*edited* Any thoughts from Urdu speakers on Urdu in Bollywood songs? - Page 12

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

Only Sonu Nigam have correct urdu pronounciation in india listen to the kismat as qismat whixh is actual way to pronounce

https://youtu.be/XyRaONru2lY

Thanks!

What about Arijit Singh?

Can you please have a look below?

I think he got the ghain right at 2:15, the Kha perfect in Rukh 3:35 & Khushboo 3:51. But did he get the Qaf at 2:19?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSTpdcs-EI

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

And this coming from a xenophobic bigoted racist. 😆

Do yourself and the TM a favor - get the hell outta here coz you are not helping the TM's cause.

It is a well known fact that anything you support must have a xenophobic propaganda associated with it. So take your unwanted two cents and shove it where the sun dont shine.

Is it from a bullshit artist 😂

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

Sonu Nigam also told about wrong urdu diction in film Veer Zaara film the kuudaa hafiz and fir thing :p

At 2:20

https://youtu.be/Ggethz-e61Y

Beghum instead of Begum is a common mistake. Even the Ikk Kudi song has the same mistake for ghum instead of gum. 😊

Shahid Mallya got it right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyKZXbxx2lc

But Diljit Dosanjh made the exact same mistake as Vidya Balan here (starting from 27 seconds in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbX_nlzv7uU

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

Because the TM wants to discuss it, it is very relevant to BW....and its not a big deal....this is a forum....people discuss a lot of stinking/stupid stuff over here....

.....If you open one about Tamil words....I probably won't even open the thread because I don't know Tamil.

This thread was a much saner thread worth a discussion but as always got misinterpreted ,,,about people trying to put others down when there was no intention anywhere......its just about pronouncing the word wrong and that also by BW people...not even people in general...lol..

Fine. Let TM discuss. I am contributing to the discussion in my own way😉.

I was speaking about subconscious bias we all tend to have. What is harmless expectation from us, might seem as insult to the other. (At least that is how I started out, before TM riled me up by changing the title 😆).

I gave my own example. In regional languages too, two classes exist. Sanskritised one (the elite one) and village one (consider it similar to Sanskritised Hindi v/s Bhojpuri). In our language, backward classes mix up "A" with "Ha". ("High school" would sound like "icecool" in a villager's tongue). Earlier, when actors from that background mixed "A" for "Ha", they were not treated kind. Only those were given respect who had proper diction. So they worked hard to get proper diction and respect (and succeeded too).

While growing up, I did not realise that the language spoken at our home was the elite one. So, we were naturally familiar. Not those. They have to make extra struggle. But now things have changed. These days, lyrics don't use the old elite language anymore. Even in a mythological movie, if the lead actor will pronounce "HariHara" as "AriAra" and pass off. That is the level of political correctness here.

You were suggesting, one can open a thread on diction in other languages. Let me tell you. In south India if one dares to openly speak about such a topic, they will be immediately trashed as Brahminical/casteist etc.

What surprises me here is, how it does not happen with Urdu. Here also people have unconscious bias. I watched Sonu Nigam's interview. (Some one posted here). Both the context Sonu gives (Veer Zara or Begum Jaan) are of Muslim background. One can expect a right diction there. But the examples TM given was of different kind (Jadoo Teri Nazar). Should we expect a college boy Rahul to pronounce Khushboo in Persian way, is my question.

Once I saw Shabana Azmi's interview, what is her dream man or some such thing. Her answer was; someone who can wear Sherwani or Suit, but still looks handsome. Someone who can speak impeccable Urdu as well as fluent English. She completed, someone like Dilip Kumar. People do not realise this subconscious bias. Liberals will not call this out as elitist, as how they condemned the earlier one.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Fine. Let TM discuss. I am contributing to the discussion in my own way😉.

I was speaking about subconscious bias we all tend to have. What is harmless expectation from us, might seem as insult to the other. (At least that is how I started out, before TM riled me up by changing the title 😆).

I gave my own example. In regional languages too, two classes exist. Sanskritised one (the elite one) and village one (consider it similar to Sanskritised Hindi v/s Bhojpuri). In our language, backward classes mix up "A" with "Ha". ("High school" would sound like "icecool" in a villager's tongue). Earlier, when actors from that background mixed "A" for "Ha", they were not treated kind. Only those were given respect who had proper diction. So they worked hard to get proper diction and respect (and succeeded too).

While growing up, I did not realise that the language spoken at our home was the elite one. So, we were naturally familiar. Not those. They have to make extra struggle. But now things have changed. These days, lyrics don't use the old elite language anymore. Even in a mythological movie, if the lead actor will pronounce "HariHara" as "AriAra" and pass off. That is the level of political correctness here.

You were suggesting, one can open a thread on diction in other languages. Let me tell you. In south India if one dares to openly speak about such a topic, they will be immediately trashed as Brahminical/casteist etc.

What surprises me here is, how it does not happen with Urdu. Here also people have unconscious bias. I watched Sonu Nigam's interview. (Some one posted here). Both the context Sonu gives (Veer Zara or Begum Jaan) are of Muslim background. One can expect a right diction there. But the examples TM given was of different kind (Jadoo Teri Nazar). Should we expect a college boy Rahul to pronounce Khushboo in Persian way, is my question.

Once I saw Shabana Azmi's interview, what is her dream man or some such thing. Her answer was; someone who can wear Sherwani or Suit, but still looks handsome. Someone who can speak impeccable Urdu as well as fluent English. She completed, someone like Dilip Kumar. People do not realise this subconscious bias. Liberals will not call this out as elitist, as how they condemned the earlier one.

This topic has sidetracked from its original topic.

Any sort of discussion regarding religion / politics / sensitive issues will not be allowed. If some actor commented on religion/politics/nations, discussion will be allowed but the discussion should be limited to only what the actor commented.