Your thoughts on... Karn? - Page 6

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Obviously, We weren't there.

Why would Karna think that Yudhishtira would give him his Throne? There's no legitimate reason for it or he was just bluffing 🤔

Wishful thinking, probably. Yudhishtira actually goes to Bheeshma after Karna's parentage becomes known, seeking reassurance it wouldn't have happened.

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

Arjun did not defeat him in every face off. I don't support Karna's calling drau unchaste, it would be foolish. Karna only broke Abhimanyu bow in a fair fight... It was Drona's idea to catch abhi

Can you please narrate where Karna won against Arjun? I haven't read any instances so far

The rule was that one warrior will fight against one warrior, there's no fair fight in multiple people attacking one warrior

Again, What was the reason for Karna's enmity towards Arjun? It was Karna who was a party to cowardly act of burning Pandavas, why a warrior who can show his valour on battle field would stoop to rigged dice game and many other questionable things?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Wishful thinking, probably. Yudhishtira actually goes to Bheeshma after Karna's parentage becomes known, seeking reassurance it wouldn't have happened.

IKR

It would have been possible if Karna was Pandu's Son

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Why would Yudhishtira give up his Throne for Karna? Karna wasn't Pandu's son and Yudhishtira did not get the Throne for being Kunti's son

Actually my point was that had it been possible that karna can inherit everything and that krishna really did wanted to give everything to him he would have revealed his identity to the two real contender of the throne - duryodhan and yudhishtra but that was not the case karna was never formally adopted by pandu and Krishna never really wanted to offer him anything all Krishna did was use karna s self centered nature against planting all those "what ifs" in his mind

This offer is often brought to justify karna s claim on throne so that s why.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Can you please narrate where Karna won against Arjun? I haven't read any instances so far

The rule was that one warrior will fight against one warrior, there's no fair fight in multiple people attacking one warrior

Again, What was the reason for Karna's enmity towards Arjun? It was Karna who was a party to cowardly act of burning Pandavas, why a warrior who can show his valour on battle field would stoop to rigged dice game and many other questionable things?

Karna was always jealous of arjuna right from childhood and that is a fact all he did was because of his own bitter nature. Not only arjun but probably all the pandavas. Plus both bheem and arjun were better than him Arjun has defeated him multiple times and so has bheem during is imperial campaign

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Actually my point was that had it been possible that karna can inherit everything and that krishna really did wanted to give everything to him he would have revealed his identity to the two real contender of the throne - duryodhan and yudhishtra but that was not the case karna was never formally adopted by pandu and Krishna never really wanted to offer him anything all Krishna did was use karna s self centered nature against planting all those "what ifs" in his mind

This offer is often brought to justify karna s claim on throne so that s why.

Yes, Karna must have known that its not possible for him to be the King. The way Krushna spoke to him in his last time, the way he reminded him of every wrong thing he did in his life, says that Krushna wasn't going to forgive him for it

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Karna was always jealous of arjuna right from childhood and that is a fact all he did was because of his own bitter nature. Not only arjun but probably all the pandavas. Plus both bheem and arjun were better than him Arjun has defeated him multiple times and so has bheem during is imperial campaign

Draupadi ke papa defeated Karna too 😏 I read somewhere that he was able to pierce Karna's Kavach

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Draupadi ke papa defeated Karna too 😏 I read somewhere that he was able to pierce Karna's Kavach

Yes Drapaud defeated him too. The so called shresht warrior karna 😆

He is my favourite character in Mahabharata.😳❤️

Reasons:

1. I proudly say that his story is the most compelling to me.

As someone in the thread pointed out before, he has the underdog story and climbing from rags to riches aspect. I have no shame to proclaim that I come under that apparent "general" audience who like these kind of stories and such inspiring characters.

2. His choices before the war when his resolve was tested prove him to be one of the very few characters who did not want riches or materialistic pleasures and only wanted respect.

The concept of "Dharma" and "Adharma" came later. At that time, the war was for a throne and a kingdom. Period. No one can say that the fighting parties did not wish to gain anything. Karna was an exception. He was fighting for respect.

3. The "trade" - a very poor one, I might add. As by giving away his immortality/invincibility, he gained a one-time use weapon. Not a fair trade at all in my opinion. So yeah, he "donated" away his Kavach in charity.

4. His loyalty to Duryodhana -

He willingly chose a losing side to fight, knowing it would cause certain death.

He chose to stand by Duryodhana despite knowing that the Pandavas are his blood brothers and he would be expected to kill them in battle. So, yes, he was a very good friend to Duryodhana

5. His stance on Dharma

Yes, he betrayed Duryodhana to a large extent by promising to spare four of the Pandavas. These four however includes Yudhisthir, the one whose killing would be most beneficial to the Kauravas. Hence, by chosing to spare Yudhisthir, he CHOSE Dharma to win.

