Nepotism or Gondagiri - Page 3

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

Most of these actors haven't even delivered a single hit as the male lead?? It's pretty well established that SSR and Ayushmann had made it as bankable names. With RKR, you are literally proving my point. He delivered a big hit in Stree and has been offered/done plenty of big banner films since then but none of them have worked so why would he be considered bankable?

The rest are struggling because they haven't delivered at the box office. Irfan's son literally wrote a whole post yesterday on how his father was defeated at the BO.

Rajeev Khandelwal's Aamir was a hit.

Kai Po Che was both SSR's and Amit Sadh's movie. While SSR was the lead, all 3 actors were appreciated. Yet only SSR moved ahead.

Irrfan's son's letter was about how Irrfan tried changing mainstream cinema but failed. It doesn't say that Irrfan didn't do good work. He doesn't accuse just the audience. It is a combination.

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

Rajeev Khandelwal's Aamir was a hit.

Kai Po Che was both SSR's and Amit Sadh's movie. While SSR was the lead, all 3 actors were appreciated. Yet only SSR moved ahead.

Irrfan's son's letter was about how Irrfan tried changing mainstream cinema but failed. It doesn't say that Irrfan didn't do good work. He doesn't accuse just the audience. It is a combination.

Aamir was a flop: https://boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=886

Both SSR and RKR got many major offers after KPC. RKR didn't deliver at the box office with many projects afterwards which is why he didn't reach where SSR did. Amit Sadh was more of an exception, he should've gotten more work.

Again, we were talking about getting film offers. That is not about talent or good work as you may perceive it because that is subjective. Producers go by box office success. Irfan didn't deliver there so he didn't get as much backing.

Nepotism will always continue in any entertainment industry. Once an outsider becomes a star he/she will try to launch his kids, spouse, sibling, and anyone from friends and family to have a support group in this cut throat industry. Then the same outsider would try to marry into a filmy family or star kid to settle down permanently.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

I wish I married Bhagyashree so she would launch me 🤣

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Originally posted by: colossial2015

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After Maine Pyar Kiya she got married and asked producers to only cast her husband opposite her (a Man who never acted before) 😆

^This story illustrates politics and role grabbing has and will always remain a constant in Bollywood no matter how much stuff is trending on Twitter 🤣

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

Aamir was a flop: https://boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=886

Both SSR and RKR got many major offers after KPC. RKR didn't deliver at the box office with many projects afterwards which is why he didn't reach where SSR did. Amit Sadh was more of an exception, he should've gotten more work.

Again, we were talking about getting film offers. That is not about talent or good work as you may perceive it because that is subjective. Producers go by box office success. Irfan didn't deliver there so he didn't get as much backing.

Yes and I agree with you. But what I'm saying is that it is a domino effect or even a chicken-egg problem. I'm going to try to lay it out using KPC as an example.

The director/producer/casting house or whoever had a movie. They could easily have gone with already established stars. After all SSR, RKR, and Amit Sadh hadn't shown that they were bankable. Why were they cast then? Someone must have seen that they had talent and took a chance. That one chance led to all 3 going on ahead in the film industry (I'm pretending that Amit Sadh is where he wants to be.)

But based on what you're saying, the 3 weren't bankable. So why were they cast? And once they proved themselves bankable, why did they still struggle so much to get noticed? SSR's true shining came with Dhoni's biography. RKR really hasn't been taken seriously to date. He gets movies but not with the so-called A-league directors. Amit Sadh is still stuck somewhere between web series and character roles.

What I'm saying is that yes it is all about ROI. But if that's the case then how is that relative outsiders or star kids that don't have strong backing don't make it big? Why is that nepo kids like Arjun Kapoor or Sonam Kapoor still get movie after movie despite proving they aren't bankable but outsiders like SSR and RKR and Irrfan Khan have to struggle even after proving they are bankable?

I understand it is all about money, but given a good backing anyone can prove they are bankable. And that's where the idea of this movie mafia comes from. If things were really straightforward then the likes of Arjun and Sonam should be sitting at home unemployed and the likes of SSR, RKR, Amit Sadh, Irrfan Khan, etc. should be getting more work.

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

If things were really straightforward then the likes of Arjun and Sonam should be sitting at home unemployed and the likes of SSR, RKR, Amit Sadh, Irrfan Khan, etc. should be getting more work.

So this comes back to exclusion is bad but excluding certain people is ok. Even if Karan or YRF operate in that manner (if they go ahead and change the people they ignore whats difference does it make)

All the people you mentioned have full filmographys of 2/3 releases a year.

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

What I'm saying is that yes it is all about ROI. But if that's the case then how is that relative outsiders or star kids that don't have strong backing don't make it big? Why is that nepo kids like Arjun Kapoor or Sonam Kapoor still get movie after movie despite proving they aren't bankable but outsiders like SSR and RKR and Irrfan Khan have to struggle even after proving they are bankable?

I understand it is all about money, but given a good backing anyone can prove they are bankable. And that's where the idea of this movie mafia comes from. If things were really straightforward then the likes of Arjun and Sonam should be sitting at home unemployed and the likes of SSR, RKR, Amit Sadh, Irrfan Khan, etc. should be getting more work.

Producers are taking a risk with all newcomers. No new face is bankable, it's just that producers get additional free marketing and publicity with a star kid due to audience/media interest. Everyone still has to prove themselves at the box office film after film to become bankable.

SSR became bankable because he delivered several hits. Same with Varun, Ranveer, etc. On what basis, are you saying he had to struggle to get offers? He was offered multiple YRF and SLB projects after his debut and then despite breaking it off with YRF, he went on to do Dhoni, Kedarnath, Chhichhore, etc.

