Mr Bajaj-KSG Replacement Discussion thread. Note -pg7, 48, 78 - Page 33

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya

It's easier to say than to imply. Fwice is being concerned with the health care of the artists and workers because the production team doesn't want to take care or be responsible of any damage that occurs and that also exposes the dirty internal politics of the ITV industry 🤷‍♀️

With all due respect, we ..n that means ALL of us individuals WILL have to adjust to the new normal , till the time the economy is back on track and a cure is found. If the artists are too adamant to take a pay cut..which is like..lakhs of rupees per day , n who may need just 50 or 60 percent of it for their daily expenses ( I am considering the fact that everyone has investments and Emi's and they need to keep it going ) , the same money can be used to pay the other workers regularly so that they are not driven to poverty. If everyone is concerned for their health and they can continue like this for few more months they should not resume the shoot in that case. You are thinking from the workers pov. Think from the employer's pov also. When the lockdown was removed , all the factories owners were held accountable for any positive case in their work area , the owners refused to open them till the time order was taken back. Whoever is stepping out today is only to earn bread and butter...everyone has some or the other compulsion... Privileged people can go on a year long break , they are free to do so. Point is , the responsibility and privilege should be equally divided . Saara blame producer par ,insurance money bhi wahi se , credit bhi wo na de ,pay rise bhi . And if the serial flops, audience ki gaaliyan bhi usko along with the losses. Better to shut their shops . The old way of working is not feasible in todays times. Wo time aane nai wala kitna bhi koi kuch kare.

As for he insurance thing. I am not aware of the technicalities . But yes I know the health care "actual " situation. That's why the lockdown was required but unfortunately..it was impossible to control it in a country like india.no matter how much we say we care for the bts team and daily wage workers ,unemployment rate around the world is on all time.high . So this is my opinion only that ppl must hold onto their jobs if possible , even if they have to adjust for sometime, bec this situation may continue for a few more years. Kya karenge? Suicide karenge ya bhooka mare? In today's times sabka band baj gaya hai buri tarah. Wo crorepati the ya koi aur.

So anyone who gets corona in the team, who will pay for their hospital Bills?.producer or the association ? Means bec they were asked to come for work , there will a health cover for them right ? And they are negotiating on the amount ?is that so?

What I said may be difficult to implement but eventually thy will have to look for solutions. N solutions wont be simple.

Originally posted by: DrshreyaKGrover

Its really a confusing time all together

On one hand its about earning livelihood and other its about life .

Bcoz when we talk about the underprivileged, we also keep in the mind that if corona hits u real bad due to co morbid condition ( and don't hv the myth that only elderly and kids are under risk , anyone who smokes ( which is like 95% of these sort of people who are working under stress 16-18hrs, alcoholic, anyone on any sort of steroids , any one with any lung disease, uncontrolled Diabetes mellitus, hypertension , asthma , tuberculosis.. and the all above conditions are extremely common in India, infant India is capital of all above said condition in the world .

So they might need the ventilator and which is expensive as hell.and hence make it unaffordable and hence loosing life is the only way ..(.its just being said got will supply .fact is known to all !)

India has over 15k official data death ( real number can be dreadful ).

In karan's world , we human responds to the situation and apt well be it any sort of adversity .

So people who are surviving till now can hang in there for few more weeks ..let this speed atleast settle down a bit !

But PH n channel 🤣 all they need is money ..and in recent days, the stories following the unfateful ssr news, it has become evident that humanity doesn't not even comes in top 5 priority list for these ppl .

Now u will say tumlog k liye bahut aasan hai ye sb gyan dena...bt trust me its not .

We health care providers know the dark side which is being hidden behind the very awesome number of 55% recovery .

Ok. This calls for.a big debate but rehne dete hain.

Originally posted by: _charu_

With all due respect, we ..n that means ALL of us individuals WILL have to adjust to the new normal , till the time the economy is back on track and a cure is found. If the artists are too adamant to take a pay cut..which is like..lakhs of rupees per day , n who may need just 50 or 60 percent of it for their daily expenses ( I am considering the fact that everyone has investments and Emi's and they need to keep it going ) , the same money can be used to pay the other workers regularly so that they are not driven to poverty. If everyone is concerned for their health and they can continue like this for few more months they should not resume the shoot in that case. You are thinking from the workers pov. Think from the employer's pov also. When the lockdown was removed , all the factories owners were held accountable for any positive case in their work area , the owners refused to open them till the time order was taken back. Whoever is stepping out today is only to earn bread and butter...everyone has some or the other compulsion... Privileged people can go on a year long break , they are free to do so. Point is , the responsibility and privilege should be equally divided . Saara blame producer par ,insurance money bhi wahi se , credit bhi wo na de ,pay rise bhi . And if the serial flops, audience ki gaaliyan bhi usko along with the losses. Better to shut their shops .

