Veer's hypnotism

So, re-watching the ep (who, me? 😳) and at the end just before the final scene of the 'morning after', Chandrakala says to herself "Veer ka kya hua? Veer ka dimaag mere bass mein aa hi raha tha", implying that he wasn't totally under her control yet.

I don't think this is very well explained, but this makes me feel that the writers are confirming that Veer wasn't completely hypnotised throughout the episode, and also that the moon's waxing and waning doesn't actually have much to do with it. Like yeah, maybe the moon's negative rays were implanted in him, but it's Chandrakala who controls it. So while she was distracted (by Ballu/the cheels?), Veer wasn't fully in the grasp of her power. So though he looked shifty in some scenes, it was more just a way to throw the audience off rather than an indication that he's still under Markaat's control.

Presumably this is why immediately after Chandrakala saying this, Veer woke up with purple eyes, because she focused her energies on him, and now presumably will maintain that until he is fully in her control. Like, he's a video that needed buffering but halfway through the internet cut out, so he wasn't fully possessed (😆) and now Chandru has sorted out her gufaa-ka-WiFi connection.

And I guess that's why, in the next ep, he goes full on cray-cray, and literally flies off to the moon to go dance with some rando chick and end up marrying her...because he's now fully under Markaat's control and therefore suggestible and susceptible to anything. How skygirl plays into this, IDK - like is she also mili-hui with Markaat or Jay or someone else, or is this just some random seduction *shrugs*. I guess kal pata chalega. But in the precap she's like "we don't have much time, are you ready?" which implies there's some time-sensitive reason for them to get married?

This is the best explanation (yes, really 😆) I can come up with re: his weird 'is he or isn't he possessed' situation. Like he was getting there during last week's ep, and the first part of this one, but then for some reason it didn't take fully, so he was "our" Veer for the apology and date/SR sequence, until Chandru mama realised she needed to complete the job.

I don't think the show does itself any favours by being weirdly subtle about things like this, and I also don't know if this even makes it any easier to digest, but yeah...I'll go with this reasoning to make the SR/date feel completely possession-free. I know people seemed concerned about Veer's expressions at times, but the dude is completely theda and always has been, so his sarcastic, smug smile is basically a permanent feature of his character, rather than necessarily an omen. It's just that the show hasn't clarified this possession thing so we're seeing everything with that aspect in mind. Or that's what I'll believe until they tell me otherwise...

Speaking of omens though, during the crucial moments of the consummation, IDK if anyone else noticed the baadal garjh-ing or the (temple) bells ringing...? Not sure if that was supposed to signify something...like "this is what's destined" or, conversely, "something bad is going to follow"...?

This possession thing has baffled me. Literally nobody knows when it stops and starts. But what I have realised it seems to have done is amplified all of veers negative emotions and insecurities. When he was apologising to Bani he said something along those lines and about how he doesn’t know how he lost control. That’s the thing he such a control freak all the time. But this makes me reckless. I don’t think she has complete control over him or it doesn’t work like that. Would be great if Markat gave us a monologue on how it worked while she was chilling on that trishul!

but having seen the consummation scene I don’t think Veer was possessed at all. This is him being romantic and letting Bani lead. I think after his early behaviour - he wanted to follow her cues. I still think he was Veer and not possessed for sure. I think the music and stuff like that was the makers trying to create suspense. Someone tell them this isn’t Sherlock Holmes 😆

Also I don’t think he was flying to the moon. I think he was just flying off in a rage (wonder if we will actually see those wings in the episode ) and I think it’s at that point the moon kidnaps him aka sky girl. Then the socially distanced brother and sister dance 🤣 I also think that the time thing is related to the day that Markat wants to kill bani I remember her banging on about it. Or it might be dependent on how long it’s a full moon? Who really knows doubt we will ever get these answers 😆 I hope time wise sky girl isn’t talking about her being able to get preggo 😆

Also those symbols not going to lie I thought they were part of the song. I think maybe they were there to hint to the audience understand they’ve consummated? Who knows- only Mukta and the useless editing team.

