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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Arjun already had Pashupatiastra which couldn't be neutralised so he didn't need another one

Shaktiastra was given as a weapon without counter in lieu of the Kawatch Kundal hence giving a counter of it wouldn't be possible

Why didn't Karna use it on day 11?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Why didn't Karna use it on day 11?

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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Why didn't Karna use it on day 11?

He didn't even use it during Virat war.

Such weapons are not for random usage, these are very high calibre weapons which are saved for situations beyond control

Yup the classic one being Ahalya.

A + hal + ya means unplougable dry land. We have subhrahmanya hymn of Gautam blessed by Indra lover of his unploughable land.

Rains when they fall on dry unploughable land and make it fertile. So the dry land loves the rain..

This gets changed to Indra raping ahalya in some puranas and ahalya willingly get seduced by him in others.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Yup the classic one being Ahalya.

A + hal + ya means unplougable dry land. We have subhrahmanya hymn of Gautam blessed by Indra lover of his unploughable land.

Rains when they fall on dry unploughable land and make it fertile. So the dry land loves the rain..

This gets changed to Indra raping ahalya in some puranas and ahalya willingly get seduced by him in others.

Oh so is this the origin of that story? I always wondered why this element was added.

But then how do you justify the relation between Devasur(god and demons) war in Vedas and Ahur Daevas conflict (god and demon) of the Avesta. Daevas never reached a position to challenge the Ahurs in Avesta

I think some of the Vedic hymns are the fictionalised accounts of the conflict/small sized war between the followers of Vedas and the followers of Avesta. The wins were attributed to the Vedic God.

I think freeing of cows from Panis and making the water available (probably the followers of Avesta had made some kind of dam to stop the water flow) were definitely done historically at some point of time, just instead of the group the action was attributed to the Indra himself (like people even today say that God fought the war with us etc.)

Now that we are discussing everything, could we discuss why the Dashavatar of Vishnu follow the Darwins evolution order, and why were only these 10 selected although Vishnuji has at least 30 Avatars?

I think some of the early sage in India (remember most of the sages were an early form of Scientists in themselves) had actually understood the evolution, but explaining it to the masses was a big challenge, so instead he selected the Avtars of Vishnu which represented the order of evolution and arranged them in the order of evolutionary stages, so as to give an easier understanding to the common people.

Maybe the university books of those days did have some inputs on evolution directly too, but unfortunately most of the books were burnt by the invaders😡and we have no proof left of our excellent past

No Dashavatar dont follow darwins evolution.

Because if they did. With Matsya Vishnu there will be no Human Manu.

And there are not just ten aavtars. Vaishnava have 24 Avatars. We have hayagriva horse preceding Matsya.

And varaha comes first not Matsya...because this varaha kalpa. It starts with varaha avatar aparently. Vaivasvat manu the grandson of kashyap becomes the king and meets Matsya vishnu much later aftwr the earth has been settled.

And Vaivasvat manu inherits the earth from his grandfather Kashyapa who got the earth as donation from Parshuram who comes much later in the list and is a human.

And Bali the leader of asura in kurma avatar is a great grandson of hiranyakashyipu. The guy who was killed by narsimha a lion

so how can land based boar a mammal come before Matsya a fish and Parshuram a human. And how can you have greatgrandson with kurma and great grandfather with narsimha.

This is what happens when people start taking modern science theories and forcibly try to fit it to our scriptures and start claiming we were scientifically so advanced.

Puranas and vedas are not compendium of science. Vedas is a philosophical text based on nature worship. Puranas are historical accounts and stories embellished mythical and magical elements to bring the masses into a specific religious order.

Yes our religion is not antagonistic with science like abrahamic religions in the past.

We did have scholars who pursued science. But their texts are different and have nothing to do with religion.

We have rishi saunaka's texts on social studies and ethnocentric statistics, we have Aryabhatta and Varahimira works on mathematics and physics and astronomy

We have sulabha sutras on maths and chemistry and

We have charaka samhita on medicine and anatomy

Let us not make the same mistake that someone did of saying Ganesha's head replacement was first example of plastic surgery.

It makes us a laughing stock.

