Jay - The Mastermind - Page 2

Originally posted by: AutumnColors

Yes, It was always Cheel and Naagin love story. Brinda and Naageshwari confrontation hinted that nothing got change because of popularity, This was all pre-planned. Akesh and Naageshwari, Veer and Bani their scenes are well presented and more grand compare to the Naag and Naagin Jodi of both Era.

Thanks for the reply.

But, why did they take re-birth? 😕

Hriday died, right? 😛 So why Naagin Naageshwari didn’t live happy with Cheel Akesh?

Originally posted by: Swetha-Sai

Thanks for the reply.

But, why did they take re-birth? 😕

Hriday died, right? 😛 So why Naagin Naageshwari didn’t live happy with Cheel Akesh?

Becoz Naageshwari killed Akesh... I think u should watch episode 1...

Originally posted by: Swetha-Sai

Thanks for the reply.

But, why did they take re-birth? 😕

Hriday died, right? 😛 So why Naagin Naageshwari didn’t live happy with Cheel Akesh?

Kyunki nageshwari thinks that she loved hriday and akesh killed hriday so she killed akesh and then killed herself

yes , Jai is a mastermind. he was hriday in his previous life. We don't know whether that hriday guy was a good hearted person or not. i mean just because the naagrani loved him , he is a good guy. naah i don't think so...i am sure he had some evil agenda back then but unfortunately got killed by cheel aakash. Now that he is alive. he will make sure he gets what he wants for e.g. a naagmani to become powerful and immortal. 😛 when his evil intentions will be out bani will choose only veer and fight this evil jai. 👍🏼cheels and nagins will be become friends. 😊lol i predicted the whole plot. 😆

Originally posted by: Dwipanita

So here some of u are saying that Jay ne hi Teer ko bahar nikala tha.. Well that's a very good point. We all know Jay will be villain. But woh villain pyaar mein obsessive types nahi.. Uske bohat kuch hidden intentions hai. Jay related bohat locha hai. Jab sangeet k time light chali gayi tabhi Jay achanak gayab tha and tabhi teer nikla tha. So it's quite possible Jay ne hi nikala hoga. Veer said his brothers to kidnap Jay and kahi chodh k aao. Obviously Veer is grey so aise ut patang ideas hi aayega. But he didn't want to kill him. It was teer who killed Jay.. But why.. Why teer killed him and said humare beech nahi aayega. Yahan humare beech means Bani nahi, reason kuch aur hai, bada kuch.. Jo baad mein reveal hoga which will showcase the dark side of Jay. And Jay ek Naag hai, mat bhulo, woh aise hi mar jayega? Yun hi? No! Teer usko maar raha hai yeh usko pata hai. Woh bas chupchaap tha. Taaki Bani dekh le and isse maar de. Maybe Jay Teer ko maarne k liye hi room se nikala tha so he thought Chalo issi bahane Bani hi maar degi.. Wahan se girne k baad Jay kahan gaya nahi dikhaya. So definitely he is the mastermind and all these actually uske khud k planning..

I don't have a problem with Jay being an evil person/Mastermind.I would rather watch Veerani moments than fake Jani(Jay-Bani) moments.But what I don't get here is the reincarnation logic?Ideally if u go by the reincarnation track then Jay should have been the ideal partner for Bani & not Veer bcoz Lord Shiva cursed Naageshwari for 10000 years due to her allowing the Cheels within the Red temple which led to the Cheels killing her lover Hriday & that's why Naageshwari killed Aakesh in justified revenge but bcoz she could not reunite with Hriday that's why both were reborn as Jay & Bani right? And Veer is the reincarnated version of Aakesh or the reverse logic has been applied here by the CV'S?

I mean by the grace of Lord Shiva the animal forms of both Hriday & Veer got interchanged right with Veer(Hriday) being born into the Cheel family while Jay(Aakesh) gets born into a normal family in the form of a shape-shifting reptile.There was an unverified You tube video which reported some another version that Shiva cursed Naageshwari for the death of Aakesh bcoz he was a Shiv-Bhakt.But why did Lord Shiva do all this & this 2 moon symbolism?So Veer's twin brother was born along with Veer to save Veer from the curse of being killed by the reincarnated Aadi-Naagin Bani.But if Veer is Hriday then why was he born within the Cheel family? Also I don't understand the logic of Jay being evil suddenly.Is he really the evil Aakesh? Obviously Jay should be Aakesh bcoz if he's Hriday then I don't see him devising nefarious schemes against Veerani?