Originally posted by: Humes22

This possession thing has baffled me. Literally nobody knows when it stops and starts. But what I have realised it seems to have done is amplified all of veers negative emotions and insecurities. When he was apologising to Bani he said something along those lines and about how he doesn’t know how he lost control. That’s the thing he such a control freak all the time. But this makes me reckless. I don’t think she has complete control over him or it doesn’t work like that. Would be great if Markat gave us a monologue on how it worked while she was chilling on that trishul! I def think the possession amplifies his feelings, negative or otherwise, but I wonder if it's more than that. Markaat was focusing on him during the mehendi, and he was feeling angry and sad then which was multiplied 10-fold and converted into that rage we saw. Then, IDK if she stopped focusing on him during the majority of the ep...it's not clear, like you say, but Veer's anger was also calmed during those bits and it was more his love for Bani that shone through. So maybe the possession can't grab hold of anything that isn't an angry emotion. I do think you're right that it's a loss of control - if Veeranshu wanted to, he could be as reckless and aggressive as that in a normal situation too, but he has a very tight control on how he expresses his emotions at almost all other times.

but having seen the consummation scene I don’t think Veer was possessed at all. This is him being romantic and letting Bani lead. I think after his early behaviour - he wanted to follow her cues. I still think he was Veer and not possessed for sure. I think the music and stuff like that was the makers trying to create suspense. Someone tell them this isn’t Sherlock Holmes 😆 I agree that he wasn't possessed during that (or maybe I'm trying to convince myself!)...partly because yeah, having your lead jodi's uber-romantic SR (which only happens once) under the cloud of hypnotism is one thing, but actually having the male lead be hypnotised and not himself is quite another. It would be a huge betrayal of their own lead jodi, the character of Veer, and the audience (and to be frank, raises questions about consent that I don't think any of us would want to even consider 😵). So on that basis, I think Occam's Razor would suggest that he wasn't possessed during that moment, because otherwise it cheapens and negates the whole moment.

Plus, like you said, it was Bani's moment to shine, and show the intensity of her love, so maybe he was letting her take the lead.

It's just that, to me, the chaand ki roshni thing doesn't make sense. He woke up the next day, in broad daylight, with the purple eyes. And it's not that he was okay and then they appeared, it was literally after Chandrakala yelled "Veer" several times. So I don't know what else could cause the possession. I think the moon is a red herring, or at least, it's involved but is not the driver.

Also I don’t think he was flying to the moon. I think he was just flying off in a rage (wonder if we will actually see those wings in the episode ) and I think it’s at that point the moon kidnaps him aka sky girl. Then the socially distanced brother and sister dance 🤣 I also think that the time thing is related to the day that Markat wants to kill bani I remember her banging on about it. Or it might be dependent on how long it’s a full moon? Who really knows doubt we will ever get these answers 😆 I hope time wise sky girl isn’t talking about her being able to get preggo 😆 I forgot about the killing Bani at a certain time thing. I was sure the kaali-amavas ki raat had come and gone already 😆 but maybe not. Yeah, maybe it's all related to killing Bani, but I can't see how moongirl marrying Veer would achieve that. Maybe it would give her/Chandrakala access to his powers, which she could then use to destroy Bani? I really hope it's not the preggo thing because ewwwwwwwwwwwww and no thank you. Imagine your mother setting you up to impregnate some rando chick just so she can gain a power or two. Actually, that's exactly something Chandru would do 😳 oh God I really hope you're wrong about this because it's just given me a thought (along with the heebie-jeebies)...

Also those symbols not going to lie I thought they were part of the song. I think maybe they were there to hint to the audience understand they’ve consummated? Who knows- only Mukta and the useless editing team. I don't think they're part of Laal Ishq the song as standard. To me it felt like they were signifying something important had taken place - good or bad, I couldn't decide. The bells made it feel like it was a significant, important, good thing that they'd come together, but maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

We have seen mad love of veer from last 4 months but today for very first time we have seen that mad love from Bani's side. I think so that was Veer. Maybe he was hypnotized 10% but 90% he was real veer.

