Draupadi- Satyabhama Conversation - Page 8

Beauty and intelligence never gets any one respect or love

You have to give respect to get respect

You have to love someone to get their love

And being respectful and being loving does not mean being a doormat

And being sarcastic and rude can only shut people up it cannot win them over

Remember dice game was one extreme event of her life

She had a life before it and she had a life after it.

Like BR Chopra and his charachterisation of Rupa Ganguli. Please dont color your perspective of her with the dice game

This conversation is post Dyut Sabha anyway.

Cannot accept someone who staked her and told her to stop the drama when she spoke of her sexual assault loves her. Agreeing to disagree.

Also agreeing to disagree that she fits this trashy patriarchal concept of the ideal wife which is described in this conversation.

And no, in no way does this description do any good to women.

She was not teaching niti katha to Satyabhama rather if you read the lines carefully she was asking her to always put her husbands before her, never be rude, treat them as Gods - basically typical misogynistic Manusmriti conception of a woman.

And no, I do not accept she was a woman of her times. Her time had wrong laws, flawed conception of justice. It was a time when personal vows were more important than what is right. It was a time when men were allowed to abduct, r**e and harrass women as though they were property. She was someone who brought CHANGE with her. If you read conversations of her with other characters, her arguments in Dyut Sabha, her clear sense of justice and reasoning where she explains her political philosophy, it's clear she was anything but a Dwapar Yuga woman who thought it was Dharma to serve husbands as God and sacrifice your own sense and sensibility of justice. Sita can do that, not Draupadi.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Beauty and intelligence never gets any one respect or love

You have to give respect to get respect

You have to love someone to get their love

And being respectful and being loving does not mean being a doormat

And being sarcastic and rude can only shut people up it cannot win them over

Remember dice game was one extreme event of her life

She had a life before it and she had a life after it.

Like BR Chopra and his charachterisation of Rupa Ganguli. Please dont color your perspective of her with the dice game

Most probably you think the image of the ideal woman described in this passage is a good one and hence apparently Draupadi fits in this image..

I do not consider this image good in anyway rather trash. And no I do not believe a woman like Draupadi believed in this nonsense. So agreeing to disagree.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Beauty and intelligence never gets any one respect or love

You have to give respect to get respect

You have to love someone to get their love

And being respectful and being loving does not mean being a doormat

And being sarcastic and rude can only shut people up it cannot win them over

Remember dice game was one extreme event of her life

She had a life before it and she had a life after it.

Like BR Chopra and his charachterisation of Rupa Ganguli. Please dont color your perspective of her with the dice game

Exactly. This is what I meant she was not rude to everyone she met. She was compassion and respectful loving and caring. Its just that she was not a pushover either.Nobody could walk all over she wouldn't have it lying down. She was respectful to everyone but knew how to shut people up as and when required

I don't think she was haughty or sarcastic to everyone its only for certain cases which required it

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I don't think she was haughty or sarcastic to everyone its only for certain cases which required it

Yeah she wasn't but here she claims

- Never be rude to your husband

- Treat husband as God

- Don't even wait for nature's call to serve your husbands

- Always keep your husband above you

This is not her, and thank god it isn't her because this is wrong. This whole idea of an ideal woman.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

This conversation is post Dyut Sabha anyway.

Cannot accept someone who staked her and told her to stop the drama when she spoke of her sexual assault loves her. Agreeing to disagree.

Also agreeing to disagree that she fits this trashy patriarchal concept of the ideal wife which is described in this conversation.

And no, in no way does this description do any good to women.

She was not teaching niti katha to Satyabhama rather if you read the lines carefully she was asking her to always put her husbands before her, never be rude, treat them as Gods - basically typical misogynistic Manusmriti conception of a woman.

And no, I do not accept she was a woman of her times. Her time had wrong laws, flawed conception of justice. It was a time when personal vows were more important than what is right. It was a time when men were allowed to abduct, r**e and harrass women as though they were property. She was someone who brought CHANGE with her. If you read conversations of her with other characters, her arguments in Dyut Sabha, her clear sense of justice and reasoning where she explains her political philosophy, it's clear she was anything but a Dwapar Yuga woman who thought it was Dharma to serve husbands as God and sacrifice your own sense and sensibility of justice. Sita can do that, not Draupadi.

