Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 6 - Page 116

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Hanuman never sat on arjun's rath , it's a myth . Vishwa karma created d illusion of him .

Parshuram is definitely not approachable 4 humans coz he said 2 reside in Mahendra parvat , I don't know by which name now Mahendra parvat is known .

In starbharat it was shown how much difficulty amba faced to reach parshuram ( I know it frictional ) but still he don't live in a place which is easily reachable by human.

Not only parshuram but hanuman 2 retired from his wordly duties

Acc 2 u what r duties of seven Chiranjeevis ? What u expect them to do ?

@Bold I didn't say about sitting on Chariot, but a monkey has been mentioned helping Arjun both in Virat war as well in Mahabharata. The monkey actually Both KMG n BORI Mentions it, and he was a brother to Bheem, so you want to say that it wasn't Hanuman but someone else then that's a different thing

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03149.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04066.htm

The illusion thing is removed by BORI but even if that's true, still Hanuman met n gave a pep talk to Bheem why not later

Karna reached Parashuram so did Amba so they weren't completely unreachable unlike today

I don't have any expectations from 7 Chitanjeevis because I know it's impossible for anyone to be a Chitanjeevi, but I know if they were alive, they would have tried to stop the Adharma n massacre that happened

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It's not a real character. Some Karna fan writing in 1st person as an imaginary sister

Achha achha thanks

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

@Bold I didn't say about sitting on Chariot, but a monkey has been mentioned helping Arjun both in Virat war as well in Mahabharata. The monkey actually Both KMG n BORI Mentions it, and he was a brother to Bheem, so you want to say that it wasn't Hanuman but someone else then that's a different thing

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03149.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04066.htm

The illusion thing is removed by BORI but even if that's true, still Hanuman met n gave a pep talk to Bheem why not later

Karna reached Parashuram so did Amba so they weren't completely unreachable unlike today

I don't have any expectations from 7 Chitanjeevis because I know it's impossible for anyone to be a Chitanjeevi, but I know if they were alive, they would have tried to stop the Adharma n massacre that happened

No where it is mentioned Chiranjeevis hold responsibility to stop adharma why will they stop massacre .

Parshuram was alive in both tretayug & dwapar yug still he dint participated in any of d war . He did had guest appearance in both yugs. Parshuram supposedly took birth in end of satyug or beginning of tretayug.

If died then it should definitely be mentioned .

U r mixing to different things with one , Chiranjeevis r not super heroes who took oath of samajh seva . They had nothing 2 do with invasions.

Ya I read bheem getting trained by hanuman

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

No u were not rude , u definitely have all d right to put ur pov .

Despite being present in duet sabha kripacharya was a mute spectator of draupadi's humiliation , what made u think he will do things now?

Kailash Mansarovar lake had a snake with 5 hoods.

Where did bheesam's mother go , if supposely died , then it would had been mentioned somewhere. Did she disappeared ?

Sun is considered god coz it is d most visible form of god , that's why it is worshipped .

Acc 2 hindu mythology all things have human form , which they take according 2 their will . Be it sun , moon, fire , wind etc.

We don't know how or what was karn's kavach Kundal thing .

If u think all these a lie , why u believe mahabharat happened , coz vedvyas wrote a poem using metafors, whole mahabharat is a big lie .

How did whole dwarka submerged in sea ? Thou ghandhari cursed krishna about it ? Why dint sea submerged dwarka when Krishna was residing in dwarka ? Who gave permit to sea to submerge dwarka once Krishna left d mortal world ?

Can u tell me how part of dronagiri Mountain reached srilanka? Dronagiri is part Himalayan range . It's known as Sanjeevani parvat in srilanka . Archeologist team searched about it , found it this mountain soil matches dronagiri Himalayas soil not Sri Lankan soil .

How do every year amarnath have shivling made of ice in cylindrical form ?

How can only shivling & Nandi idol got saved in kedarnath flood ? Who saved them ?

1) Kripacharya was under Dhritrashtra's governance then so couldn't do much at DyutSabha, but what stopped him later?

2) That 5 hooded snake is again a pseudo science nothing of that sort has ever been evidenced

3) Bheeshm's mother just left or was asked to leave, and that was given a mystical element, nothing else

4) Yes by Hindu "mythology" everything has human form (why human though? Shouldn't it take the form of anything else), not by any physical proof or Scientific evidence of it, and that's what I am saying since beginning of you want to believe in "mythology" everything is possible, but if you see it rationally there is no possibility of it.

