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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: zehreeli.kheer

With all due respect to the deceased, if Sushant was alive, people knowing his other side wouldn't have made much of a difference.. I mean, BW lovers seldom care about love for books or physics or education.. They mostly care about what they see.. How a person conducts himself in IVs and how he comes across.. So the praise is actually mostly coming because he is no more.. even if media had shown his other side, it wouldn't have made much of a difference if he was alive


Yes , agree. I myself, was a fan of his movies but never paid attention to him as a person. There was only negative reports about him, and very less PR anyways.

It is a tragic situation which has made most of the people apologetic of not appreciating a person when he was alive. It also goes with the narrative that he killed himself because he was depressed as we was not getting enough validation. That created a lot of guilt in people.


It's a one dimensional view to think that people are glorifying suicide by appreciating him. Its just not that straight forward.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: YoWorld


Yes , agree. I myself, was a fan of his movies but never paid attention to him as a person. There was only negative reports about him, and very less PR anyways.

It is a tragic situation which has made most of the people apologetic of not appreciating a person when he was alive. It also goes with the narrative that he killed himself because he was depressed as we was not getting enough validation. That created a lot of guilt in people.

True.. The reports about him committing suicide due to depression owing to Industry boycotted him increased the guilt in a lot of people.. Otherwise, anyone who cared enough knew that he was a topper and was well-read.. But lets face it.. being into books and physics does not really has much to do with BW so people don't bother about such details

I don't think appreciating him is glorification of suicide.. But I have to say the sudden out pour of love, though well deserving could affect impressionable minds.. But then he deserved the praise so its a tricky situation to say the least

Of course, right now, even the suicide part is dubious so what to say

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: zehreeli.kheer

True.. The reports about him committing suicide due to depression owing to Industry boycotted him increased the guilt in a lot of people.. Otherwise, anyone who cared enough knew that he was a topper and was well-read.. But lets face it.. being into books and physics does not really has much to do with BW so people don't bother about such details


True.There might be others who are alive right now and as talented as SSR and we don't know about them or appreciate them enough or even show interest.hopefully this tragedy makes people realise to appreciate / show love more often, and not wait for a person to pass away before doing it.

but my point is , people shouldn't be guilt ridden even more by being accused of glorifying suicide. Its a big thing to say.

I have seen many people here and even on social media who are really invested in this case, and they aren't bots and they don't have any ulterior motives.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Nobody is glorifying suicide, or at least that’s not the impression I’ve gotten so far. No one has said suicide is the right thing to do or encouraged someone for the same. Most people have been clear that it’s NOT the solution.

Suicide has existed since time immemorial, unfortunately. It’s not a new thing that was invented by Sushant or the people being accused of glorifying suicide, people died by suicide before Sushant as well.

It’s probably talked about and discussed a lot more now, sure, but it unfortunately has existed for a long time. But that’s how it is with everything, isn’t it? When it’s fresh, everyone wants to talk about it but it fizzles out the minute another topic takes over. How many Bollywood stars, or even IF members, were talking about mental health before this? Not many, but now they’re doing so and rightly so, MH awareness is quite a necessity. Similarly, this nepotism debate happened post Sushant’s death because he was treated unfairly and even if not THE cause, it did contribute to his mental health, and I’m sure of many others too. And that is reason enough to talk about it. If by talking about it, the issue is being addressed and brought to the forefront, then what’s the problem? Please note that I’m not talking about people using it to benefit their agenda or the ones using it as an opportunity to abuse celebrities on SM, I’m talking about people who are being more open about it in hopes of a change, so that another person’s mental health is not deteriorated due to something that can be amended, but is not because people choose to stay quiet or ignore it. And now with it being a possible murder or at least something not being right about it, the media will obviously talk about it. Especially considering how this case was handled intially and how It’s the media that brought the suspicious circumstances to the forefront, and not the police who did a half-arsed investigation. It’s upto is to ignore it if we don’t agree with it.


By giving Sushant and his work love now, speaking highly of him as an actor and a person, it’s the fans and normal people grieving and expressing their love openly, and is not a way to glorify suicide. That’s also unfortunately what happens, all the love and tributes pour in immensely once a person is dead. While Rishi Kapoor was alive, many members here bashed him/his tweets and talked about domestic violence on Neetu extensively, but post his death their was only love to express. Are they trying to glorify domestic abuse? Of course not! It can’t be denied that Sushant was a genuinely kind and generous human who also was great at his job, but didn’t get his proper due while alive. So what do you want? People to criticise him even in death? Or forget he ever existed? Brush the issues that can potentially affect mental health under the carper? Be hush about everything and pretend that will solve suicides automatically?