When people who dont even know what plastic surgery is or have not even read any of the scriptures be it vedas or puranas or ancient science books and then only based on stories they have heard or tv shows they have seen start making claims of science being taken from.vedas

Originally posted by: Chiillii

No Dashavatar dont follow darwins evolution.

Because if they did. With Matsya Vishnu there will be no Human Manu.

And there are not just ten aavtars. Vaishnava have 24 Avatars. We have hayagriva horse preceding Matsya.

And varaha comes first not Matsya...because this varaha kalpa. It starts with varaha avatar aparently. Vaivasvat manu the grandson of kashyap becomes the king and meets Matsya vishnu much later aftwr the earth has been settled.

And Vaivasvat manu inherits the earth from his grandfather Kashyapa who got the earth as donation from Parshuram who comes much later in the list and is a human.

And Bali the leader of asura in kurma avatar is a great grandson of hiranyakashyipu. The guy who was killed by narsimha a lion

so how can land based boar a mammal come before Matsya a fish and Parshuram a human. And how can you have greatgrandson with kurma and great grandfather with narsimha.

This is what happens when people start taking modern science theories and forcibly try to fit it to our scriptures and start claiming we were scientifically so advanced.

Puranas and vedas are not compendium of science. Vedas is a philosophical text based on nature worship. Puranas are historical accounts and stories embellished mythical and magical elements to bring the masses into a specific religious order.

Yes our religion is not antagonistic with science like abrahamic religions in the past.

We did have scholars who pursued science. But their texts are different and have nothing to do with religion.

We have rishi saunaka's texts on social studies and ethnocentric statistics, we have Aryabhatta and Varahimira works on mathematics and physics and astronomy

We have sulabha sutras on maths and chemistry and

We have charaka samhita on medicine and anatomy

Let us not make the same mistake that someone did of saying Ganesha's head replacement was first example of plastic surgery.

It makes us a laughing stock.

When people who dont even know what plastic surgery is or have not even read any of the scriptures be it vedas or puranas or ancient science books and then only based on stories they have heard or tv shows they have seen start making claims of science being taken from.vedas

Agreed. Worst is, then even the genuine achievements get ignored. Atharva Veda and Sushruta Samhita have genuine scientific stuff (appropriate for era), but those get ignored because of idiotic claims.

Kahsyapa got the earth to rule as a donation from Parshuram avatar

Kashyapa muni had 13 wives. Two of them were Aditi and Diti.

Diti's eldest son was Hiranyaksh who was killed by Varaha Avatar

Then came the second son Hiranyakashipu who was killed by Narsimha avatar

First wife Aditi's second son was Vivaswan. Vivaswan's son was Manu. Who was helped by Matsya Avatar.

Hiranyakashipu's great grandson was Bali who was part of Samudra Manthan with Kurma Avtar and as well as Vamana Avatar

In Kurma Avatar also present was the famous Rahu who was son of Danu Kashyap third wife.

Parshuram' father Jamadagni had the cow surabhi whose theft was the reason of fight with kartaviya arjuna. This surabhi was daughter of Nandhini who was daughter of Kamadhenu, the daughter of another of Kashyap munis wife.

These Dasavathar are story of one extended family of Kashyap muni, who apparently had enough clout that only his family's stories got a lot of prominence...

But as you can see above the order does not match popular perception of dasavathara

Parshuram

Varaha

Narsimha

Matsya

Kurma

Vamana

Krishna

And Balram is called incarnation.of shesha naga at many places not vishnu so he is not even.supposed to be in dasavathar and actually gets replaced with buddha in several texts.

So please dont have the misconception that Dasavthar has anything to do with evolution theory of Darwin.

Which by the way already the current scientific community has stated that it is only partially correct

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Agreed. Worst is, then even the genuine achievements get ignored. Atharva Veda and Sushruta Samhita have genuine scientific stuff (appropriate for era), but those get ignored because of idiotic claims.

Yeah, these kind of stuff that people talk about without understanding either modern scientific theory or terminlogy nor do they actually read the scriptures.

There are so many of them

Dasavathar being evolution, plastic surgery of ganesha....

And that one, the invitro fertilization birth of Kouravas.

When they dont even know that invitrofertilization was opposite of the story told for birth of Kaouravas.

The fertilization of embryos happened in gandhari's uterous not outside in a lab

There are many like this...