There could be a second contrary opinion-what if Hriday was actually like Vikrant? If u go by the Season N3 then Vikrant fell in love with Ruhi/Bela by design just to get the Nagmani on his mother Sumitra's instruction.Now I understand that there's no lady vamp here so far but who knows if Jay's mother is indeed alive & is the vamp here reborn both with her son Jay or Jay's solely doing this for himself?He might some Nidhok or other enemy snake clan whose sole focus was to get the Naagmani within the Satyug period which got spoiled due to the entry of Aakesh hence he's been reborn today to complete that evil mission.Jay's sole purpose being the Mastermind here is to get the Naagmani otherwise I don't see any reason of Jay being evil.His Plane crash story could also be fake who knows?

Jay has done all this act of being good just to get that Naagmani only.

Originally posted by: masked

I don't have a problem with Jay being an evil person/Mastermind.I would rather watch Veerani moments than fake Jani(Jay-Bani) moments.But what I don't get here is the reincarnation logic?Ideally if u go by the reincarnation track then Jay should have been the ideal partner for Bani & not Veer bcoz Lord Shiva cursed Naageshwari for 10000 years due to her allowing the Cheels within the Red temple which led to the Cheels killing her lover Hriday & that's why Naageshwari killed Aakesh in justified revenge but bcoz she could not reunite with Hriday that's why both were reborn as Jay & Bani right? And Veer is the reincarnated version of Aakesh or the reverse logic has been applied here by the CV'S?

I mean by the grace of Lord Shiva the animal forms of both Hriday & Veer got interchanged right with Veer(Hriday) being born into the Cheel family while Jay(Aakesh) gets born into a normal family in the form of a shape-shifting reptile.There was an unverified You tube video which reported some another version that Shiva cursed Naageshwari for the death of Aakesh bcoz he was a Shiv-Bhakt.But why did Lord Shiva do all this & this 2 moon symbolism?So Veer's twin brother was born along with Veer to save Veer from the curse of being killed by the reincarnated Aadi-Naagin Bani.But if Veer is Hriday then why was he born within the Cheel family? Also I don't understand the logic of Jay being evil suddenly.Is he really the evil Aakesh? Obviously Jay should be Aakesh bcoz if he's Hriday then I don't see him devising nefarious schemes against Veerani?

There could be a second contrary opinion-what if Hriday was actually like Vikrant? If u go by the Season N3 then Vikrant fell in love with Ruhi/Bela by design just to get the Nagmani on his mother Sumitra's instruction.Now I understand that there's no lady vamp here so far but who knows if Jay's mother is indeed alive & is the vamp here reborn both with her son Jay or Jay's solely doing this for himself?He might some Nidhok or other enemy snake clan whose sole focus was to get the Naagmani within the Satyug period which got spoiled due to the entry of Aakesh hence he's been reborn today to complete that evil mission.Jay's sole purpose being the Mastermind here is to get the Naagmani otherwise I don't see any reason of Jay being evil.His Plane crash story could also be fake who knows?

Jay has done all this act of being good just to get that Naagmani only.

Originally posted by: masked

I don't have a problem with Jay being an evil person/Mastermind.I would rather watch Veerani moments than fake Jani(Jay-Bani) moments.But what I don't get here is the reincarnation logic?Ideally if u go by the reincarnation track then Jay should have been the ideal partner for Bani & not Veer bcoz Lord Shiva cursed Naageshwari for 10000 years due to her allowing the Cheels within the Red temple which led to the Cheels killing her lover Hriday & that's why Naageshwari killed Aakesh in justified revenge but bcoz she could not reunite with Hriday that's why both were reborn as Jay & Bani right? And Veer is the reincarnated version of Aakesh or the reverse logic has been applied here by the CV'S?