Obviously Kawatch Kundal have to be something hard to stop arrows from penetrating inside

5) Mahabharata happened just like many other wars in history. Multiple factors behind it, Ved Vyas was among the planners of that war.

The reason I believe in Mahabharata is not because Ved Vyas wrote a poem there are multiple reasons for it. Would list those in a separate post. To be honest I do not believe that Ramayana actually happened

6) Dwarika submerged that was a co incidence. Gandhari curse had no affect on it. As it is her curse was about finishing off of his clan not of Dwarika getting submerged and Yadav internal fight was long due it didn't happen due to Gandhaari's curse

7) Dronagiri part in Srilanka thing is similar to the claim of Ramsetu, no Scientist has ever confirmed on this. Again even if it's there, it's just a proof that the king of some ancient time got some part there. People have been making long journeys since time immemorial

8) Amarnath water seepage happens in that way, and again a Shivling is the easiest form that could be formed anyway

9) Not just Shiv Nandi but few other things were saved too, but if you want that proof then come Ramjanmasthan n KrishnaJanamsthan temples n idols got destructed?

It's just a belief not anything practically possible

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

No where it is mentioned Chiranjeevis hold responsibility to stop adharma why will they stop massacre .

Parshuram was alive in both tretayug & dwapar yug still he dint participated in any of d war . He did had guest appearance in both yugs. Parshuram supposedly took birth in end of satyug or beginning of tretayug.

If died then it should definitely be mentioned .

U r mixing to different things with one , Chiranjeevis r not super heroes who took oath of samajh seva . They had nothing 2 do with invasions.

Ya I read bheem getting trained by hanuman

Their death isn't mentioned to give a mystical element that's it. Why would they mention everything? Even the death of Yuyutsu and Janamejay isn't Mentioned

Parashuram made guest appearance in both the Yugas but was completely

Seriously Hanuman and Parashuram aren't superheroes? Their actions seem similar to that.

And it's not about them taking an oath or not, it's just that any moral person will try to save the massacre of innocent

So if Hanuman trained Bheem why not Dahir/Prithviraj Chauhan etc. And even Bheem was rude to him so that's not an excuse, he could break the pride of later kings too.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I know it's not real. That person is writing in 1st person as though she is the character😆. Best friend, Karna. And I'm not sure why anyone would want to claim a sexual assaulter as best friend.

Karna would not have been a s*x assaulter since childhood. And people have different feelings for different people, there is no reason to think that one person who has been bad to someone would be equally bad to others

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Their death isn't mentioned to give a mystical element that's it. Why would they mention everything? Even the death of Yuyutsu and Janamejay isn't Mentioned

Parashuram made guest appearance in both the Yugas but was completely

Seriously Hanuman and Parashuram aren't superheroes? Their actions seem similar to that.

And it's not about them taking an oath or not, it's just that any moral person will try to save the massacre of innocent

So if Hanuman trained Bheem why not Dahir/Prithviraj Chauhan etc. And even Bheem was rude to him so that's not an excuse, he could break the pride of later kings too.

They definitely mentioned death of parshuram coz he is considered sixth incarnation of Vishnu , both ram & krishna birth & death r mentioned .

U r not answering my questions why should they protect or train kalyug people ? What responsibility they hold 4 them ?

Regarding bheem , I guess hanuman & bheem r step brothers coz they share same spiritual father vayu dev. Bheem fail 2 recognise hanuman that's why he insulted hanuman .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

They definitely mentioned death of parshuram coz he is considered sixth incarnation of Vishnu , both ram & krishna birth & death r mentioned .

U r not answering my questions why should they protect or train kalyug people ? What responsibility they hold 4 them ?

Regarding bheem , I guess hanuman & bheem r step brothers coz they share same spiritual father vayu dev. Bheem fail 2 recognise hanuman that's why he insulted hanuman .

The death of Baman Avtar is not mentioned nor that of Narsingh. So that is not a rule to be followed.

I am answering the question repeatedly they don't have the responsibility to train Kaliyug people, that's a morale expectation from anyone capable.

They should help because that's the basic principle of humanity

Saving your fellow humans is the duty of every living person.

Would you call anyone who sees a person lying half dead on the road and does not even call for an ambulance as someone moral??

Wouldn't you save anyone you could even if you aren't into contract of saving them

OK so Hanuman is so much into family that he will train Bheem who insulted him because they are half brothers, but not save his devotee from a brutal death despite multiple requests from him just because that person isn't his relative??

And why help Arjun? Just because he was Bheema's brother?

If they are so much into family then their presence non presence don't make any sense at all

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

1) Kripacharya was under Dhritrashtra's governance then so couldn't do much at DyutSabha, but what stopped him later?

