Ep 51: Ek aurat hi aurat ka dard samajh sakti hai!

I don't know what am I supposed to do about these lines. Should I laugh at the irony of these words coming out of Antara's mouth, or should I cry about the sad state of women, because of women? You know, we blame men for wrecking a girl's life, but actually it's the women who do it. Its like hum logo ne suffer kiya hai to baaki sab bhi kare, woh kyun bachi rahe. Ye kaisa thought process hai, bhai? In fact, women ke empowerment me majority kaam mardo ne kiya hai, than women - be it Raja Rammohan Roy, be it Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar, be it Swami Vivekanand. It is good men who have empowered women once upon a time, rather than women, who have rather encouraged women to stay in a rotten hell hole than give them wings to fly. Sad but true. Anyway, coming to the episode, today was the first time that I had to skip episodes, because I could not watch this continuous torture and hopefully, it ends tomorrow, but have seen the main parts and today I have seen the Mahabharat in play, with many characters playing more than one roles.

Mrityunjay - Dhritarashtra/Duryodhan/Dushasan/Shakuni: This man is doing multiple roleplay in this Mahabharat. He is the blind king blind in power. He is the jealous prince who could not take 'no' for an answer, he is the obedient brother who disrobed Manvi before the world at large to see and he is the mastermind that craftily and deviously manipulated every character in his clique to bring about the downfall of Manvi Singh. He is all the worst characters of Mahabharat rolled into one.

Manvi/Maya - Draupadi/Abhimanyu/Shakuni/Krishna: Manvi was the Draupadi who dared to voice out her 'no' before a powerful man, she was the one to rebel against the injustice meted out to her, she was the one who did not want to accept injustice blindly. She is the Abhimanyu who fell victim to the Chakravyuh of the Roy clique. She is the Shakuni who will manipulate each one of them to bring about their downfall. She is the Krishna who knows that her love for Rudra and Rudra's love for her will be the strength to bring down this family, without allowing her darkness to swallow him whole. She is the one who knows that for dharma to be established, sacrifices in war are necessary and each of them will be brought down by "chhal" because that is dharm.

Rudra - Arjun/Krishna: Rudra is and will always be the Arjun. His dilemma of supporting his wife against his whole family will decide the direction of this war. His love for his mother and brother versus his love for his wife will be a major turning point just as much as Maya choosing her love for Rudra over her hate for his family. Maya chose his love which is the light in her dark life, so she has blended light and dark together. Next, Rudra has to decide whether he will stick with his own light or will he choose the darkness of Maya, which she wants to keep him away from. Maya does not want to burn Rudra in her hellfire which she wants to pour down on the Roy family, but is that possible? No. Rudra will have to decide what and whom he wants to choose when he knows everything, he has to choose to walk through the darkness of Maya to create light and purge the world of this vicious cycle triggered by his father. He is the Krishna in the sense, he understands the language of love and light, he is not the guiding force, but he is the force of light and love which will always block Maya from her darkness.

Coming to whether Rudra is Mrityunjay and Antara's son or not? There is a possibility. See Arjun was the nephew but he was also Kuruvanshi. Pandu gave up his thrown because of a curse and left for the forest, and handed over the kingdom to Dhritarashtra. In modern times, it is impossible to happen that way and it is not necessary that the same will happen here, but I don't know why I feel that Mrityunjay did not make the Roy empire out of hard work. He must have done it by deceit and trickery. It could be he was an employee who rose up the ranks very quickly and caught Antara's fancy and attention. There is a chance that Antara and Mrityunjay had an affair and killed off the real dad and Mrityunjay became the master of the empire and rechristened it as the Roy empire. And then Mrityunjay made a puppet out of Antara. But probably he spared Rudra because he loved him like a son. Both are such disgusting characters, I don't find it impossible. Also, as Tanu pointed out in a post, Rudra could also be Bhakt Prahlad to Mrityunjay's Hiranyakashyap.

Aamir - Karna: The way he is always at the beck and call of Mrityunjay, the only other character that comes to mind seeing him is Karna. Karna owed Duryodhan his life for making him Angaraj from sootputra. Similarly, Aamir owes Mrityunjay his life. He would kill and die for the man, such is his loyalty. So would love to know what is his history and reasons for his loyalty to Mrityunjay.

