too.

But making jokes and hurling abuses on sensitive and important topics like sacrifice by freedom fighters and abolishment of social evils is something I couldn't handle and I had to vent out on this.

Ask yourself, if you are comfortable with the idea that Rudhita may seperate and never reunite but Nondita becomes a successful Barrister, then you are not romance hungry, and my accusations are not against you!!

☮️ Peace ☮️

I kinda want that too my dear

And lets be kind enough to not tell anyone to watch or not watch. Many of these people criticise not because they want to criticise instead they know the show can do better and do it

I agree joking over serious issues is not something good and I do not stand by it. I myself am against it. But we need to make them understand that

Edited by Amphitrite - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
#26

Really??? Still denying it? Please read the various posts made on it in IF itself, with the language used that had to be moderated. I cannot add the links here because it will expand into a preview and elongate this post

And ofcourse it is gonna be negative, it is wrecking a societal norm. Rudhita marriage will be nullified and Ani will have no justification to keep sponsoring Bob's education. British banned child marriage to stop deaths due to child pregnancies, they had no strategy or interest in rehabilitation of the abandoned women. Society on the other hand was trying to object to it as much as possible. How else do you want the makers to soften this blow? Please recommend.


What am I denying? I am not known to you nor are you to me. But whatever I have said is on the basis of what I have seen. I am sure you might be right in your stance but please I am not denying anything if its wrong

What recommendation? I never said I am into this right? Then why make me bear the brunt?🤔

And about the weight situation. Will the husband be strict without telling the wife what he is doing and what benfit it might give her?

And about children being fooled, I am sure it might be traumatic but can't we even think of Bondita? What's her fault in this? The one person whom she looks upto has started praising and caring about someone else. What are we expecting? Mental trauma even if it doesnt affect isnt something which someone needs to go through.

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Posted: 4 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: NiharikaMishra


Yes, mental health is important, but not when physiological needs are at stake.

I would only like to comment on this part.

@Bold - Are you a doctor? Or a psychiatrist? Or someone in the medical field? I mean how are you declaring it as a fact? Is it a universal fact or something?

It's 2021, we are educated much more than the people in 1920s, and we are saying mental health is important BUT NOT when physiological needs are at stake. You know what this statement conveys? It says that mental health is LESS important than physical health.

Dear, even World Health Organization defines health as a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

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Posted: 4 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: NiharikaMishra

My responses in Blue

To sum this, I wanna say that everyone can prefer a track or dislike it. Stop watching the show if the progress doesn't suit one. I didn't watch any of the Mini-return track and didn't complain too.

But making jokes and hurling abuses on sensitive and important topics like sacrifice by freedom fighters and abolishment of social evils is something I couldn't handle and I had to vent out on this.

Ask yourself, if you are comfortable with the idea that Rudhita may seperate and never reunite but Nondita becomes a successful Barrister, then you are not romance hungry, and my accusations are not against you!!

☮️ Peace ☮️

u are right and i loved ur point of view tell me marriage annulment pe bon ka sudden reaction kya hoga

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pankhudi1001

I would only like to comment on this part.

@Bold - Are you a doctor? Or a psychiatrist? Or someone in the medical field? I mean how are you declaring it as a fact? Is it a universal fact or something?

It's 2021, we are educated much more than the people in 1920s, and we are saying mental health is important BUT NOT when physiological needs are at stake. You know what this statement conveys? It says that mental health is LESS important than physical health.

Dear, even World Health Organization defines health as a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

I am not a doctor, but yes I am a volunteer for a suicide helpline. Out of many people who call in, there are quite a few who talk about suicide as a means to escape what they are facing, a consequence of which will be abandonment of those very people who are dependent on them but are also the reason for their failing mental health.

Tell me, would it be right for me to ask them to walk out of toxic relationships instead of killing themselves? Is it ideal in second and third world countries?

The middle ground we choose in most such situations is sign them up for daily sessions on phone with a therapist who charges nothing or a nominal fee, based on the severity and financial status of the person (he is paid by the trust) and just listens to him/her, without being preachy or giving any sort of advice. This helps 80-90% of the time for them to go back and face the same situation they wanted to escape.


Talking about priority, if you may know Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, physiological needs come at the bottom and need to be fulfilled before anyone even thinks of mental health. So yes, a hungry mind will not think of mental issues, you need a full stomach for that.

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But Bon has a full stomach already. She can think about mental health right?

But look at the hierarchy again and you can also see it in context of explaining Bon's behavior. Apart from physiological needs, Love and Esteem come much before self-actualization. She was assured about safety, love and esteem from Aniruddh in a childlike perspective until she hit menstruation and society meddled with her mind that she lacks the basics.

If Bon kept thinking she is unloved by Ani, in terms of what society is teaching her, no amount of "talks and explanation" helped her in any way.

As long as the love and esteem think was void, she would not have thought of studies. So should Ani have conceded to her demand for love so that she goes back to studies? Would it have been right?

She did not think of going back to studies until Ani manipulated her into thinking that studying will also fester her blanks of love and esteem.

She only realized that Ani's support for her studies was also love and it was also enhancing her esteem when she started losing them. He started snatching studies away from her and those voids of the basics made her go back to studying, not self-actualization.


Now she knows the facts and will study for self-actualization and not for the sake of basics.

But yes, when basics are at stake, it is difficult to think of higher things.

Edited by NiharikaMishra - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: Amphitrite

Really??? Still denying it? Please read the various posts made on it in IF itself, with the language used that had to be moderated. I cannot add the links here because it will expand into a preview and elongate this post

And ofcourse it is gonna be negative, it is wrecking a societal norm. Rudhita marriage will be nullified and Ani will have no justification to keep sponsoring Bob's education. British banned child marriage to stop deaths due to child pregnancies, they had no strategy or interest in rehabilitation of the abandoned women. Society on the other hand was trying to object to it as much as possible. How else do you want the makers to soften this blow? Please recommend.


What am I denying? I am not known to you nor are you to me. But whatever I have said is on the basis of what I have seen. I am sure you might be right in your stance but please I am not denying anything if its wrong

What recommendation? I never said I am into this right? Then why make me bear the brunt?🤔

And about the weight situation. Will the husband be strict without telling the wife what he is doing and what benfit it might give her?

And about children being fooled, I am sure it might be traumatic but can't we even think of Bondita? What's her fault in this? The one person whom she looks upto has started praising and caring about someone else. What are we expecting? Mental trauma even if it doesnt affect isnt something which someone needs to go through.

You need to re-read my post, I say that if someone hurls abuses against portrayal of important changes in the legal systems just so that the leads can stay together, they are giving more importance to romance. If you don't think like that and have not participated in threads like these, my accusations are not for you. What's the point of saying lines like these? "Then why make me bear the brunt?smiley24"

Also, I asked for a recommended track that would make the abolishment of child marriage to appear more calm and nice. This track will never be nice but it is necessary. I would rather look forward to how Ani can still sponsor Bon's education without being her legal husband because society will not allow that too.

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