I mean by the grace of Lord Shiva the animal forms of both Hriday & Veer got interchanged right with Veer(Hriday) being born into the Cheel family while Jay(Aakesh) gets born into a normal family in the form of a shape-shifting reptile.There was an unverified You tube video which reported some another version that Shiva cursed Naageshwari for the death of Aakesh bcoz he was a Shiv-Bhakt.But why did Lord Shiva do all this & this 2 moon symbolism?So Veer's twin brother was born along with Veer to save Veer from the curse of being killed by the reincarnated Aadi-Naagin Bani.But if Veer is Hriday then why was he born within the Cheel family? Also I don't understand the logic of Jay being evil suddenly.Is he really the evil Aakesh? Obviously Jay should be Aakesh bcoz if he's Hriday then I don't see him devising nefarious schemes against Veerani?

There could be a second contrary opinion-what if Hriday was actually like Vikrant? If u go by the Season N3 then Vikrant fell in love with Ruhi/Bela by design just to get the Nagmani on his mother Sumitra's instruction.Now I understand that there's no lady vamp here so far but who knows if Jay's mother is indeed alive & is the vamp here reborn both with her son Jay or Jay's solely doing this for himself?He might some Nidhok or other enemy snake clan whose sole focus was to get the Naagmani within the Satyug period which got spoiled due to the entry of Aakesh hence he's been reborn today to complete that evil mission.Jay's sole purpose being the Mastermind here is to get the Naagmani otherwise I don't see any reason of Jay being evil.His Plane crash story could also be fake who knows?

Jay has done all this act of being good just to get that Naagmani only.

Even though ITV never is known for logic, there is no need for logic anyways in the switching of the ideal partner of naageshwari in rebirth. If we look at the pre-rebirth events, the writers intentionally never established or focused much on hriday and nageshwari as being some kind of true lovers who are connected/ meant to be. Even the ritual that was meant to bind them as soulmates was not completed due to cheels attacking the temple.

In all that pre-rebirth track, the focus was on aakesh love vs naageshwari hatred for each other. Hence in actual writers were showing us that hriday and nageshwari are not actually a true love couple at all. And even through the two pandits the writers kept saying that in the rebirth the characters and situations will be same, but the story will be written differently and the turns and ending may be different.

Also pre-rebirth there was always that prophecy of aakesh being touched by roshini and supposedly will eventually tread the path of light etc, which was being shown through the affect that nageshwari and his love for her was changing him a little. So in a way writers are intending on showing two enemies falling in love this time round, and naageshwari loving hriday in previous life doesn't mean he really is her true soulmate.

Originally posted by: masked

I don't have a problem with Jay being an evil person/Mastermind.I would rather watch Veerani moments than fake Jani(Jay-Bani) moments.But what I don't get here is the reincarnation logic?Ideally if u go by the reincarnation track then Jay should have been the ideal partner for Bani & not Veer bcoz Lord Shiva cursed Naageshwari for 10000 years due to her allowing the Cheels within the Red temple which led to the Cheels killing her lover Hriday & that's why Naageshwari killed Aakesh in justified revenge but bcoz she could not reunite with Hriday that's why both were reborn as Jay & Bani right? And Veer is the reincarnated version of Aakesh or the reverse logic has been applied here by the CV'S?

I mean by the grace of Lord Shiva the animal forms of both Hriday & Veer got interchanged right with Veer(Hriday) being born into the Cheel family while Jay(Aakesh) gets born into a normal family in the form of a shape-shifting reptile.There was an unverified You tube video which reported some another version that Shiva cursed Naageshwari for the death of Aakesh bcoz he was a Shiv-Bhakt.But why did Lord Shiva do all this & this 2 moon symbolism?So Veer's twin brother was born along with Veer to save Veer from the curse of being killed by the reincarnated Aadi-Naagin Bani.But if Veer is Hriday then why was he born within the Cheel family? Also I don't understand the logic of Jay being evil suddenly.Is he really the evil Aakesh? Obviously Jay should be Aakesh bcoz if he's Hriday then I don't see him devising nefarious schemes against Veerani?

There could be a second contrary opinion-what if Hriday was actually like Vikrant? If u go by the Season N3 then Vikrant fell in love with Ruhi/Bela by design just to get the Nagmani on his mother Sumitra's instruction.Now I understand that there's no lady vamp here so far but who knows if Jay's mother is indeed alive & is the vamp here reborn both with her son Jay or Jay's solely doing this for himself?He might some Nidhok or other enemy snake clan whose sole focus was to get the Naagmani within the Satyug period which got spoiled due to the entry of Aakesh hence he's been reborn today to complete that evil mission.Jay's sole purpose being the Mastermind here is to get the Naagmani otherwise I don't see any reason of Jay being evil.His Plane crash story could also be fake who knows?