Yeah he was not over excited like he used to do before. This time he was letting bani do first and than he was reciprocating. It was not like that he was not interested yeah he was a bit calm because maybe he wants to see what bani wants. And other thing is that makers just wanted to confuse us with real and hypnotized veer .

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

I thought Markat at that point was just begging someone to come into the line of light of the moon- it was just her luck she got Veer. She hit the jackpot there 🤣But it does amplify what he feels but the negative side. I feel like there was a lot of pent up emotion about this whole situation with Bani (ours and his!) which mukta is using now.

He is aware of what he is doing but can't control it or doesn't understand why he did what he did. Thank god there is no memory loss here that would another headache to deal with! So he knows what is happening and I don't think he was possessed because cobra amma was busy flirting with papa cheel 🤣Ballu has good timing 👍🏼 Shame he couldn't ruin Markat and Jai father's SR.

This whole hypnosis is something I don't understand and I do think that it is down to the editing- they messed up again. I think maybe she used the moon to capture his attention- the spell? worked and now she can control him.

I think she wants to separate Bani and Veer because she knows Veer will always protect Bani and Jai is whatever really. She also wants to hurt Bani where it hurts the most- her heart. She think Bani will be heartbroken and vulnerable which means she is weaker and she can somehow take advantage of that. Again this is just me assuming- but she doesn't the limited emotional range that Bani has- it took us 4 months for her to say that she wants to stay with Veer 😆

I can't even remember what night she wanted to kill Bani on- they most likely have forgotten that 🤣I think its down to how long she can control Veer with the moon or spell- maybe it has an expiry date lol but wouldn't be surprised if this was a power play for the moon and Veer -as well by Markat- she seems to want all the power in the world. Wonder what she will do with all of that.

I think the bell thing is just symbolic in both of them consummating the relationship - nothing else. If they wanted to make it a symbolic thing I think it would have been way way louder with prayer chants. Thats usually how kekta madams shows works. The clouds thing was maybe them showing the moon wasn't around so he isn't hypnotised- again no clue!!

Originally posted by: _NINA_

We have seen mad love of veer from last 4 months but today for very first time we have seen that mad love from Bani's side. I think so that was Veer. Maybe he was hypnotized 10% but 90% he was real veer.

Yeah he was not over excited like he used to do before. This time he was letting bani do first and than he was reciprocating. It was not like that he was not interested yeah he was a bit calm because maybe he wants to see what bani wants. And other thing is that makers just wanted to confuse us with real and hypnotized veer .

I agree that the show wanted to confuse us with the "is he or isn't he possessed" thing, esp at the beginning. Which, again, it annoys me that this is even a thing we have to take into consideration. We should have been basking in the huge romantic milestone achieved by our lead jodi, not pretzel-ing ourselves in trying to understand the show's weird conspiracy angle 🤔 the date/SR could and should have waited for after this raita had been cleared, but no. We need to give Bani a super dramatic dhakka in the worst way possible. Even if she realises very quickly that Veer is not himself, that first moment in which he said those words, that will have hit her right in the heart. And it will have hurt. There was literally no reason (for the makers) to do that to her 🥺

I too think it was "our" Veer during the SR though, and I guess that's how Bani knows the morning after Veer isn't him. Because the night before, nothing he said was incongruent with the Veer she knows. He may not have been as intense (in our reckoning; bet Bani didn't feel that way ☺️), but the way this possession seems to work is at extremes - it's all or nothing. When he's possessed, he's a rage monster. I don't think possessed!Veer has the capability to say sweet things or be romantic or even subtle. He's all dramatic "dafa ho jaayo"s and hurling people across the room. I was afraid before the ep that they'd show him being possessed and trying to hurt/humiliate Bani through the SR, but that didn't come across at all. I think normal emotions-wala Veer, who apologises, who sets up a romantic date, who laughs and smiles etc., is not possessed. It's just angry bird cheelu whose mind Markaat can control. But then that begs the question of why he woke up angry? IDK...I'm trying to find logic where there is none, I know 😆 but I can't make heads or tails of this. I'm back to thinking it's Markaat focusing on him to get him in her control.