Antara - Gandhari: Just like Gandhari deliberately was blind to Dhritarashtra's ill-behavior and Shakuni's machinations, Antara is the same too. Uski koi aankhen khol nahi sakta, kyunki uski aankhen khuli huyi hai. Mrs. Mrityunjay Roy bane rehne ka khumaar itna hai ki baaki kisiki life matter hi nahi karti uske saamne. Mrityunjay can womanize, he can sleep around, he can have kept in his house, it does not matter. Antara jab tak Mrs. Roy hai, woh khush hai. Pathetic is a lame excuse, she is worse than the gutter ka keeda.

Diya - Sugdha/Sauvali??: So I ain't too sure about this, but the way Diya chipki huyi rehti hai na Antara se, she looks nothing more than a hand-maiden or lady in waiting. She was the one to give birth to the righteous warrior Yuyutsu, who in spite of being from Dhritarashtra's side chose to side with dharma. So let's see if Mrityunjay and Diya had any such child. Was it Rishi, who died? Or was it Rajiv, who chose to side with Maya. No clue.

Rajiv - Yuyutsu??: As mentioned above, but not sure if it is possible.

Rishi - Abhimanyu??: I can't see any other character he could have played, because we did not get to see, how he would have become, like his father or like his brother.

Senior Mrs. Roy - Bhishma: She is the Bhishma gals. Saw everything and heard everything, but said nothing. Let's see if she played any role in saving Manvi or not.

Well the rest, I haven't really found characters for Sudhir, Jogi, and Ananya. But let's see, the more the story unfolds, the more we get to know. We know Maya's side of the story now more or less, but we need to see the villain's history as well. How they became what they are today. Let's see if we get to know at all.

Well, that's all from me tonight. Please share your thoughts.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Libran yes irony of that statement. You know if u try to touch a puppy the mother dog will pounce on u. If u even go near a cub the lioness or tigress will kill u. But the woman who is a human who is bestowed with intelligence support in killing the life within her. Female foeticide and female infanticide is not possible without a woman's help and indirect support that even suppresses the odd voices that raises against it. It shows the centuries-old brainwashing that has happened on a woman. Where the society has worshipped Ram and Krishna but have practiced manusmriti. Satyanarayan ki pooja hoti hai but not listening to his vachan. We love Manu na sthree swantrayam arhati. When I argue abt this many say manu has said Yatra naryasthu poojente ramante thatra devta. I say it's the most hypocrite book. What use is the worship if u don't hav freedom what use is the worship if it happens only till man's wants are satisfied.if ur intellect is not accepted and ur choice is not respected and ur not given basic human dignity. No wonder swami vivekananda talked abt education to women encourage them to read mythology so that they can choose. Not spend their time on faltu fictions that uses them as material. Yes mythology is treasure trove of knowledge.it helps u to differentiate a shiva and mahisasur. It helps u to spot Narayan and manu. It makes u appreciate Sita chastity, Draupadi fierceness, Savitri intelligence, Durga war techniques, Damayanti observation skills, and analytical mind. Each of mytho leading lady and leading men are more humans than Gods. They are grey just like us humans. Yes our younger generation needs to be exposed to that literature so that knowledge protects them from mj like predators. We don't need Padmavati who jumps and commits sati, we need Jhansi ki rani's who can fight and die valiantly and inspire millions to fight. So coming back to episode yes we saw manvi in chakravyuh fighting valiantly and she becoming a threat to mj empire and the vyuha closing ard her. Rudra like arjun can be kuruvanshi but not kuru blood.or rather not mj blood. That would be a real twist. Arjun was born to kunti and Lord indra.infact the whole Pandavas were not kurublood as pandu was cursed. This also played a part in ppl choosing sides as they supported kuru blood. He can be Arjuna and Krishna the same with Maya she too can be arjuna Krishna. But the fact is war has started and its gonna be bloody.

@Shruthiravi, itna mythology ke baare me janti ho na tum, ki complex hone lagta hai😆. Just kidding. I agree with all the points you made. Honestly, jitna women ko suffer karna padta hai, utna hi mardo ko sunna padta hai. Especially un mardo ko jo kuch acha karna chahte hai for women, men who give them the dignity of a human and respect them.