Jay has done all this act of being good just to get that Naagmani only.

In my honest view, Jai has zero qualities of being a mastermind in this game. I for one believe he is Hriday only, and just like I found Hriday shady, I found Jai shady too. In fact, I also believe that Adi Naagin's entire life has been orchestrated to walk the way this Jai and company want her to walk because she is their biggest weapon against the Cheels. No wonder Cheels are so wary of Nagas, not just because they are mortal enemies, but because Adi Naagin is a very powerful enemy. And this is solely for the Naagmani.

It is rather sad that being an Adi Naagin, Bani is being pushed around like this as if she is some pawn, but really she is a pawn. Bani has been systematically isolated from her own kind so that she does not learn to use her mind more than required. First, her parents are eliminated in a plane crash. Then, she is raised in a family, where she is made to feel like an orphan always and her foster father and foster sister Meera are the only ones who seem to love her. She blindly believes her sister Meera, and I get it. They have practically grown up together.

But Jai? Why Jai? What has he done to earn her trust? Tackle Veer? That is her basis for trust? Since the day of Noor's wedding, everything now seems to be a set up for both Veer, his brothers, and Bani. I am not even denying the possibility that Noor was also some Naagin who took up a fake identity to trap Bani and show Veer in a bad light and aid Jai to win her trust. Since then, all that has happened adds up perfectly. All of a sudden there are eyewitnesses to Noor's death, quite co-incidentally they turn out to be Nag and Naagin. Arnish and Nitin were cheels who reacted to what anyone would to their enemy, and Bani assumes her Naagin form to kill them. Jai begins building Bani's trust, gives her a sob story about his mom's death, similar to her mom's death. How did Jai know the flight number? This means he could be involved in the murder of her mother along with Papa Cheel. Maybe Papa Cheel did not kill the mom? Maybe Jai's family has kept her alive and trapped. You never know.

Jai gives Bani a job in his restaurant. Quite easily, Veer's father buys a floor in that restaurant. Naina seemed to be coming in their way and she is easily eliminated. Bani goes to talk to Veer for Meera, and timely Jai seems to have reached there. It is to be noted, Veer's mark on Bani triggered her memories, not Jai's touch. Both reach the temple and remember the past, which I believe only Bani truly remembers because Jai I think already did before her. He uses memories of her past to reinforce her hate for the Cheels. He plans his own death right under the noses of the Cheels and sends Bani on a rampage and makes her kill another Cheel,Twin bhai, and provokes Veer against Bani. Now with both being married, the field is free for Bani to provoke the Cheels to attack which I think Veer will always somehow manage to avert, and Veer will plan to hurt Bani as well, but not enough to kill her.

Bani is impulsive and stupid and makes silly plans to hurt Veer, but Veer's strength which many think as weakness is his obsession for her. His obsession with Bani, in the long run, is what will be her shield. The Cheels she thinks are her enemies will turn out to be her allies. This Papa Cheel is not as wretched in my opinion. In fact, he is more fearful, than greedy. This time I think, the enemies are not the straightforward ones, like Cheels. It's the ones who wear the mask of friends and family, which makes it difficult for Bani to isolate and kill. That is why this Naagin needs the vision, and sharpness of a cheel, which will help her eliminate them. Aakesh as a character was not explored too much, but one quality he had was throwing light on reality in his own unique way. Naageshwari blindly believed Hriday's words regarding her beauty, but Aakesh showed her the truth. He did not shower her with cheesy praises but praised her beauty by showing her the beauty which she could not see. I think that is what will happen in Veer and Bani's case too. Both will show the truth to each other in their own way.

Coming to Jai being a mastermind, sorry, but he lacks all qualities to be one. The mastermind could be his family, and I have my bets on Dadi dear who hyperventilates at the drop of a hat. I think the only clueless characters are the siblings - Aarohi & Gautam in this scenario.