Pardon me maybe I m thinking wrong but I feel u consider seeta weaker than draupadi, who I consider stronger than draupadi

How are we going to compare these two beautiful ladies of all times. Sita and drapaudi both of them went through a lot came out stronger. How do we measure who was stronger?? Who suffered more ??

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

1st para is misconception. Panchali didn't mock anyone to remind them of the assault on her. She mocked them because they deserved it at that point.

1) the conversation with Yudhishtira - he blamed it all on destiny, and she gave a discourse on karma and dharma. He in turn called her an atheist for believing in karma. Bheema supported her. Yudhishtira opposed both. then Vyasa came and said exactly what Panchali said, and Yudhishtira agreed.

2) Virat Parva. She went to the king for help with Keechak. Virat refused. Yudhishtira told her to return and ENDURE IT for her husband's sake. She then went to Bheema and said a woman married to Yudhishtira was fated to despair.

3) She mocked Arjuna for being comfortable in his life as Brihannala while she was going through all this.

4) After war, she bluntly called Yudhishtira a lunatic in public and the Pandavas also lunatics for enabling him.

@Bold. Do you have citation?

@Red. The conversation before Satyabhama's apology was sarcasm. Otherwise, she wouldn't have felt the need to apologize. Why would anyone apologize if it were a simple answer? The part after was about how Satyabhama should behave with her husband. Most wives will not like to be told that by their husbands' female friend, especially when that woman is younger.

@Blue. No way. Satyabhama was called by jealous and childish in most Krishna texts. It is not my opinion, it was the authors (Dwaipayana, Suka, or whoever else). She was pretty nasty to Rukmini. Panchali on the other hand, was called knowledgeable, working from dawn to dusk, and intelligent by Vyasa. Satyabhama's arrogance is not the same as Panchali's power. Childish tantrums of Satyabhama to get a tree in place of the flower Rukmini got cannot be equated to the forceful words of a woman prompting the annihilation of a land's elite because they forgot their karma and dharma.

That's what I meant that she mocked them because they deserved it maybe I didn't phrase it properly.

The kunti part like I said in the same given conversation I am unable to post hyperlink because I am a newbie so you check the conversation at sacred texts .com you'll get it.

Maybe the conversation before the apology is sarcasm but the after one is serious and I believe is an advice from one friend to the other

Please do remember that most Krishna texts were written by poets and writers and a lot of additions have been made to it over a period of time and most of them are not authentic. Most of her stories with rukmini has specifically been designed to show her as the villain and to glorify rukmini (whom I also admire a lot) because rukmini was sweet and serene while satyabhama was very strong willed and had a bit of temper and usually people of those times didn't like women who were dominant and never in authentic texts has satyabhama been described as being disrespectful to rukmini infact in the same conversation she tells how rukmini is taking care of panchali's sons. The tree thing is called as ' The parijata incident' and has over a 100 retellings some of which specifically designed to paint satyabhama as arrogant. But in the story when narad gives flower to Krishna and asks him to give to his favourite wife and he gives it to rukmini , satyabhama get enraged and this should rather be seen as a plea of equality and not a sign of arrogance cause after the tree has been planted it is said that the flowers were distributed to all the wives. And satyabhama herself was skilled in warfare and had a lot of suitors waiting on her. If she was childish and arrogant nobody would have wanted to marry her. Satyabhama also took down narakasura a huge demon and watched her husband marry 16000 more women (she was present with Krishna when they went to rescue these women). So it is unfair to call her childish merely based on folklores.

When I said that satyabhama and panchali had similar nature I meant that they were both courageous and strong willed but obviously both of them led very different lives and their personalities did differ.

And I will once again repeat that I love both panchali and satyabhama but it is unfair to judge a woman based on stories that have a high chance of being false.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

How are we going to compare these two beautiful ladies of all times. Sita and drapaudi both of them went through a lot came out stronger. How do we measure who was stronger?? Who suffered more ??

Yes I consider sita stronger coz she denied 2 return , choose 2 return to mother earth ,

For me yudhishthira 2 was draupadi's culprit but still draupadi forgave him , even arjun loosed his cool on Yudi

Thou I question why & how Yudi went swarg after doing this big sin. Yudi claiming draupadi love arjun was his assumption not truth