What went wrong with EK's plan - A Case study - Page 4

Originally posted by: surbhi1995

Thnx grace for much needed post.

I have never seen ksg or kp.even no idea about them earlier.

But in case of kash I found him robotic and inaudible in almost every scene.yes I agree his due Basu performance was praise worthy.But apart from that I never found him impressive by looking at the experience he has in industry.

About kp ,I can't judge him much.but what I saw his scenes were plain flat everytime after covid break.i used to laugh by seeing his expression in kzk.But I won't call him a bad actor or performer as his ss or role were very much limited.

Again suru.... I will not judge both KSG's and KP's calibre based on KZK2. I have seen part of their previous shows too and even in KZK2, when they were given scenes to perform out of their comfort zone(though it was limited to 1 or 2scenes), they proved that they have that talent. CVs/scriptwriters incapability to use them properly can't be passed on to the actors. If possible just go and read Angelina's latest thread on TT. Using old scenes, she has given a proper ending to the story and even Prem's arrival in AnuPre's lives. It's so beautiful that we will feel like why EK and CVs did this injustice with us and all the OG actors. Komo ke aage kuch dikhayi nahin unko. 😡

Originally posted by: surbhi1995

That's the point grace.she was overconfident about acceptance of bjaj and bapre due to nostalgia of last season.Thats why marriage was rushed and executed so badly.After 200 episodes all she think was since bjaj and bapre were accepted 20 year back.so Audience will outrightly accept them without any story and characterisation.Even for bjaj there was nothing.he was just a showpiece in the show.come and give some weird dialogue (which were merely audible) and that's it.

I personally feel if and only if ekta did not follow the S1 route of bapre wedding and forced moving on of pre,instant love of bjaj,instant pre being over sweet with bjaj,no fightback from prerna.then Audience might not have rejected bjaj and bapre so badly.noone was interested in watching middle age guy blackmaling a young pragnant girl and girl is accepting it like it's the best thing in the world.even erica felt this was the point where show started to loose it's loyal audience and after that also same third angle repeat.

And lastly she again tried to do same stuff of 20 year back with anuneprekokyunmara.Again audience gave their Verdict by rejecting bjaj and bapre.

Parica as anupre were beautiful and amazing.they had great potential but it never got utilised properly.that too it's bcoz of their hardwork show worked for 2 years.otgerwise who knows the way story was written after 200 episode what would had happened with kzk.

But I m glad that now parth and Erica will move on and do better stuff which actually deserve talented actors like them.

Anurag2 is remake of Sujjal 😆 (has more similarities with Robbie who was also copy of Sujjal )and Kzk 2 is remake of Kasturi which has similarities to KTH sold in brand name of one of ektas most successful show KzK. But in both kth and kasturi FLs were hatke. The main leads were a combo. Sujjal and Robbie were very popular among trp audience.

Bajajs characterisation is new😆 from psycho to love sick puppy in one day . Fact is that they CVs never bothered about Pre or B in S2 . No wonder Bajaj never looked Bajaj .B1 was grey, Classy ,Sophisticated , with a heart of gold. His redemption track is best among Ekta's MLs. Bajaj1 took 15 years to get into Prernas heart and after that no looking back.

P1 was an ideal wife and mother unlike P2 . Bajaj fell for her beauty too both in and out. Reason Y Bajaj fell for P2 is still unknown🤣

And there is no AnuNePrekokyuMara in S1. It was A who killed B which was a MU. Pre shoot A and take revenge and she serves her sentence. She didn't hide what she did she surrunders in front of police. At that time Pre was grandmother😆

AnuPre S1 was 2 times star jodi not like S2 who r name sake popular😆. And Bajaj was One Man against AnuPre . He was even more popular 🤣 than them. He has the highest number of individual awards. And PreRish were Jodi Bemisal at SPA . Anurag looked like a puppy infront of Bajaj in charisma , characterisation and calibre.

S1 B marries P when she was in love with B and Bajaj tries hard that Pre go back to Anu and play happy family but she took decesion to remain unmarried if Bajaj never marries her . That is where Pre was progressive😳 she never needed a man. Lol even the dupata was flying towards Anu 😆 title song was playing . But it was Pres decesion she won't marry Anu . No godess was there. PreRish starts with Bajajs entry and it took 2 more years Pre slowly fall for Bajaj. First he became father to her kids then her lover and then her husband. Where as in S2 pre was out of syllabus.

And really Pre don't take bullet for Anurag at the end. Komo shoots Bajaj at head and was critical. And Pre had a fight with Komo .. Anu was there. Anu and Komo fights for Gun . Gun shot and hits Pre. It waa Anu responsible for her injury . Pre dies and Anu sits there and dies😂. And Bajaj lives in memory of Pre. Prem writes story of Prerna.

with 3 marriages 7 kids and many grand kids Bajaj and Pre were the real soulmates and Anupre was rail ki Patri in correct sense.

