Today's Episode and Kshama - Page 6

Originally posted by: sonnet11

And the way she puts forth her point of view, so straight forward and sharp. She is the mouthpiece of all the women in the epic. I am her fan. She has the fire that can burn all the patriarchal mindsets.

Kunti is not given enough credit.

What she lacked was a moneybags father like Drupad at her back and a friend like Krishna by her side.

Panchali was intelligent, shrewd, steel-willed. But I doubt Pandavas would've made her finance minister if not for said support. Also probably the reason behind her being demanded as stake and her being part of 2nd exile contract. Only Yudhishtira and Panchali were cited in that contract. The Kauravas needed her out.

Back to Kunti: her philosophy also comes across very strongly in her conversation with Krishna. Shows reduce it to "tell my sons to do what kshatriyas were born to do," but it is also a few pages long. Plus, KRISHNA cites Kunti as one of the main sources of wisdom.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05132.htm

A few pages long but again, worth the read.

ALSO NOTE: there is a part where she tells Arjuna and Nakula to follow Panchali. Bheema didn't need any telling. Sahdev, I assume, was smart enough. I hate it when shows set women against women, Kunti/Subhadra against Panchali when VYASA didn't do it.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Dharma is patriarchy. Women have no say in it. 😉

This definitely sounds like Yudi's dharma kyunki kshama hi dharma hai.😆 I think he is more of a Kshamaraj.

Yudi really misunderstood the concept of forgiveness. It is about not holding onto grudges but he thought it was about not being accountable to the wrongs committed over the weaker ones by those who have power over them and still thought that he could rule over a kingdom justly.

He really needed lessons on forgiveness and justice from Lord Ram.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

This definitely sounds like Yudi's dharma kyunki kshama hi dharma hai.😆 I think he is more of a Kshamaraj.

Yudi really misunderstood the concept of forgiveness. It is about not holding onto grudges but he thought it was about not being accountable to the wrongs committed over the weaker ones by those who have power over them and still thought that one could rule over a kingdom justly.

He really needed to lessons on forgiveness and justice from Lord Ram.

There is a famous quote in Mahabharata by Draupadi (who was quoting someone else).

Revenge is not always better, but neither is forgiveness. You should know them both so that there is no problem.

I think this sums it up :)

Here is link of raam dhari dinker poem where Lord Krishna telling yudhistar that suyudhan never value his forgiveness

http://kavitakosh.org/kk/शक्ति_और_क्षमा_/_रामधारी_सिंह_"दिनकर"

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Here is link of raam dhari dinker poem where Lord Krishna telling yudhistar that suyudhan never value his forgiveness

http://kavitakosh.org/kk/शक्ति_और_क्षमा_/_रामधारी_सिंह_"दिनकर"

Shakti aur Kshama

I remember studying this poem.

He also has another one named Kurukshetra.😳

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

But how come even this time nobody spoke up? I understand that Agyatvas was important, but speaking up against injustice does not prove your identity. Any normal person in their right mind would have done that.

Speaking up against injustice may not reveal one's identity, but having the courage to do it, knowing full well that Keechak could kill you if you did, would hint at something. Let's say that instead of Yudhisthir, it was some other ordinary man whose wife was kicked in the sabha. Would that man risk the wrath of Keechak? And if he did, wouldn't he risk getting killed? That is what Kanka risked: either he'd have been battered to pulp by Keechak, not helping Sairandhree in the process, or Virata or the others would have suspected that this was no ordinary mantri, and would have started investigating. Given the number of days left, they may well have stumbled upon the truth.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

13+12 years of Arjun exile if we consider Arjun went to exile just after marriage or soon enough. And people say Panchali is impatient and impulsive 🤣

How is arjuna s exile even valid to this. Drapaudi was married to yudhishtra for much longer period than either of his or their exiles so what is the connection??

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Panchali's character is not well explored imo. Most scholars reduce her to a catalyst that caused war or an impulsive heroine. These parts of the epic must be put into view to see her political philosophical and societal POV.

Exactly that s why Aryavarth chronicles is my favourite book on mb Krishna udayshnakar has done a brilliant job at potraying krishnaa.

Otherwise in books like yajseni, POI or even Arjun without a doubt she has been reduced to mooning fool or blood thirsty beast

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Kunti is not given enough credit.

What she lacked was a moneybags father like Drupad at her back and a friend like Krishna by her side.

Panchali was intelligent, shrewd, steel-willed. But I doubt Pandavas would've made her finance minister if not for said support. Also probably the reason behind her being demanded as stake and her being part of 2nd exile contract. Only Yudhishtira and Panchali were cited in that contract. The Kauravas needed her out.

Back to Kunti: her philosophy also comes across very strongly in her conversation with Krishna. Shows reduce it to "tell my sons to do what kshatriyas were born to do," but it is also a few pages long. Plus, KRISHNA cites Kunti as one of the main sources of wisdom.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05132.htm

A few pages long but again, worth the read.

ALSO NOTE: there is a part where she tells Arjuna and Nakula to follow Panchali. Bheema didn't need any telling. Sahdev, I assume, was smart enough. I hate it when shows set women against women, Kunti/Subhadra against Panchali when VYASA didn't do it.

I love this woman trio. I remember reading somewhere that men often mistake that they make their own decision when they do not it's the woman who makes it for them while men are just left to think that they are taking their own decisions. Seems correct for the above scenario first kunti and then drapaudi 😆

Kanka/Yudhishtira doesn't simply ask Sairandhri/Panchali to stop protesting in court. He specifically instructs her to PUT UP with it.

The objection is not to his inaction; it is to his loathsome instruction to his wife to let herself be assaulted to save HIS skin. He actually instructs her to return to Sudeshna's apartments.

If he simply said something along the lines of stop playacting and if you're so worried, go seek this husband you're talking about, it could be taken as a measure to ward off discovery AND protect her from the assaulter.

That's not Yudhishtira did. There's nothing about his words in the scene which can be misconstrued as anything but sacrificing her to save himself.