Originally posted by: Humes22

I thought Markat at that point was just begging someone to come into the line of light of the moon- it was just her luck she got Veer. She hit the jackpot there 🤣But it does amplify what he feels but the negative side. I feel like there was a lot of pent up emotion about this whole situation with Bani (ours and his!) which mukta is using now. She totes got lucky. If Jay had been hypnotised and was annoying Bani like that, she'd barely pay him any attention let alone try to save him. Actually, I wish he had been hypnotised; then Bani could have killed him and we'd all be fine 🤣Saara siyapaa hi khatam 😆

He is aware of what he is doing but can't control it or doesn't understand why he did what he did. Thank god there is no memory loss here that would another headache to deal with! So he knows what is happening and I don't think he was possessed because cobra amma was busy flirting with papa cheel 🤣Ballu has good timing 👍🏼 Shame he couldn't ruin Markat and Jai father's SR. LMAO at red. Yes, thank God there's no memory loss. It's not like an alien entity takes hold of him and he doesn't remember what he's done; it's just that his control over his emotions takes a hit. Imagine if he plain forgot they'd had an SR? 😒😆

This whole hypnosis is something I don't understand and I do think that it is down to the editing- they messed up again. I think maybe she used the moon to capture his attention- the spell? worked and now she can control him. That's what I think happened too.

I think she wants to separate Bani and Veer because she knows Veer will always protect Bani and Jai is whatever really. She also wants to hurt Bani where it hurts the most- her heart. She think Bani will be heartbroken and vulnerable which means she is weaker and she can somehow take advantage of that. Again this is just me assuming- but she doesn't the limited emotional range that Bani has- it took us 4 months for her to say that she wants to stay with Veer 😆 Let's face it, Markaat is a chindi villain who wouldn't know a good plan if it hit her in the face 🤣 she's apparently been waiting for Adi Naagin to show up since Satyug, and the best she can do is try and use her own son to hurt Bani's heart? 🤣 Like wow, lady. *slow claps* what a brilliant plan! 🤣 Her (ex?)husband is the same though...four months and he's only just graduated from "Kill Adi Naagin!" to "Control Adi Naagin!"

I can't even remember what night she wanted to kill Bani on- they most likely have forgotten that 🤣I think its down to how long she can control Veer with the moon or spell- maybe it has an expiry date lol but wouldn't be surprised if this was a power play for the moon and Veer -as well by Markat- she seems to want all the power in the world. Wonder what she will do with all of that. I always wonder what supervillains will do once they've destroyed the world/enslaved everyone else. If everyone else is dead or under your control, what would you do then? 😕😆

I think the bell thing is just symbolic in both of them consummating the relationship - nothing else. If they wanted to make it a symbolic thing I think it would have been way way louder with prayer chants. Thats usually how kekta madams shows works. The clouds thing was maybe them showing the moon wasn't around so he isn't hypnotised- again no clue!! Yeah, probably. Guess I'm reading too much into it, unlikely as that sounds 😆

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

That would be the dream- but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He is getting a new hair ishtylleee and everything. Heartbreak hairstyle!

I think if this had NOT been a finite series it would have gone down the route of memory loss and not remembering the SR- that's another favourite trope. That would have dragged for months and the FL would have got pregnant and then the ML would be like not my child blah blah. But in this case if the child is a mini markat hard to doubt the paternity 🤣 I mean if a cheel and naagin have a child they would have mini markets right- minus the hideous half painted face.

I have no clue what cobra mamas plan is- I think she is desperate and is doing whatever she can which is rubbish. Time to wrap her track up or give her something substantive and team her up with the cheels or something. Or get the real markat? Cobra amma wants to be the most powerful being and control everything and everyone I'm guessing- that's so boring no offence you can never use the powers to have a fight. Unless you get the odd rebel but that's about it.

With the bells thing- its weird that there are no 'consequences' with a cheel and naagin coming together- but I guess if cobra amma can be with whoever she wants then there are no consequences to worry about?