Originally posted by: -Doppelganger-

Add to that she hired two young actors for Anurag and Prerna who would never have agreed to be in the show for long with generation leaps.Especially for Parth, its his first GEC show.Both would have wanted to explore other career options instead of getting stuck in a role for years.

There's a rumor that KZK3 or maybe spinoff is on the way with KauKki story, as EK wanted to show them as the next AnuPre. When I read about it on TT, I was surprised that, how could she even think that Parth and Eri would play grandparents role, when they are not even looking like parents to Sneha, especially Eri. Pehle se hi ye plan tha tho, I will not blame Parica if they decided to quit after hearing this leap option. Because from their initial IVs, it's clear that this is not what they had signed for. The way Prerna’s character was completely ignored and sidelined, towards the end, I am not at all surprised at Eri's outburst. Her reference to 20yr old story not working now and her IG posts with reference quotes like, 'Strong women don't have attitude; they have standards', & 'A strong woman looks a challenge dead in the eye and gives it a wink.” says what she feels went wrong with Prerna’s character. I am glad that she's being vocal atleast now on how she had perceived Prerna.

Originally posted by: _charu_

I agree with everything except bold. Except for first bajaj pre marriage which ended in divorce , neither anurag marry pre nor komo married anurag nor did pre or anurag marry komo or bajaj atter bridge kaand. The marriages itself were kept Dubious and I think it pissed off a lot of trp audience, bec no clarity was maintained ...and why did they do it is anybody's guess..ok BaPre nai karna tha. Anukomo nai karna tha...Anupre toh kar dete. Karate na shadi. The justifications for marriages might have come if there was a story . I dont mind watching romance without shadi , shadi is unimportant but in the story anupre attempted shadi for what ? 5 or 6 times ? Komo tried it twice. They made a joke out of it. As u said everything boils down the the lack of logic and story.

Agree with the last para completely. Going by ektas track record and kzk previous record, it was a crime to continue playing these roles beyond a limit. Ekta k had to replace them, she must be knowing it. I think Corona times added to her miseries , like it did to the rest of the world lol instead of 5 or 6 yr old they had to play parents to a 15 yr old.with little young kids she would have stretched it for may be 6 more months before going for another leap , 6 months wahan bhi chal jaata if there was a story.

I meant the first time Anurag married Komolika (Hina) and Prerna married Bajaj. What I wanted to say was that..her Anurag and Prerna were written differently this season.Trying to fit in tracks of season 1 without even thinking if those will suit the characters this season is what I think went wrong. Not sure if I am making sense. As an example...they introduced Anurag as a sensible guy who lives in the 21st century and knows what he wants.He saved Pre from a human trafficker and chided her for her stupidity but what did the makers do with him in the next track?Made the same guy marry Komolika out of majboori because and only because this track happened in season 1. Did the majboor hoke shaadi karna act suit this season's Anurag?I think not. With season1 , Ekta went with the flow.She didn't have a ready made story. With S2 she already had a story (in season1 ) and tried to fit in her s2 characters into that story resulting in a mess.

Yes the whole mockery of marriage definitely pissed off viewers.Straight after AnuKom marriage , they introduced Prerna coming with dhaaga to fight for her rights. That was the most successful track of kzk.The dhaaga marriage whether logical or not was stressed upon a lot by the makers(a whole track ran on it) but they nullified the very same thing and reduced it to a joke in their next track so that Prerna could marry Bajaj. And the mockery of marriage, durga ma continued... Even during the Viraj track, it was disturbing to see Prerna doing pre wedding rituals with him while wearing Anurags' sindoor and mangaslsotra!What were these people smoking?Its too much of work for the audience to figure out who is married to whom

Originally posted by: .SNOWWHITE.

For one no story or none of the characters have any similarity with AB , B, or P of S1 other than names ,ONS and sneha and a leap .

Anurag2 is remake of Sujjal 😆 (has more similarities with Robbie who was also copy of Sujjal )and Kzk 2 is remake of Kasturi which has similarities to KTH sold in brand name of one of ektas most successful show KzK. But in both kth and kasturi FLs were hatke. The main leads were a combo. Sujjal and Robbie were very popular among trp audience.

Bajajs characterisation is new😆 from psycho to love sick puppy in one day . Fact is that they CVs never bothered about Pre or B in S2 . No wonder Bajaj never looked Bajaj .B1 was grey, Classy ,Sophisticated , with a heart of gold. His redemption track is best among Ekta's MLs. Bajaj1 took 15 years to get into Prernas heart and after that no looking back.