Originally posted by: libran90

In my honest view, Jai has zero qualities of being a mastermind in this game. I for one believe he is Hriday only, and just like I found Hriday shady, I found Jai shady too. In fact, I also believe that Adi Naagin's entire life has been orchestrated to walk the way this Jai and company want her to walk because she is their biggest weapon against the Cheels. No wonder Cheels are so wary of Nagas, not just because they are mortal enemies, but because Adi Naagin is a very powerful enemy. And this is solely for the Naagmani.

It is rather sad that being an Adi Naagin, Bani is being pushed around like this as if she is some pawn, but really she is a pawn. Bani has been systematically isolated from her own kind so that she does not learn to use her mind more than required. First, her parents are eliminated in a plane crash. Then, she is raised in a family, where she is made to feel like an orphan always and her foster father and foster sister Meera are the only ones who seem to love her. She blindly believes her sister Meera, and I get it. They have practically grown up together.

But Jai? Why Jai? What has he done to earn her trust? Tackle Veer? That is her basis for trust? Since the day of Noor's wedding, everything now seems to be a set up for both Veer, his brothers, and Bani. I am not even denying the possibility that Noor was also some Naagin who took up a fake identity to trap Bani and show Veer in a bad light and aid Jai to win her trust. Since then, all that has happened adds up perfectly. All of a sudden there are eyewitnesses to Noor's death, quite co-incidentally they turn out to be Nag and Naagin. Arnish and Nitin were cheels who reacted to what anyone would to their enemy, and Bani assumes her Naagin form to kill them. Jai begins building Bani's trust, gives her a sob story about his mom's death, similar to her mom's death. How did Jai know the flight number? This means he could be involved in the murder of her mother along with Papa Cheel. Maybe Papa Cheel did not kill the mom? Maybe Jai's family has kept her alive and trapped. You never know.

Jai gives Bani a job in his restaurant. Quite easily, Veer's father buys a floor in that restaurant. Naina seemed to be coming in their way and she is easily eliminated. Bani goes to talk to Veer for Meera, and timely Jai seems to have reached there. It is to be noted, Veer's mark on Bani triggered her memories, not Jai's touch. Both reach the temple and remember the past, which I believe only Bani truly remembers because Jai I think already did before her. He uses memories of her past to reinforce her hate for the Cheels. He plans his own death right under the noses of the Cheels and sends Bani on a rampage and makes her kill another Cheel,Twin bhai, and provokes Veer against Bani. Now with both being married, the field is free for Bani to provoke the Cheels to attack which I think Veer will always somehow manage to avert, and Veer will plan to hurt Bani as well, but not enough to kill her.

Bani is impulsive and stupid and makes silly plans to hurt Veer, but Veer's strength which many think as weakness is his obsession for her. His obsession with Bani, in the long run, is what will be her shield. The Cheels she thinks are her enemies will turn out to be her allies. This Papa Cheel is not as wretched in my opinion. In fact, he is more fearful, than greedy. This time I think, the enemies are not the straightforward ones, like Cheels. It's the ones who wear the mask of friends and family, which makes it difficult for Bani to isolate and kill. That is why this Naagin needs the vision, and sharpness of a cheel, which will help her eliminate them. Aakesh as a character was not explored too much, but one quality he had was throwing light on reality in his own unique way. Naageshwari blindly believed Hriday's words regarding her beauty, but Aakesh showed her the truth. He did not shower her with cheesy praises but praised her beauty by showing her the beauty which she could not see. I think that is what will happen in Veer and Bani's case too. Both will show the truth to each other in their own way.

Coming to Jai being a mastermind, sorry, but he lacks all qualities to be one. The mastermind could be his family, and I have my bets on Dadi dear who hyperventilates at the drop of a hat. I think the only clueless characters are the siblings - Aarohi & Gautam in this scenario.

Originally posted by: forest_foliage

You're right on point with your analysis. Bani's bitter rage is all over the place like split milk. In the long run, it will be her supposed enemies who will aid her in her mission. Veer will show her the reality, only he's capable of doing that, to tame her & to anchor her aggression so that it is applied in the right direction. Veer will lend the much needed shape & stability to Bani's excessive gussa & nafrat so that it is unleashed on the correct enemies.

Exactly, I agree. Bani's rage needs the foresight of a cheel, an anchor, which Veer can only do.