@bold: Exactly, Arjun was a Devputra, begotten by Kunti after praying to Indra, due to a boon she received from Rishi Durvasa. In fact, all the Pandavas were Dev Putras, and Rudra is all five rolled into one. So there are high chances that Rudra is not Mrityunjay's son. Antara can be the mother, but Mrityunjay, not necessarily the father. Because Rishi has a lot of similarities with his father, but Rudra has none. The kind of ethics and steadfast principles he has living in an environment predisposed to devilry is not possible to have really. And he is the only one there, because of his goodness has been dimmed and emotional blackmail has just stuck him this rut. With Maya, there is more freedom in Rudra to pursue the light of his persona. So I may be wrong about Rudra not being a son, but the possibility is definitely there. If you watched Ek Hasina Thi, Dev was Rajnath's nephew and Arnab's son. Rajnath killed Arnab and brought everything under his finger and kept Dev and his mom in darkness and created situations where Dev drifted away from his family business. With Durga coming into the house, he realized his folly and took over the Goenka company which rightfully belonged to him. So Rudra has drifted away from his family business to create his own name, and Mrityunjay very slyly with emotional blackmail made Rudra bring it under his control. Its like Kauravon ne Pandavon se Indraprastha cheen liya, woh bhi dyutsabha ke bina.

I did not watch any of the flashback scenes because i would not be able to stomach it. The forum discussions already gave me an idea on how it all went down.

I thought Antara did not support Manvi because of her doormat status and love for MJ. It turns out, Antara was worse than her deplorable husband. she enjoys the title of Mrs. Roy so she buried an innocent manvi who only begged for justice and mercy. she chose materialism over humanity, I do not have enough words to describe my disgust and heartbreak. Only thing Manvi ever wanted was justice, not for herself but for her unborn child. Antara being a mother of two, could not understand the desperation of another mother. The abuse, the torture, the humiliation was so hard to watch. even more disgusting is how all these perpetrators continued to live their lives as if nothing happened.

Even a slow painful death isn't a good enough, nothing will be but I hope they suffer.

PS: who is bhakt prahlad and hiranyakashyap?

This fact of women being a woman's worst enemy is an old concept which never dies.. here the problem is women around MJ are their own enemy and not another woman's..

Remember MJs mom who once said that being u is not wrong but what u have become is wrong.. his mother decided to drown herself in alcohol to keep her vision blurred than witness what is happening.. how I wish her character was retained.. but how has he become what he did.. power made him so.. the power of money and the power of blind support..

Antara who for me a extremely insecure woman and for whom only being in the title mattered.. Rudra once told her that she is Antara first and then her other roles comes in life..her own son showed her the mirror of her life but she had and has chosen to stick to the fancy title over self respect.. and when ppl cant respect themselves then they dont even respect others.. her blindness led to empowering MJ and her karma has already brought her to the brink.. she has destroyed herself already and she is a nick away from her own end..

Diya who has equally fed MJs ego all her life being put in a relationship with no title but she gets what antara doesnt get even being in the title..

When women closest in ur life put up and nurture ur wrong deeds, it's always someone outside of this equation who suffers..

In MJs life it was not all, he has his main men who nurtured his ego as well..

Manvi was the fish today.. remember when Maya rudra spoke about fish story.. Maya mentioned that the fight of the fish is only as long as it lives.. that was what MJ thinks..once the fish is dead the fight is over.he perceives it to be a small useless fight... but Rudra showed her the positive side that day, that even being a small fish and being in the net, the fish has a big fight..it has a never give up attitude and will fight till the end..its a strength of the fish not its weakness.. and that's exactly what manvi was.. her strength is what rose her back..

Coming to the war.. the stands of all the ppl here is clear and set already.. whose on whose side, what are their strengths weaknesses... except Rudra whose side will change the game..

Rudra has his mind right.. his past had a reason to be played.. his father proved a point to him about his gf.. but what Rudra saw was the ugly side of his dad rather than his gf.. that's where his morality lies.. when his mom misbehaved drugged and MJ announced that to public.. he knew his mom drugged but putting down ur wife in public was not what he accepted.. his morals will choose his side.. and with all the build up so far and the wedding promises, its sure that he ends up with Maya only.. but then how does he fight for her? Become like her or will he change the course to something meaningful rather than bloody is to see..