P1 was an ideal wife and mother unlike P2 . Bajaj fell for her beauty too both in and out. Reason Y Bajaj fell for P2 is still unknown🤣

And there is no AnuNePrekokyuMara in S1. It was A who killed B which was a MU. Pre shoot A and take revenge and she serves her sentence. She didn't hide what she did she surrunders in front of police. At that time Pre was grandmother😆

AnuPre S1 was 2 times star jodi not like S2 who r name sake popular😆. And Bajaj was One Man against AnuPre . He was even more popular 🤣 than them. He has the highest number of individual awards. And PreRish were Jodi Bemisal at SPA . Anurag looked like a puppy infront of Bajaj in charisma , characterisation and calibre.

S1 B marries P when she was in love with B and Bajaj tries hard that Pre go back to Anu and play happy family but she took decesion to remain unmarried if Bajaj never marries her . That is where Pre was progressive😳 she never needed a man. Lol even the dupata was flying towards Anu 😆 title song was playing . But it was Pres decesion she won't marry Anu . No godess was there. PreRish starts with Bajajs entry and it took 2 more years Pre slowly fall for Bajaj. First he became father to her kids then her lover and then her husband. Where as in S2 pre was out of syllabus.

And really Pre don't take bullet for Anurag at the end. Komo shoots Bajaj at head and was critical. And Pre had a fight with Komo .. Anu was there. Anu and Komo fights for Gun . Gun shot and hits Pre. It waa Anu responsible for her injury . Pre dies and Anu sits there and dies😂. And Bajaj lives in memory of Pre. Prem writes story of Prerna.

with 3 marriages 7 kids and many grand kids Bajaj and Pre were the real soulmates and Anupre was rail ki Patri in correct sense.

Well zero idea about Sujal or Robbie or kasturi or whatever.who are they ???not interested.

And again I said earlier I m not interested in last season of kzk.

I know one thing which ekta mentioned anupre story of last season in one of her iv during parica promotion.

She said anurag and prerna was always together by Heart.world could not let them stay together.tgey shared some dard ka rishta.

Anurag and prerna had worldly relations with others but with eachother they never needed any relationship.

Again u gave me summary of S1 which was very uncalled for.

I mentioned about S1 with anuneprekokyunmara bcoz cvs tried to establish bapre as couple for long time by butchering anurag completely.But again it's my speculation .it may or may not be right.

And lastly whatever I heard of S1 is tgat anupre were star crossed lovers who could not meet due to unforeseen circumstances.but they died in eachother arms and their last word was also eachother name .

Otherwise for me with my Ltd knowledge,S1 was a big family tree with trying to figure out who is whose husband,wife,mother,father,daughter,son,grandparents and that tree never ends.

Thank god this pre was not ideal bcoz I hate ideal character.I like characters who are weak,flawed ,selfish .But I also wish that cvs would have given character progression and learning from mistakes .But it's fine.it was soap opera and now over.

Originally posted by: _charu_

I agree with everything except bold. Except for first bajaj pre marriage which ended in divorce , neither anurag marry pre nor komo married anurag nor did pre or anurag marry komo or bajaj atter bridge kaand. The marriages itself were kept Dubious and I think it pissed off a lot of trp audience, bec no clarity was maintained ...and why did they do it is anybody's guess..ok BaPre nai karna tha. Anukomo nai karna tha...Anupre toh kar dete. Karate na shadi. The justifications for marriages might have come if there was a story . I dont mind watching romance without shadi , shadi is unimportant but in the story anupre attempted shadi for what ? 5 or 6 times ? Komo tried it twice. They made a joke out of it. As u said everything boils down the the lack of logic and story.

Agree with the last para completely. Going by ektas track record and kzk previous record, it was a crime to continue playing these roles beyond a limit. Ekta k had to replace them, she must be knowing it. I think Corona times added to her miseries , like it did to the rest of the world lol instead of 5 or 6 yr old they had to play parents to a 15 yr old.with little young kids she would have stretched it for may be 6 more months before going for another leap , 6 months wahan bhi chal jaata if there was a story.

Charu,

Anukomo wedding was very much planned by justifying anu sacrifice.But due to dipping ratings,they came out with anupre consummation which we all know last minute added scene and dhaga marriage.

But with bjaj they were so confident with nostalgia factor of bjaj and bapre that they frgt to write story.

I feel their were no writer after that in kzk.only rinse and repeat with zero sense.