6. He WAS discriminated on basis of caste/low birth.

If he was a student of Drona in the Gurukul ( which I highly doubt - yes I know it is mentioned in KMG), then Drona not providing him knowledge of Divyastras IS discrimination to me.

It is equal to someone not getting a college degree because of reservation.

During Draupadi Swayamvar, I do not fault Draupadi at all for rejecting him. Of course, it was her marriage and she had complete right to choose her suitor. However, why did she think that marrying a suitor of low birth would be detrimental to her status in society? Because birth did matter. So yes, it WAS discrimination because of existing social rules.

7. Just want to comment on the misogyny - do we think women enjoyed a high position in society generally?

The queen of Indraprastha was staked by her own husband in a game of dice, so what can we expect of the society?

Even though many people have many different perceptions on this offer, but Vyas mentions Lord Krishna did offer Draupadi as a wife to Karna even after everything had happened. Does not paint a pretty picture of the position of women in society.

Sex trafficking etc. - I have never heard and Vyas does tend to go to exaggerations a lot .

Lastly, I didn't comment on his archery skills as it is well established he was a formidable warrior, whether he was the best or not. And his death was by unfair means, everyone agrees on that.

Those are my thoughts on Karna. 😳

Originally posted by: AnkitaPurka66

He is my favourite character in Mahabharata.😳❤️

Reasons:

1. I proudly say that his story is the most compelling to me.

As someone in the thread pointed out before, he has the underdog story and climbing from rags to riches aspect. I have no shame to proclaim that I come under that apparent "general" audience who like these kind of stories and such inspiring characters.

2. His choices before the war when his resolve was tested prove him to be one of the very few characters who did not want riches or materialistic pleasures and only wanted respect.

The concept of "Dharma" and "Adharma" came later. At that time, the war was for a throne and a kingdom. Period. No one can say that the fighting parties did not wish to gain anything. Karna was an exception. He was fighting for respect.

3. The "trade" - a very poor one, I might add. As by giving away his immortality/invincibility, he gained a one-time use weapon. Not a fair trade at all in my opinion. So yeah, he "donated" away his Kavach in charity.

4. His loyalty to Duryodhana -

He willingly chose a losing side to fight, knowing it would cause certain death.

He chose to stand by Duryodhana despite knowing that the Pandavas are his blood brothers and he would be expected to kill them in battle. So, yes, he was a very good friend to Duryodhana

5. His stance on Dharma

Yes, he betrayed Duryodhana to a large extent by promising to spare four of the Pandavas. These four however includes Yudhisthir, the one whose killing would be most beneficial to the Kauravas. Hence, by chosing to spare Yudhisthir, he CHOSE Dharma to win.

6. He WAS discriminated on basis of caste/low birth.

If he was a student of Drona in the Gurukul ( which I highly doubt - yes I know it is mentioned in KMG), then Drona not providing him knowledge of Divyastras IS discrimination to me.

It is equal to someone not getting a college degree because of reservation.

During Draupadi Swayamvar, I do not fault Draupadi at all for rejecting him. Of course, it was her marriage and she had complete right to choose her suitor. However, why did she think that marrying a suitor of low birth would be detrimental to her status in society? Because birth did matter. So yes, it WAS discrimination because of existing social rules.

7. Just want to comment on the misogyny - do we think women enjoyed a high position in society generally?

The queen of Indraprastha was staked by her own husband in a game of dice, so what can we expect of the society?

Even though many people have many different perceptions on this offer, but Vyas mentions Lord Krishna did offer Draupadi as a wife to Karna even after everything had happened. Does not paint a pretty picture of the position of women in society.

Sex trafficking etc. - I have never heard and Vyas does tend to go to exaggerations a lot .

Lastly, I didn't comment on his archery skills as it is well established he was a formidable warrior, whether he was the best or not. And his death was by unfair means, everyone agrees on that.

Those are my thoughts on Karna. 😳

That offer was plot a manipulation GOT IT ??? Krishna had no right on drapaudi to offer anyone she was not a thing she was human and she was his best friend and people like you who bring this so called "offer" forget that he promised drapaudi twice that he will make sure karna is dead so yeah i would rather believe that. Plus the lord himself says that its ok to lie to enemy and karna was an enemy who he wanted dead. Fair and simple

And not only the empress but the emperor himself along with his brother the four valiant warriors were staked in that game of dice

And drapaudi held pretty good position in Aryavarth politics thank you very much.