Keechak was Suta

Okay now, I am terribly confused

Keechak was brother of the queen, why is he called a Suta?

Both him and Queen Sudeshna were Sutas.

Suta, AFAIK is a hybrid caste between a Brahmin and a Kshatriya. The cast Kshatriya has many subcastes, Suta was one of them

For eg, today we have the caste "Kayastha" which is a subcaste of Kshatriya. So technically, royalty doesn't determine the caste.

Thank You @FlauntPessimism and @CaptainSpark

Then Arjun's daughter in law was half Suta so the the whole discrimination against Karna is not a thing, is it?

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Suta, AFAIK is a hybrid caste between a Brahmin and a Kshatriya. The cast Kshatriya has many subcastes, Suta was one of them

For eg, today we have the caste "Kayastha" which is a subcaste of Kshatriya. So technically, royalty doesn't determine the caste.

Kayasta isn't a sub caste of Kshatriyas. They are considered to be the fifth Varna.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Kayasta isn't a sub caste of Kshatriyas. They are considered to be the fifth Varna.

Oh so like it's considered lower than the Shudras too? Or something like mid way?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Thank You @FlauntPessimism and @CaptainSpark

Then Arjun's daughter in law was half Suta so the the whole discrimination against Karna is not a thing, is it?

Sutas held important positions everywhere

Suta Ugrashrawa is the one who has narrated Rishi Shaunak and his disciples (and thereby indirectly to us) the complete Mahabharata. He was respected a lot by Rishis when he entered the Ashram, do you really think someone who is respected by Sages could belong to a low or discriminated caste?? In fact not just him any Katha in Poojas start with the statement"Suta ji kehte Hain" so it were always them who propagated the Dharma n rituals through Kathas

They were into royal family. In fact Yadu was himself the son of a Brahmin mom and Kshatriya dad thereby practically the entire Yaduvanshis or Yadavs were Sutas (they were considered slightly below Suryavanshis or Chandravanshis but were never an outcaste). In fact someone here said that most considered to be the most pious Kshtriyas, Suryavanshis themselves were Suta. Not sure about the last point though

Keechak and Sudeshna we already discussed

Sanjay was a minor minister in Dhritrashtra's court

So know Sutas were not discriminated the way the shows portray. They might have been looked upon slightly down by the purer bloods but caste discrimination is definitely the no no

The only reason (if at all) Karna might have faced discrimination was that his father Adhirath was a charioteer/saarthi by profession. Just think of it not many owner's children would be happy with the idea of having their driver's son at par with them

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Sutas held important positions everywhere

Suta Ugrashrawa is the one who has narrated Rishi Shaunak and his disciples (and thereby indirectly to us) the complete Mahabharata. He was respected a lot by Rishis when he entered the Ashram, do you really think someone who is respected by Sages could belong to a low or discriminated caste?? In fact not just him any Katha in Poojas start with the statement"Suta ji kehte Hain" so it were always them who propagated the Dharma n rituals through Kathas

They were into royal family. In fact Yadu was himself the son of a Brahmin mom and Kshatriya dad thereby practically the entire Yaduvanshis or Yadavs were Sutas (they were considered slightly below Suryavanshis or Chandravanshis but were never an outcaste). In fact someone here said that most considered to be the most pious Kshtriyas, Suryavanshis themselves were Suta. Not sure about the last point though

Keechak and Sudeshna we already discussed

Sanjay was a minor minister in Dhritrashtra's court

So know Sutas were not discriminated the way the shows portray. They might have been looked upon slightly down by the purer bloods but caste discrimination is definitely the no no

The only reason (if at all) Karna might have faced discrimination was that his father Adhirath was a charioteer/saarthi by profession. Just think of it not many owner's children would be happy with the idea of having their driver's son at par with them

Thanks

@Bold This makes much more sense

I would like to tell one example from ramayan too. Sumantra too was a charioteer and minister of king dashrath and was very much respected.Now whether his parents were suta or not is not known but there is one thing that most of the sutas were either charioteer or story tellers but I would like to add that karna was insulted it is true but the reason was not caste discrimination but due to his friendship with duryodhan and challenging arjun in the tournament by bhim in whose poisoning he was a part of.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Oh so like it's considered lower than the Shudras too? Or something like mid way?

Mid way. They are above Vaishyas but below Kshatriyas

As the concept of origin, Brahmins originated from the heat of Brahma, Kshtriyas by His arms, Vaishyas by His waist and Shudras by His feet. Once all the four castes had been assigned their duties the world was running, but it was observed that there is no one to do accounting kind of job, hence from His Kaya(or chest) Chitragupta ji came out (the one who accompanies Yamraj) for this duty. Kayasthas are all his descandant, since he had come out of Kaya hence the word Kayastha