Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 6 - Page 117

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I just noticed this thread🤣

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mahabharat/5169037/introduction-to-vasundhara

Fanfiction time 🤣

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Sorry I m agreeing with u at all

If u r claiming bheesam mother was ordinary woman, then u have to tell where d lady went . Coz no human will disappear in air like she never existed only, ganga is said 2 drown her six children .

Yadav conflict I agree would had happened anyday coz yadav were not saint either.

Still why dwarka submerge in sea just after Krishna left mortal world.

Sri Lanka had proof against Ramayan war , Ramayan Mahabharat both r considered ancient history . Scientists can proof their theory against ram setu & Sanjeevani parvat in lanka , that's why they choose not say anything 4 it. Calcutta mueseum had d stones of ram setu which floats in water .

Scientifically snake body had chances after sometime , science do give justification regarding myth of icchadhari naag theory .

There was snake found which was 900 yrs old had legs , in somewhere south .

We can agree to disagree coz none of us wil agree to each other .

You are using something like the God of gaps principle, just because we don't know how it happened it must have been done by God, similarly just because you don't know when Bheeshm's mother went after leaving him, she must be Ganga. That's not how things can be proved.

She didn't disappear in air, it's just that she was not at all important to be tracked any further.

There are some things called Co incidence, it was a coincidence that Dwarika drowned.

Srilankan Archeologists themselves claimed that Srilankan government are giving many pseudo evidences to promote tourism. And none of the so called proofs that SriLankan government gave would even pass basic scientific texts

No one can prove Ram Setu was natural or was manmade, same with the Sanjeevni Parvat (not one can claim it doesn't originally belongs from there). Such claims can not be made at least now, we might know after further studies, as of now it's Hindu apologists who claim so as a proof.

Historians are not in consensus about historicity of Ramayana n Mahabharatha, especially of the former. And they have no clue about the time when they actually happened if at all they did. Mahabharata has been given a timeline from1600BCE to 936BCE and that's much later than the Hindu claim of 3102 BCE.

Beliefs and academics can't go together

Ichhadhari Naag is again a pseudo science by Hindu apologists, no scientist has ever proposed this possibility..

Please share the source of that 900 old snake with legs. That would have been a Scientific miracle but no one in Scientific community ever talks about it

Where's the link of other thread?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

The death of Baman Avtar is not mentioned nor that of Narsingh. So that is not a rule to be followed.

I am answering the question repeatedly they don't have the responsibility to train Kaliyug people, that's a morale expectation from anyone capable.

They should help because that's the basic principle of humanity

Saving your fellow humans is the duty of every living person.

Would you call anyone who sees a person lying half dead on the road and does not even call for an ambulance as someone moral??

Wouldn't you save anyone you could even if you aren't into contract of saving them

OK so Hanuman is so much into family that he will train Bheem who insulted him because they are half brothers, but not save his devotee from a brutal death despite multiple requests from him just because that person isn't his relative??

And why help Arjun? Just because he was Bheema's brother?

If they are so much into family then their presence non presence don't make any sense at all

Narishma came in existence only to protect prahlad not 4 samajh seva. Narishma ki birth hi nhi hui to death kaise ho gi , he came out of a pillar . Mission over of narishma.

Baman came to test mahabali , mahabali impressed him , so he gave d boon. Noone came to train or protect mahabali , he simply used his brain & succeeded in it . Baman mission over .

Matysa , kurma, varaha , narishma, Vaman all like guest appearance , who have very short roles. In ki birth nhi hui death kaise hoti hai .

Parshuram, ram, krishna & kalki had bigger roles.

Parshuram took birth 4 different reason , lived on earth for good amount of time . He struggled a lot , nobody came to protect or trained him , I guess he approach lord shiv 4 education . He himself found solution for his problems .

Plus he had been said kalki avtar & assist him , he already took retirement from wordly duties , he don't approch anyone , people approach him, karn, bheesam, drona approached him , he dint went 2 them 2 sell his education.

Ram , krishna both never did samajh seva , they never helped each & every person of their time. They only did things which were necessary.

Indian invasion is proof of incapabilities of Indian king. Prithvi Raj lost coz of his foolishness of letting go ghori alive , when he was again & again attacking him .

Indian invasion can't be linked with existence of Chiranjeevis coz connection hi pointless hai

We can blame god to why he dint helped us during invasion. It something really pointless to blame other person 4 ur own incapability.

Chiranjeevi dint trained poras, Chandragupta, chanakya,

Maharana pratap, shivaji , lakshmibai , Bajirao etc . They decided to do something for their own country ,acc 2 own will .