Originally posted by: Humes22

That would be the dream- but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He is getting a new hair ishtylleee and everything. Heartbreak hairstyle!

I think if this had NOT been a finite series it would have gone down the route of memory loss and not remembering the SR- that's another favourite trope. That would have dragged for months and the FL would have got pregnant and then the ML would be like not my child blah blah. But in this case if the child is a mini markat hard to doubt the paternity 🤣 I mean if a cheel and naagin have a child they would have mini markets right- minus the hideous half painted face.

I have no clue what cobra mamas plan is- I think she is desperate and is doing whatever she can which is rubbish. Time to wrap her track up or give her something substantive and team her up with the cheels or something. Or get the real markat? Cobra amma wants to be the most powerful being and control everything and everyone I'm guessing- that's so boring no offence you can never use the powers to have a fight. Unless you get the odd rebel but that's about it.

With the bells thing- its weird that there are no 'consequences' with a cheel and naagin coming together- but I guess if cobra amma can be with whoever she wants then there are no consequences to worry about?

I guess Markaat was not technically a hybrid though, right? Isn't that the differentiation they told us back when she was introduced - that she is and can be two separate beings, a snake and a cheel, within one, but she explicitly isn't a hybrid? 😕 I'd have to go back and rewatch her entry ep, which IDK if I can be bothered. But I think I remember it that way. Which implies that a snake-cheel hybrid wouldn't be a Markaat (i.e. able to split itself into two). In any case I think "Markaat" is just a name Chandrakala uses because she likes power, it's not the name of her species, whatever that is. They just call her that "ajeeb jeev", which, way to be vague 😔

Thank God this isn't one of the Bhagyas, let's just say that. Otherwise skygirl would be pregnant (for 24 months minimum), would come and live in the Cheel mansion and would constantly try to poison Bani with laddoos or some such (I legit saw a scene on Insta where a family were having a serious discussion about someone poisoning some laddoos to make the FL look bad 😵 no idea what show but WTAF 🤣)

Re: the bells, well that's why I thought they might be significant. Technically speaking there should be some weird consequences from a snake and eagle mating...but I guess the whole premise of the season is that the cheel-naagin relationship has Shivji's blessing, because otherwise, would he even have let the wedding take place?

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

I agree that the show wanted to confuse us with the "is he or isn't he possessed" thing, esp at the beginning. Which, again, it annoys me that this is even a thing we have to take into consideration. We should have been basking in the huge romantic milestone achieved by our lead jodi, not pretzel-ing ourselves in trying to understand the show's weird conspiracy angle 🤔 the date/SR could and should have waited for after this raita had been cleared, but no. We need to give Bani a super dramatic dhakka in the worst way possible. Even if she realises very quickly that Veer is not himself, that first moment in which he said those words, that will have hit her right in the heart. And it will have hurt. There was literally no reason (for the makers) to do that to her 🥺

I too think it was "our" Veer during the SR though, and I guess that's how Bani knows the morning after Veer isn't him. Because the night before, nothing he said was incongruent with the Veer she knows. He may not have been as intense (in our reckoning; bet Bani didn't feel that way ☺️), but the way this possession seems to work is at extremes - it's all or nothing. When he's possessed, he's a rage monster. I don't think possessed!Veer has the capability to say sweet things or be romantic or even subtle. He's all dramatic "dafa ho jaayo"s and hurling people across the room. I was afraid before the ep that they'd show him being possessed and trying to hurt/humiliate Bani through the SR, but that didn't come across at all. I think normal emotions-wala Veer, who apologises, who sets up a romantic date, who laughs and smiles etc., is not possessed. It's just angry bird cheelu whose mind Markaat can control. But then that begs the question of why he woke up angry? IDK...I'm trying to find logic where there is none, I know 😆 but I can't make heads or tails of this. I'm back to thinking it's Markaat focusing on him to get him in her control.

I always said this that logic and naagin series are poles apart. I wish that they will clear this hypnotization mess