And at the moment I am sure he can sense that his family isn't happy with his marriage decision or does he not ? Or is he trying hard to see the good which in little course of time will be clearer to him that his family is not accepting of his relationship.. guess once the fb is over the real war begins..

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I did not watch any of the flashback scenes because i would not be able to stomach it. The forum discussions already gave me an idea on how it all went down.

I thought Antara did not support Manvi because of her doormat status and love for MJ. It turns out, Antara was worse than her deplorable husband. she enjoys the title of Mrs. Roy so she buried an innocent manvi who only begged for justice and mercy. she chose materialism over humanity, I do not have enough words to describe my disgust and heartbreak. Only thing Manvi ever wanted was justice, not for herself but for her unborn child. Antara being a mother of two, could not understand the desperation of another mother. The abuse, the torture, the humiliation was so hard to watch. even more disgusting is how all these perpetrators continued to live their lives as if nothing happened.

Even a slow painful death isn't a good enough, nothing will be but I hope they suffer.

PS: who is bhakt prahlad and hiranyakashyap?

Honestly, the scenes were so icky, that I didn't have a choice but to skip those scenes. Its outrageous and insulting and no wonder Maya is mad, like fuming mad. And then these people move on as if nothing happened. How? Anyway, all the tortures of hell will fall short for these people.

@bold: Prahlāda was an ardent devotee of Vishnu. His father Hiranyakashipu didn't like his inclination to Vishnu. Despite several warnings from his father, Prahlāda continued to worship Vishnu. His father then decided to kill him and so he poisoned Prahlāda, but he survived. He then trampled the boy with elephants, but he survived. Prahalada was then thrown from a valley into a river but was saved by Lord Vishnu. Holika, the sister of Hiranyakashipu, was blessed by Shakti that she could not be hurt by fire. Hiranyakashipu put Prahlāda on the lap of Holika as she sat on a pyre. Prahlāda prayed to Vishnu to keep him safe. So instead of Prahlada, Holika is burned to death. This event is celebrated as Holi. Then Hiranyakashipu tells him to show him where Narayan is, is he present in the stone pillar and he cracks open that pillar. Narasiṁha, Lord Vishnu in the form of a half-man - half-lion, emerges from that stone pillar, who places the king on his thighs, and kills him with his sharp nails. Hiranyakashipu had done penance and attained a boon which made him virtually unkillable. And Narasimha was the loophole to that boon, so Narasimha saved Prahalada. So that kind of applies in the context of Rudra and Mrityunjay.

Originally posted by: libran90

I don't know what am I supposed to do about these lines. Should I laugh at the irony of these words coming out of Antara's mouth, or should I cry about the sad state of women, because of women? You know, we blame men for wrecking a girl's life, but actually it's the women who do it. Its like hum logo ne suffer kiya hai to baaki sab bhi kare, woh kyun bachi rahe. Ye kaisa thought process hai, bhai? In fact, women ke empowerment me majority kaam mardo ne kiya hai, than women - be it Raja Rammohan Roy, be it Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar, be it Swami Vivekanand. It is good men who have empowered women once upon a time, rather than women, who have rather encouraged women to stay in a rotten hell hole than give them wings to fly. Sad but true. Anyway, coming to the episode, today was the first time that I had to skip episodes, because I could not watch this continuous torture and hopefully, it ends tomorrow, but have seen the main parts and today I have seen the Mahabharat in play, with many characters playing more than one roles.

Mrityunjay - Dhritarashtra/Duryodhan/Dushasan/Shakuni: This man is doing multiple roleplay in this Mahabharat. He is the blind king blind in power. He is the jealous prince who could not take 'no' for an answer, he is the obedient brother who disrobed Manvi before the world at large to see and he is the mastermind that craftily and deviously manipulated every character in his clique to bring about the downfall of Manvi Singh. He is all the worst characters of Mahabharat rolled into one.

Manvi/Maya - Draupadi/Abhimanyu/Shakuni/Krishna: Manvi was the Draupadi who dared to voice out her 'no' before a powerful man, she was the one to rebel against the injustice meted out to her, she was the one who did not want to accept injustice blindly. She is the Abhimanyu who fell victim to the Chakravyuh of the Roy clique. She is the Shakuni who will manipulate each one of them to bring about their downfall. She is the Krishna who knows that her love for Rudra and Rudra's love for her will be the strength to bring down this family, without allowing her darkness to swallow him whole. She is the one who knows that for dharma to be established, sacrifices in war are necessary and each of them will be brought down by "chhal" because that is dharm.