As for he insurance thing. I am not aware of the technicalities . But yes I know the health care "actual " situation. That's why the lockdown was required but unfortunately..it was impossible to control it in a country like india.

So anyone who gets corona in the team, who will pay for their hospital Bills?.producer or the association ? Means bec they were asked to come for work , there will a health cover for them right ? And they are negotiating on the amount ?is that so?

What I said may be difficult to implement but eventually thy will have to look for solutions. N solutions wont be simple.

Okay fine I am thinking from the employer's pov too, they are already safe in their houses in no way working on the fields and already saying they will not take responsibility of any liability? Isn't that exploitation at the first place? Is TV industry/Movie industry even essential services that needs to resume right now in such an epicenter where cases are not stabilizing rather instead increasing? Fwice asked insurance price to be covered the regional tv could adjust to the price even when their budget isn't so, here only major bigger ph are reopening their shows yet can't agree to the cost as stated by fwice? Though their budgets are even more than that of regional tv. Coming to your third underline, generally ph is responsible for any mishap that takes place on the sets from broken bones to unfortunate incidents that leads to lives being lost. So if Fwice has already stated and asked them to take care of this, why are they being reluctant? And because they are reluctant and don't want to negotiate, fwice ofc won't pass their bills. 🤷‍♀️ Fwice is responsible for all the artists and crew. These ph approached Fwice to have their work dons, fwice did with the regulations imposed by the govt. I don't see any profits that Fwice will make out of this 🤷‍♀️ it's just for the protection of the artists and crew.

Also what makes you think daily wagers will even get money? They come with no work no pay clause heck even worse, work first then you will get money which is why they are not ready to shoot. Moreover they wouldn't be even getting paid even if the show resumes at the first place. Which is why Fwice had to intervene. They will anyway have to look for something else infact most have already migrated to their native lands or is suffering from corona**** (= the cases on rise & majority of the cases come from the areas where they stay in Mumbai = apologies of that hurts anyone the statement is made after seeing the number of cases and areas majorly affected in Mumbai)

Is the PH anyway gonna take their responsibility or anyone's responsibility when anyone gets affected?

Govt hospitals have no provisions private hospitals are charging more than 40K+ per day from where will these people even afford? Thinking from the employer pov, right, will they even be there on the field getting exposed to the threats? Thinking from the employer's pov they are all bankrupt which is why they are forcing people to shoot? Thinking from the employer's pov if the show doesn't run it should be shut okay so what about the people working in these shows? The ph can take out another project but these people?

Even fwice has said that most artists can't say because they are bounded by the contract with the pH and channels yet they all are not willing to go ahead not only because of pay cuts but also because the ph / channel will be not be responsible if anything happens to them.

Ofc many people will say we are also forced to resume work our employers don't provide all these, I ask you are working for your need, but your employer doesn't need to. Similarly the people who you are talking about actually have the provisions and money to wait, and when they do they should wait rather than risking everyone's health in the name of profits and greed and veiling them behind the name DAILY WAGERS.

& Ofc who ever is stepping out today is all about livelihood vs lives. Unfortunately the ones for whom we are batting for won't be even in the team.

Originally posted by: _charu_

What I said may be difficult to implement but eventually thy will have to look for solutions. N solutions wont be simple.

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Originally posted by: opsora2090

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about the payment cut of casts in this situation .. it is another debatable things.. dono side sei logical points aa sakte hai toh i am not going on that part ...

But 16 hrs working schedule is simply inhuman in this situation .. in same gathered place these people will have to spend 16 hrs , how could producer think now.. 🤪 . this clause is simply disgusting . 👎🏼

Originally posted by: opsora2090

about the payment cut of casts in this situation .. it is another debatable things.. dono side sei logical points aa sakte hai toh i am not going on that part ...

But 16 hrs working schedule is simply inhuman in this situation .. in same gathered place these people will have to spend 16 hrs , how could producer think now.. 🤪 . this clause is simply disgusting . 👎🏼

Originally posted by: opsora2090

about the payment cut of casts in this situation .. it is another debatable things.. dono side sei logical points aa sakte hai toh i am not going on that part ...

But 16 hrs working schedule is simply inhuman in this situation .. in same gathered place these people will have to spend 16 hrs , how could producer think now.. 🤪 . this clause is simply disgusting . 👎🏼

Even under normal circumstances usual shift in television is of 12hrs, but they always extend it till 16hrs-18hrs when they don’t have episode banks and filhal sare shows ka yehi haal hai so they can’t work without extending the 16hrs shifts also. FWICE knows how the PH works that is why they are asking for 8hrs shift so that even if the shift is extended the people who will come to work will not be strained that much if the shift is going to be extended.

Originally posted by: WaqtZaya

insurance bhi nahi upar se.

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