Originally posted by: grace4317

There's a rumor that KZK3 or maybe spinoff is on the way with KauKki story, as EK wanted to show them as the next AnuPre. When I read about it on TT, I was surprised that, how could she even think that Parth and Eri would play grandparents role, when they are not even looking like parents to Sneha, especially Eri. Pehle se hi ye plan tha tho, I will not blame Parica if they decided to quit after hearing this leap option. Because from their initial IVs, it's clear that this is not what they had signed for. The way Prerna’s character was completely ignored and sidelined, towards the end, I am not at all surprised at Eri's outburst. Her reference to 20yr old story not working now and her IG posts with reference quotes like, 'Strong women don't have attitude; they have standards', & 'A strong woman looks a challenge dead in the eye and gives it a wink.” says what she feels went wrong with Prerna’s character. I am glad that she's being vocal atleast now on how she had perceived Prerna.

KZK3 🤣 I hope its only a rumour.Good luck to the fans of the show if it indeed happens 😂 😂. Haan...corona costed the show. Tasheen is no doubt a good actress but Parth and Erica looked too young to play her parents.Even the 5/6 year old Sneha didn't suit them.Chotu CP was the best. I do think the proposed leap was one of the major reasons for Parth to quit. Atleast thats what I heard. Erica ka outburst? You mean the IV where she said she wants to say a lot? Haan...it looked like she was also unhappy with the show.

Originally posted by: -Doppelganger-

KZK3 🤣 I hope its only a rumour.Good luck to the fans of the show if it indeed happens 😂 😂. Haan...corona costed the show. Tasheen is no doubt a good actress but Parth and Erica looked too young to play her parents.Even the 5/6 year old Sneha didn't suit them.Chotu CP was the best. I do think the proposed leap was one of the major reasons for Parth to quit. Atleast thats what I heard. Erica ka outburst? You mean the IV where she said she wants to say a lot? Haan...it looked like she was also unhappy with the show.

I was talking generally, connecting both her print and audio IVs. From both the IVs a tone of disappointment could be sensed. And the way she said that she has a lot to say on whether she would have stayed if the show didn't go offair, hints towards a negative response.

@surbhi1995 i've made my views on PreRish earlier, for me that 'potential couple' was never attempted because Prerna never had ANY intention of moving on or even entertained the idea of loving anyone except Anu. Some viewers (mainly AnuPre fans) explained that Komo & Anu can't be classed as a couple because Anu never had any ROMANTIC feelings for her (i agree here), it's the same deal with PreRish 🤨. It had always been about RB's unrequited love & nothing more. I've done an in-depth analysis on them in another post but won't repeat it here. I think they might have attempted PreRish after the leap but covid, Parth's illness & declining ratings put that on ice.

EK was hoping to bank on the popularity & nostalgia of her iconics from the previous season to help bring in audience. i myself watched for RB exclusively but was left utterly disappointed with what she did to such a strong character. She reduced him to the role of a prop for AnuPre like Komo 😒 nostalgia wasn't enough to keep viewers like me interested, you need an actual interesting story to do that 🤔

regarding AnuPre, i think they started of as a lovely couple but quickly went downhill 🙄 the main problem, i think, was the heavy religious connotations of them being divine soulmates 😳. when the reality was exactly the opposite. all of the kasauti's were brought on by AnuPre's own lack of trust, communication & respect for each other, in short a toxic love. they were both deeply flawed humans, we all are, that's why comparisons to dieties & divine couples are insulting.

it's easy to play sauten sauten hence why i think Komo worked but RB didn't. but there's too many differing variables to know what really worked & what didn't but EK's lack of planning, overconfidence on the predecessors popularity, banking on leads popularity & too much focus on off-screen antics rather than plot & good characterisation is what led to it's premature death. (my views)

Originally posted by: grace4317

There's a rumor that KZK3 or maybe spinoff is on the way with KauKki story, as EK wanted to show them as the next AnuPre. When I read about it on TT, I was surprised that, how could she even think that Parth and Eri would play grandparents role, when they are not even looking like parents to Sneha, especially Eri. Pehle se hi ye plan tha tho, I will not blame Parica if they decided to quit after hearing this leap option. Because from their initial IVs, it's clear that this is not what they had signed for. The way Prerna’s character was completely ignored and sidelined, towards the end, I am not at all surprised at Eri's outburst. Her reference to 20yr old story not working now and her IG posts with reference quotes like, 'Strong women don't have attitude; they have standards', & 'A strong woman looks a challenge dead in the eye and gives it a wink.” says what she feels went wrong with Prerna’s character. I am glad that she's being vocal atleast now on how she had perceived Prerna.👏completely agree here, even if Erica can't come out & say it clearly i doubt this is what she had in mind. it's so sad the Prerna was neglected throughout KZK & even tracks that were supposed to be focused on her *revenge* were used to prop up & focus other actors, at her expense. she was always an afterthought for the CVs 👎🏼