Rudra - Arjun/Krishna: Rudra is and will always be the Arjun. His dilemma of supporting his wife against his whole family will decide the direction of this war. His love for his mother and brother versus his love for his wife will be a major turning point just as much as Maya choosing her love for Rudra over her hate for his family. Maya chose his love which is the light in her dark life, so she has blended light and dark together. Next, Rudra has to decide whether he will stick with his own light or will he choose the darkness of Maya, which she wants to keep him away from. Maya does not want to burn Rudra in her hellfire which she wants to pour down on the Roy family, but is that possible? No. Rudra will have to decide what and whom he wants to choose when he knows everything, he has to choose to walk through the darkness of Maya to create light and purge the world of this vicious cycle triggered by his father. He is the Krishna in the sense, he understands the language of love and light, he is not the guiding force, but he is the force of light and love which will always block Maya from her darkness.

Coming to whether Rudra is Mrityunjay and Antara's son or not? There is a possibility. See Arjun was the nephew but he was also Kuruvanshi. Pandu gave up his thrown because of a curse and left for the forest, and handed over the kingdom to Dhritarashtra. In modern times, it is impossible to happen that way and it is not necessary that the same will happen here, but I don't know why I feel that Mrityunjay did not make the Roy empire out of hard work. He must have done it by deceit and trickery. It could be he was an employee who rose up the ranks very quickly and caught Antara's fancy and attention. There is a chance that Antara and Mrityunjay had an affair and killed off the real dad and Mrityunjay became the master of the empire and rechristened it as the Roy empire. And then Mrityunjay made a puppet out of Antara. But probably he spared Rudra because he loved him like a son. Both are such disgusting characters, I don't find it impossible. Also, as Tanu pointed out in a post, Rudra could also be Bhakt Prahlad to Mrityunjay's Hiranyakashyap.

Aamir - Karna: The way he is always at the beck and call of Mrityunjay, the only other character that comes to mind seeing him is Karna. Karna owed Duryodhan his life for making him Angaraj from sootputra. Similarly, Aamir owes Mrityunjay his life. He would kill and die for the man, such is his loyalty. So would love to know what is his history and reasons for his loyalty to Mrityunjay.

Antara - Gandhari: Just like Gandhari deliberately was blind to Dhritarashtra's ill-behavior and Shakuni's machinations, Antara is the same too. Uski koi aankhen khol nahi sakta, kyunki uski aankhen khuli huyi hai. Mrs. Mrityunjay Roy bane rehne ka khumaar itna hai ki baaki kisiki life matter hi nahi karti uske saamne. Mrityunjay can womanize, he can sleep around, he can have kept in his house, it does not matter. Antara jab tak Mrs. Roy hai, woh khush hai. Pathetic is a lame excuse, she is worse than the gutter ka keeda.

Diya - Sugdha/Sauvali??: So I ain't too sure about this, but the way Diya chipki huyi rehti hai na Antara se, she looks nothing more than a hand-maiden or lady in waiting. She was the one to give birth to the righteous warrior Yuyutsu, who in spite of being from Dhritarashtra's side chose to side with dharma. So let's see if Mrityunjay and Diya had any such child. Was it Rishi, who died? Or was it Rajiv, who chose to side with Maya. No clue.

Rajiv - Yuyutsu??: As mentioned above, but not sure if it is possible.

Rishi - Abhimanyu??: I can't see any other character he could have played, because we did not get to see, how he would have become, like his father or like his brother.

Senior Mrs. Roy - Bhishma: She is the Bhishma gals. Saw everything and heard everything, but said nothing. Let's see if she played any role in saving Manvi or not.

Well the rest, I haven't really found characters for Sudhir, Jogi, and Ananya. But let's see, the more the story unfolds, the more we get to know. We know Maya's side of the story now more or less, but we need to see the villain's history as well. How they became what they are today. Let's see if we get to know at all.

Well, that's all from me tonight. Please share your thoughts.

