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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Each person reacts to trauma in a very different way.

I believe most of us interacting on this thread are women.


Can you be honest and tell me if you have never heard of in your own social circle of some girl being groped or molested specially in public transport.

And she simply froze and did not react.

Never raised a voice or even squirmed. Because she was shocked that this was happening to her.


Its easy to say she would have protested for someone who has never faced assault themselves. Only the people who have gone through it know the pain.


And this is 21st century....


Arjuna was the best warrior of the time, even an akshauni of battle trained warriors lost their lives at his hands do you all really feel a few bodyguards would be able to stop him.


But yes Subhadra did not protest, she did not scream like Draupadi. She gave up and resigned herself to her destiny unlike Draupadi who refused to be cowed down and was willing to pay any price for justice


And because she did that Arjunas descendents and Krishnas devotees got the opportunity to whitewash the incident


Based on all the above posts.... Are you all able to see how easy it is for you to believe that Duryodhan may have done it, Samba would have done it.


But Arjun cant.... He is the good guy....

You explained it in a much better way than I could


And not just that Arjun could have easily defeated the bodyguards, we must also remember that Krishna was also involved in the plan. He might have actually ordered the body guards not to act against Arjun

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Can anyone tell me something about kripacharya ? I want 2 know why he is a Chiranjeevi ?


As I see his life journey then he was involved in many crimes like.


1 ) witness & not objecting draupadi's humiliation.

2) member in Abhimanyu vadh

3) he was member in killing of upandavas & drishtdumya with ashwatthama & kritvarma.


Then why he is Chiranjeevi ?


He not a great devotee of lord Vishnu/Ram like hanuman, mahabali & vibhishan

Nor he was cursed like ashwathama

Nor he is sage like vyas

Nor he is divine birth like parshuram


I think chiranjeevi tag was given to anyone not dead at end of MBh

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Chiillii


I have explained this in my post. Specially point no. 1 to 7


I read that but what suggests in the text that Arjuna had raped Subhadra? If Abduction = Rape then Krishna asked Arjuna to rape his sister?


There's no grey area in rape, Rapist and enablers are worst sort of individuals


Justice for Draupadi on one hand and Rape for his sister? This doesn't make sense to me


How do these people remind Karna and Dury of what they did to Draupadi?

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Posted: 5 years ago

Well my grouse is that anyone else did what Arjun and Krishna did. People would simply accept it and say they were wrong to do so. End of the matter.


When it comes to Krishna and Arjun. Oh they cant do that. They didnt do that...They are good guys...


Just a few pages back we had posts going on why does Duryodhan have to abduct princesses. Why didnt anyone like him, or give him his daughter.


I just want to say,,, boss why the hell did Krishna have to suggest abduction of his own sister. And most importantly why did Arjun have to kidnap her.


Didnt he have faith in himself. If subhadra did like him, abduction ki kya zaroorat thi...

Well the need that Arjun have for kidnapping subhadra. Duryodhan had the same need.

They both could not accept being rejected. They both needed the political alliances with the woman's kingdom.


But if it is not right for Duryodhan to do so, why should it be right for Arjun.


Like I mentioned before I dont buy the BS of Balram being against it, hence kidnapping as per north MB and elopement as per South MB.


Because an angry Balram enraged at the insult to his might by the kidnapping gets calmed and agreeable in a matter of minutes by Krishna. How long would it have taken Krishna to convince him if Arjun had not even done the crime of kidnapping. Yudhishtir and Vasudev had also agreed happily. And if Balram was a problem, he was dumb enough to be manipulated with a swayamvar.


Kidnapping and yes it was kidnapping and not elopement was done because as Krishna says, they were afraid of Subhadra's rejection

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


I think chiranjeevi tag was given to anyone not dead at end of MBh


May I know ur name ?


I gave my reasons why other six r Chiranjeevi now don't ask proof coz I don't have🤣sorry was joking.


I read about lord kalki , he was said to be trained by lord parshuram & these Chiranjeevi r said 2 assist him .


I searched but could not find d reason 4 kripacharya , maybe he is alive 2 give company to ashwatthama his nephew🤣🤣

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


I read that but what suggests in the text that Arjuna had raped Subhadra? If Abduction = Rape then Krishna asked Arjuna to rape his sister?


There's no grey area in rape, Rapist and enablers are worst sort of individuals


Justice for Draupadi on one hand and Rape for his sister? This doesn't make sense to me


Abduction = unwilling woman who then marries the abductor because no other option.


But marriage involves physical intimacy. Unwilling woman submitting to physical intimacy is probably why prologmena called it rape.


Krishna rescued women left and right after sexual assault. He married most of them. So it's not as though he didn't understand the concept of consent.


That he believed Arjuna was a good guy is clear. That he believed Subhadra would be happy is also clear. That it was politically expedient is very much clear.


My assumption is he justified #3 in his mind using #1 and #2 in above paragraph.


Doesn't make it right.


This is why I'm astounded by arguments of blood was thicker than water for Krishna when it came to Subhadra and Panchali. He was a horrible brother but an amazing friend.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


Abduction = unwilling woman who then marries the abductor because no other option.


But marriage involves physical intimacy. Unwilling woman submitting to physical intimacy is probably why prologmena called it rape.


Krishna rescued women left and right after sexual assault. He married most of them. So it's not as though he didn't understand the concept of consent.


That he believed Arjuna was a good guy is clear. That he believed Subhadra would be happy is also clear. That it was politically expedient is very much clear.


My assumption is he justified #3 in his mind using #1 and #2 in above paragraph.


Doesn't make it right.


This is why I'm astounded by arguments of blood was thicker than water for Krishna when it came to Subhadra and Panchali. He was a horrible brother but an amazing friend.


I don't see grey in rapists and rape enablers so this changes my whole perspective on Mahabharata and these two characters, if they actually planned rape of Subhadra

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


I don't see grey in rapists and rape enablers so this changes my whole perspective on Mahabharata and these two characters, if they actually planned rape of Subhadra

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No, they did not plan rape of Subhadra in the sense they planned to have Arjuna sexually assault her.


They planned an abduction and forced marriage.


But intimacy follows marriage. I believe that's why prologmena called it rape.


I can see Arjuna not seeing it as rape. I cannot see Krishna not understanding it because he understood it well enough with other women.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


No, they did not plan rape of Subhadra in the sense they planned to have Arjuna sexually assault her.


They planned an abduction and forced marriage.


But intimacy follows marriage. I believe that's why prologmena called it rape.


I can see Arjuna not seeing it as rape. I cannot see Krishna not understanding it because he understood it well enough with other women.


That's why asked what in the text suggests that Arjuna and Krishna planned a rape attempt on Subhadra, It is very important that we understand what actually happened with her, if rape was involved then I don't see anything good in both of them

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


I think chiranjeevi tag was given to anyone not dead at end of MBh

Does that make Parikshit or Yuyutsu Chitanjeevi?

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