2) That 5 hooded snake is again a pseudo science nothing of that sort has ever been evidenced

3) Bheeshm's mother just left or was asked to leave, and that was given a mystical element, nothing else

4) Yes by Hindu "mythology" everything has human form (why human though? Shouldn't it take the form of anything else), not by any physical proof or Scientific evidence of it, and that's what I am saying since beginning of you want to believe in "mythology" everything is possible, but if you see it rationally there is no possibility of it.

Obviously Kawatch Kundal have to be something hard to stop arrows from penetrating inside

5) Mahabharata happened just like many other wars in history. Multiple factors behind it, Ved Vyas was among the planners of that war.

The reason I believe in Mahabharata is not because Ved Vyas wrote a poem there are multiple reasons for it. Would list those in a separate post. To be honest I do not believe that Ramayana actually happened

6) Dwarika submerged that was a co incidence. Gandhari curse had no affect on it. As it is her curse was about finishing off of his clan not of Dwarika getting submerged and Yadav internal fight was long due it didn't happen due to Gandhaari's curse

7) Dronagiri part in Srilanka thing is similar to the claim of Ramsetu, no Scientist has ever confirmed on this. Again even if it's there, it's just a proof that the king of some ancient time got some part there. People have been making long journeys since time immemorial

8) Amarnath water seepage happens in that way, and again a Shivling is the easiest form that could be formed anyway

9) Not just Shiv Nandi but few other things were saved too, but if you want that proof then come Ramjanmasthan n KrishnaJanamsthan temples n idols got destructed?

It's just a belief not anything practically possible

Sorry I m agreeing with u at all

If u r claiming bheesam mother was ordinary woman, then u have to tell where d lady went . Coz no human will disappear in air like she never existed only, ganga is said 2 drown her six children .

Yadav conflict I agree would had happened anyday coz yadav were not saint either.

Still why dwarka submerge in sea just after Krishna left mortal world.

Sri Lanka had proof against Ramayan war , Ramayan Mahabharat both r considered ancient history . Scientists can proof their theory against ram setu & Sanjeevani parvat in lanka , that's why they choose not say anything 4 it. Calcutta mueseum had d stones of ram setu which floats in water .

Scientifically snake body had chances after sometime , science do give justification regarding myth of icchadhari naag theory .

There was snake found which was 900 yrs old had legs , in somewhere south .

We can agree to disagree coz none of us wil agree to each other .

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

So you mean to say that someone who was capable till two Yugas after his birth, suddenly got aged after one Yuga? Yes Karna was 2 generation after Bheeshm n Drona but is it anywhere Mentioned that Karna was the only student of Parashuram at that time? Even if he was, as I said he went to Parashuram and not vice versa so this simply means that Parashuram was approachable for people back then, so why not in Kaliyuga?

If God intervened only when Adharma reaches peak, then the level of Adharma was much more during invaders reign than during the rules of Jarasangh, Shishupal or Duryodhan

And yes Krishna did intervene in the events, most of the war strategies were given by Krishna, Hanuman joined Arjun whenever he fought, he met Bheem n guided him, so why not do that in Kaliyuga? We all know that even if Kauravas has ruled, the Adharma wouldn't have been to the level as it was during the reign of the invaders, so why Krishna thought Dwapar as the time of Dharma ki haani and Hanuman took it onto himself to ensure Arjun's victory back then, but thought of ignoring in Kaliyug? And Hanuman helped him without being asked for help by Arjun

See it is impossible to disprove a thing, you can never disapprove if I say that there is a white crow or pink elephant in this universe, but we know that nothing suggests that there could be one.

So yes we can not prove that 7 immortals don't exist but nothing absolutely nothing suggests that they could

I don't agree with your perception that adharm was more during the invaders time than before or later. You are assuming here that the existing Indian kingdoms were all lawful and people were prosperous or living a happy life. It's been fairly mentioned the internal strife that existed between the northern and southern kingdoms.

As I said Krishna gave the strategies, to act or not on it was left to the free will of the mortal. Arjun chose to follow Krishnas direction, if he hasn't, maybe Krishna himself would have destroyed everyone. Also Hanuman was on Arjuns chariot flag and not part of the war I think. Also Bheem like Karn in Parshuram case went to Hanuman, so he was accessible too. Maybe they are accessible and we haven't succeeded in reaching them.

I firmly believe that the immortals exist and they will intervene when the right time comes. Just a day back we were referring to Kalki likely to arrive after 4lac+ years still, so that means adharm is still not at its peak?