Thought provoking analysis as usual! Women are their own biggest enemies...this could not be more true. You know during the #metoo movement they found out in a survey that women were the harshest in judging, criticising & demeaning the women coming out with their stories. It is a sad commentary on human psychology. Historically women have always been oppressed by men & have had to fight for their basic rights & needs. The most successful way to get what they want from men has been to a large extent through sexual manipulation cause that is the biggest weakness of men. So women feel threatened by any woman who comes across as liberated, confident, outgoing. It’s virtually like treating this whole game like survival of the fittest...and resenting, judging, having a holier than thou attitude (thoughts like I would never stoop to that level) towards other women...they call it twisted sisterhood. And that is one of the main reasons women have not been able to break this cycle of oppression because you never get support from your ilk. If only women could see the power of joint sisterhood and where it will take them. Two of my favourite scenes in Hindi cinema in this regard are from Mirch Masala (even there initially some of the women are ready to hand over Smita Patil’s character to the lusting Cop saying why should we all suffer for her) and Mrityudand women the women come together in true kali style to annihilate the evil male antagonist. It gives me goosebumps everyone I watch it.

As for BH2...the battle field is laid out, everyone’s roles are defined, Krishna & Arjun have to play their game now to restore dharma. I feel Maya will be the master manipulator, Krishna using chal, buddhi, half truths to bring the kurus down. And Rudra, the Arjun will fight with a fierceness born out of the realisation of truth. I really want them to bring back Dadi (I was also thinking she is the Bhishma pitamah of this war)...the one who realised & truly regrets his part in this but is bound to the throne (family welfare here). Bring it on 😊

Originally posted by: libran90

I don't know what am I supposed to do about these lines. Should I laugh at the irony of these words coming out of Antara's mouth, or should I cry about the sad state of women, because of women? You know, we blame men for wrecking a girl's life, but actually it's the women who do it. Its like hum logo ne suffer kiya hai to baaki sab bhi kare, woh kyun bachi rahe. Ye kaisa thought process hai, bhai? In fact, women ke empowerment me majority kaam mardo ne kiya hai, than women - be it Raja Rammohan Roy, be it Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar, be it Swami Vivekanand. It is good men who have empowered women once upon a time, rather than women, who have rather encouraged women to stay in a rotten hell hole than give them wings to fly. Sad but true. Anyway, coming to the episode, today was the first time that I had to skip episodes, because I could not watch this continuous torture and hopefully, it ends tomorrow, but have seen the main parts and today I have seen the Mahabharat in play, with many characters playing more than one roles.

Women empowerment has been on the tables since we were born but talking about it is different than actual implementation. In fact, I feel males tend to be more open to women empowerment then female itself. Women tend to be far worse enemies to other women compared to men..

Coming to whether Rudra is Mrityunjay and Antara's son or not? There is a possibility. See Arjun was the nephew but he was also Kuruvanshi. Pandu gave up his thrown because of a curse and left for the forest, and handed over the kingdom to Dhritarashtra. In modern times, it is impossible to happen that way and it is not necessary that the same will happen here, but I don't know why I feel that Mrityunjay did not make the Roy empire out of hard work. He must have done it by deceit and trickery. It could be he was an employee who rose up the ranks very quickly and caught Antara's fancy and attention. There is a chance that Antara and Mrityunjay had an affair and killed off the real dad and Mrityunjay became the master of the empire and rechristened it as the Roy empire. And then Mrityunjay made a puppet out of Antara. But probably he spared Rudra because he loved him like a son. Both are such disgusting characters, I don't find it impossible. Also, as Tanu pointed out in a post, Rudra could also be Bhakt Prahlad to Mrityunjay's Hiranyakashyap.

You are pointing towards something that would need some thought... The make of Rudra is, it's very opposite to Antara and MJ. There is every chance Rudra is from another branch of the family. What are the chances that Rudra is the son of MJ's brother? The whole empire is under Rudra's name...so the Roy khandan need Rudra to be on their side.. MJ not earning his empire thru legal means, I guess with MJ's nature easy money is what he craves for; money, power without hardwork. But to gain all these he needs an army of supporters...I guess this is where the whole of Roy khandan minus the sons, the friends and Amir come in...

Aamir - Karna: The way he is always at the beck and call of Mrityunjay, the only other character that comes to mind seeing him is Karna. Karna owed Duryodhan his life for making him Angaraj from sootputra. Similarly, Aamir owes Mrityunjay his life. He would kill and die for the man, such is his loyalty. So would love to know what is his history and reasons for his loyalty to Mrityunjay.