It’s sad sushant chose to go that way (if it was his choice), but no one has glorified that. I agree suicide inspires suicide many a times, but MH and suicides more often than not go a lot deeper than that, and one needs to understand that. A person on the brink of suicide sees the love pouring in for a celebrity post their death, regardless of the cause and can be triggered. But in neither of the cases are people trying to glorify suicide ever. It does go a lot deeper. Just by hushing up abojt it or badmouthing the person who does choose to end it that way is not going to change anything. People will always find a trigger. What we need to do is not hush up about it but to create more awareness, educate people on recognising the signs and getting help early, supporting people who need that help.

I do see your point, and but I hope you can see mine in this rather long-winded post.


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Posted: 5 years ago
#45

^ Nice post. Also I think that there are many suicides that happen due to ragging, due to extreme pressure of studies, due to casteism, due to unfairness of the society. It's not always depression only. If we don't start up a discussion to eliminate the root causes, how'd the issues be resolved ? Discussing the issues is not glorifying it, rather creating awareness.


Having said that, SSR's case is not a suicide proven yet. So forget about glorifying it in SM or Media. No one except for BW who put out theories of his depression/suicide, talked about that.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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calm down ....people who wants to declare it as sucide very soon will agree its murder....

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Posted: 5 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: prerna4rishav

Who called it suicide yet ? The family confirmed they suspect murder.


The media trials are showing it as murder. Not sure how that can be a possible cause of more suicides when most of the General Public have ruled out the idea of suicide from his case.


They are saying it to feel less guilt. Jiah Khan's parents also say she was killed.

It s a suicide until they prove that he was murdered which i am 100% sure will never be proved.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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I think generally speaking, more so than suicide, after someone passes away people tend to place that person on a pedestal and view them only with rose tinted glasses. And that's fine, it's the way the human mind works I supposed.

We don't value the living, but value the dead.

Sushant seemed like a very genuine and sweet guy, so I definitely get why people are upset that we lost someone like him. Very integral is the guilt factor of not having paid attention to someone like him I suppose, hence why there's so much more compensation.


professionally speaking, I think he was talented and I loved his film choices. But I think he lacked screen presence. if you place him in the same frame next to a Ayushman, Ranbir, and Ranveer, I don't think most people would have noticed him. And that's what happened; despite giving hits, I don't think he ever managed to have the fan following of an Ayushman, Ranbir or Ranveer. Or even Shahid.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: DushtKanya

It's not the suicide that's being glorified. It's Sushant himself. Sushant just happens to be a genuinely good person who has a simple and endearing personality with a brilliant mind that most people are unfortunately discovering now. He's someone who's been misunderstood thanks to an image painted by the media which has caused regret to arise across the nation. I am one of those people. That loss feels so personal it's inexplicable. Plus the stories about Rhea/his friends fiddling with his mental health has caused people to want and fight for justice for this man, if there's more to the story.

I think we all know that not all people who are in the news for suicide get hailed like that. It's Sushant himself. And yes indeed, the media is milking it, whether it's for clicks or for their own agendas. Had people not been so outraged, the media probably wouldn't have bothered.

Besides, at this point, we don't even know if it's actually a suicide or a murder.


Funny how nobody talks about Irfan Khan who died around the same time as sushant. Irfan Khan was a much better actor than Sushant, he was a great human being and had great films and yet, nobody talks about him. Why?

Everyone talks about Sushant because he died by suicide and that s gloryfing it.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

I think generally speaking, more so than suicide, after someone passes away people tend to place that person on a pedestal and view them only with rose tinted glasses. And that's fine, it's the way the human mind works I supposed.

We don't value the living, but value the dead.

Sushant seemed like a very genuine and sweet guy, so I definitely get why people are upset that we lost someone like him. Very integral is the guilt factor of not having paid attention to someone like him I suppose, hence why there's so much more compensation.


professionally speaking, I think he was talented and I loved his film choices. But I think he lacked screen presence. if you place him in the same frame next to a Ayushman, Ranbir, and Ranveer, I don't think most people would have noticed him. And that's what happened; despite giving hits, I don't think he ever managed to have the fan following of an Ayushman, Ranbir or Ranveer. Or even Shahid.


But why nobody talks about Irfan Khan who died around the same time as Sushant?

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