None of the rest of these names have proven themselves as bankable so clearly whether you have backing or not doesn't get you success. Amit and Irfan barely have any success. From a box office standpoint, RKR is in the same boat as Arjun and Sonam. All of them have had few successes behind them but they haven't delivered as a lead in a while. Also, RKR has worked with Vikas Bahl, Mohit Suri, Vikram Motwane, Anurag Basu, etc. Are you expecting him to work with Ali Abbas Zafar and Anees Bazmee? He's clearly not interested in the massy fare so that significantly limits his options.

Of course, actors with good backing get some more chances so Sonam despite debuting in a flop film was able to get more initial offers than an outsider in the same position would have. Ultimately, it makes your journey easier but you still have to prove yourself. Today, Sonam is not getting any big banner offers so she's mostly doing her home productions or doing bit roles among larger casts.

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

Yes and I agree with you. But what I'm saying is that it is a domino effect or even a chicken-egg problem. I'm going to try to lay it out using KPC as an example.

The director/producer/casting house or whoever had a movie. They could easily have gone with already established stars. After all SSR, RKR, and Amit Sadh hadn't shown that they were bankable. Why were they cast then? Someone must have seen that they had talent and took a chance. That one chance led to all 3 going on ahead in the film industry (I'm pretending that Amit Sadh is where he wants to be.)

But based on what you're saying, the 3 weren't bankable. So why were they cast? And once they proved themselves bankable, why did they still struggle so much to get noticed? SSR's true shining came with Dhoni's biography. RKR really hasn't been taken seriously to date. He gets movies but not with the so-called A-league directors. Amit Sadh is still stuck somewhere between web series and character roles.

What I'm saying is that yes it is all about ROI. But if that's the case then how is that relative outsiders or star kids that don't have strong backing don't make it big? Why is that nepo kids like Arjun Kapoor or Sonam Kapoor still get movie after movie despite proving they aren't bankable but outsiders like SSR and RKR and Irrfan Khan have to struggle even after proving they are bankable?

I understand it is all about money, but given a good backing anyone can prove they are bankable. And that's where the idea of this movie mafia comes from. If things were really straightforward then the likes of Arjun and Sonam should be sitting at home unemployed and the likes of SSR, RKR, Amit Sadh, Irrfan Khan, etc. should be getting more work.

Abhishek Kapoor said he had to go for new faces coz established faces weren't ready to be a part of an ensemble cast ... everyone wanted to be the hero. He had no choice but to go for new faces.

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

Producers are taking a risk with all newcomers. No new face is bankable, it's just that producers get additional free marketing and publicity with a star kid due to audience/media interest. Everyone still has to prove themselves at the box office film after film to become bankable.

SSR became bankable because he delivered several hits. Same with Varun, Ranveer, etc. On what basis, are you saying he had to struggle to get offers? He was offered multiple YRF and SLB projects after his debut and then despite breaking it off with YRF, he went on to do Dhoni, Kedarnath, Chhichhore, etc.

None of the rest of these names have proven themselves as bankable so clearly whether you have backing or not doesn't get you success. Amit and Irfan barely have any success. From a box office standpoint, RKR is in the same boat as Arjun and Sonam. All of them have had few successes behind them but they haven't delivered as a lead in a while. Also, RKR has worked with Vikas Bahl, Mohit Suri, Vikram Motwane, Anurag Basu, etc. Are you expecting him to work with Ali Abbas Zafar and Anees Bazmee? He's clearly not interested in the massy fare so that significantly limits his options.

Of course, actors with good backing get some more chances so Sonam despite debuting in a flop film was able to get more initial offers than an outsider in the same position would have. Ultimately, it makes your journey easier but you still have to prove yourself. Today, Sonam is not getting any big banner offers so she's mostly doing her home productions or doing bit roles among larger casts.

@ Bold: This ties into my point. Star kids have an advantage. A massive advantage. And like I said that obviously they should use it. But why are star kids who haven't even entered the industry yet getting massive promotions? Suhana Khan appeared on the cover of Vogue. Are you telling me there aren't enough actresses? Taimur Khan even coughs and it becomes front page news in entertainment, but a TV actor dies of cancer in a municipal hospital too broke to even pay his final bill and that is relegated to the obituary only. I get it. Star kids have to prove themselves against their fathers, mothers, mentors, uncles, aunts, cousins, childhood friends, etc. But why are they given so much coverage over other celebs? Why was Alia Bhatt giving tribute to Kareena Kapoor on Filmfare (I think that's the award show it was on) after just doing 2 movies? Was there no one else?

@ Red: I don't just mean offers, but in general. Vikrant Massey was nominated for a jury award, but didn't even get invited to the award ceremony. If he would have won they would have said he couldn't make it. Isn't that a struggle? Vidya Balan was forever mocked for her weight. Yes she has a carved a niche for herself, but wasn't that a struggle? Nimrat Kaur has proven herself a good actress but she is still not as visible in Bollywood as she should be. SSR had umpteenth blinds written about him because he was quickly rising the ranks. Was it not a struggle to prove himself even more so because of those blinds?

That's why I call it movie mafia. I don't say every actor should be a top actor. Let them choose where they want to work and specialize. RKR is happy staying out of mainstream masala movies. Good for him. But don't make the life of outsiders harder than it already is. Don't write blinds to bring them down. Don't mock them. Don't laugh about their weight. And if a star kid is obviously not bankable then let them do something else like it was before.