God had made human capable of everything , he gave brain to us. If by use of brain u can do all nonsense things , they use ur brain in good things Also.

We can agree to disagree

# peace

Originally posted by: Andy3456

Where's the link of other thread?

Link

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/topic/5169306#153684325

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Narishma came in existence only to protect prahlad not 4 samajh seva. Narishma ki birth hi nhi hui to death kaise ho gi , he came out of a pillar . Mission over of narishma.

Baman came to test mahabali , mahabali impressed him , so he gave d boon. Noone came to train or protect mahabali , he simply used his brain & succeeded in it . Baman mission over .

Matysa , kurma, varaha , narishma, Vaman all like guest appearance , who have very short roles. In ki birth nhi hui death kaise hoti hai .

Parshuram, ram, krishna & kalki had bigger roles.

Parshuram took birth 4 different reason , lived on earth for good amount of time . He struggled a lot , nobody came to protect or trained him , I guess he approach lord shiv 4 education . He himself found solution for his problems .

Plus he had been said kalki avtar & assist him , he already took retirement from wordly duties , he don't approch anyone , people approach him, karn, bheesam, drona approached him , he dint went 2 them 2 sell his education.

Ram , krishna both never did samajh seva , they never helped each & every person of their time. They only did things which were necessary.

Indian invasion is proof of incapabilities of Indian king. Prithvi Raj lost coz of his foolishness of letting go ghori alive , when he was again & again attacking him .

Indian invasion can't be linked with existence of Chiranjeevis coz connection hi pointless hai

We can blame god to why he dint helped us during invasion. It something really pointless to blame other person 4 ur own incapability.

Chiranjeevi dint trained poras, Chandragupta, chanakya,

Maharana pratap, shivaji , lakshmibai , Bajirao etc . They decided to do something for their own country ,acc 2 own will .

God had made human capable of everything , he gave brain to us. If by use of brain u can do all nonsense things , they use ur brain in good things Also.

We can agree to disagree

# peace

Baman was very much born to Aditi and Kashyap muni as per scriptures, yet there is no mentions about their death so there is no reason there should have necessarily been a death associated to Parashuram.

Ram n Krishna played a very important role in their epics.

Invasions definitely was our incapability, but if after seeing so much of massacre and genocide, these great men didn't feel like helping them, then their presence or absence makes non-sense at all. It isn't a proof of their non existence it's a proof of their uselessness.

And anyhow as I am saying time and again you can not prove that a white crow or a pink elephant doesn't exist in the universe, but they don't become existent just because you can't prove them non existent. As per basic law, the onus of proof lies in the claimant. In case I claim for a White crow, I have to prove it. Aside it's completely useless for me know if or not White crow/pink elephant

A God or these Chitanjeevis are just like that. You can't disprove then but there is not even the slightest of evidence that such things could happen

We know that biologically no one call live for 300 years (forget 3000 years), no one has ever seen them,

Every religion has such stories, and everyone believes theirs but that isn't a proof at all

We are having a debate between belief n logic and there could be no consensus between the two

#Peace

Originally posted by: Armu4eva

I don't agree with your perception that adharm was more during the invaders time than before or later. You are assuming here that the existing Indian kingdoms were all lawful and people were prosperous or living a happy life. It's been fairly mentioned the internal strife that existed between the northern and southern kingdoms.

As I said Krishna gave the strategies, to act or not on it was left to the free will of the mortal. Arjun chose to follow Krishnas direction, if he hasn't, maybe Krishna himself would have destroyed everyone. Also Hanuman was on Arjuns chariot flag and not part of the war I think. Also Bheem like Karn in Parshuram case went to Hanuman, so he was accessible too. Maybe they are accessible and we haven't succeeded in reaching them.

I firmly believe that the immortals exist and they will intervene when the right time comes. Just a day back we were referring to Kalki likely to arrive after 4lac+ years still, so that means adharm is still not at its peak?

I am not believing anything, I am believing in what is written

Have you read Duryodhan went ahead to break the temples or stop sages from religious accumulation?

Have you read about Shishupal parading girls with minimal clothes (or often even not that) and have auctions of theirs

Or Jarasangh creating a tower of human skulls?

If we consider that those times were Adharma just because of differences between North n South then what would we call the times when the things I mentioned and above happened?

What ISIS did recently by making mothers eat the flesh of their kids, wasn't it Adharma?

Krishna was ready to kill Bheeshm when Arjun didn't believe in him..

If we have assume the peak of Adharma then thats a very subjective claim, at any point one might say that it would happen after further Adharma

I am neither pro nor anti God, but definitely don't believe in It's active action

P.S. Hanuman reached to Bheem not vice versa