Does he have a family, a life?? He is like a shadow of MJ but very cartoonist character at present.

Antara - Gandhari: Just like Gandhari deliberately was blind to Dhritarashtra's ill-behavior and Shakuni's machinations, Antara is the same too. Uski koi aankhen khol nahi sakta, kyunki uski aankhen khuli huyi hai. Mrs. Mrityunjay Roy bane rehne ka khumaar itna hai ki baaki kisiki life matter hi nahi karti uske saamne. Mrityunjay can womanize, he can sleep around, he can have kept in his house, it does not matter. Antara jab tak Mrs. Roy hai, woh khush hai. Pathetic is a lame excuse, she is worse than the gutter ka keeda.

Being the only Mrs. Roy matters the most... unfortunately.. another Mrs. Roy has come in, that too with aplomb, with her own image and with the full support of the junior Mr. Roy... what a scene.

Rajiv - Yuyutsu??: As mentioned above, but not sure if it is possible.

Rishi - Abhimanyu??: I can't see any other character he could have played, because we did not get to see, how he would have become, like his father or like his brother.

I'm thinking it might be one of Karna's sons, Shatrunjaya or Dvipata died in the Kurukshetra. The reason is Abhimanyu was the son of Arjun and nephew of Sri Krishna. In the case of Rishi he the son of MJ and we do not know how he turned out. Just like we do not know how Karna's sons would turn out except for the one who survived the Kurushetra - Vrishakethu

Senior Mrs. Roy - Bhishma: She is the Bhishma gals. Saw everything and heard everything, but said nothing. Let's see if she played any role in saving Manvi or not.

YEs..this lady was there and knew dharma but her hands were tied due to her relationship with MJ. Will she change or will she be like Bhishma staying with Kauvra

Well, that's all from me tonight. Please share your thoughts.

I was totally bowled over with Rudra's pride in Maya, his wife.. he was gushing while talking to Diya, Antara...

Originally posted by: NamuVyas

This fact of women being a woman's worst enemy is an old concept which never dies.. here the problem is women around MJ are their own enemy and not another woman's..

I agree with you on this Namrata.

Remember MJs mom who once said that being u is not wrong but what u have become is wrong.. his mother decided to drown herself in alcohol to keep her vision blurred than witness what is happening.. how I wish her character was retained.. but how has he become what he did.. power made him so.. the power of money and the power of blind support..

But isn't that so wrong? I mean you saw everything, you know everything and you kept yourself drowned in alcohol. I mean I would still want to believe that maybe she had a hand in saving Manvi that night.

Antara who for me an extremely insecure woman and for whom only being in the title mattered.. Rudra once told her that she is Antara first and then her other roles comes in life..her own son showed her the mirror of her life but she had and has chosen to stick to the fancy title over self respect.. and when ppl cant respect themselves then they dont even respect others.. her blindness led to empowering MJ and her karma has already brought her to the brink.. she has destroyed herself already and she is a nick away from her own end..

Antara surely doesn't respect herself. And I am sure the reason for her condition is not just Mrityunjay treating her like a doormat. She may have committed other crimes alongside him. I hope I am wrong about Mrityunjay not being Rudra's father, but let's see. This family has so much filth yet to be discovered. Let's see.

Diya who has equally fed MJs ego all her life being put in a relationship with no title but she gets what antara doesnt get even being in the title..

When women closest in ur life put up and nurture ur wrong deeds, it's always someone outside of this equation who suffers..

In MJs life it was not all, he has his main men who nurtured his ego as well..

The problem is the women around him have always either been begging for his attention or have been a partner in crime and boosting his ego. And the male counterparts are either like him or too scared to be vocal. So Maya is neither. Maya is not an Antara who vies for any title, nor Diya who thinks supporting Mrityunjay will keep Mrityunjay by her side.

Manvi was the fish today.. remember when Maya rudra spoke about fish story.. Maya mentioned that the fight of the fish is only as long as it lives.. that was what MJ thinks..once the fish is dead the fight is over.he perceives it to be a small useless fight... but Rudra showed her the positive side that day, that even being a small fish and being in the net, the fish has a big fight..it has a never give up attitude and will fight till the end..its a strength of the fish not its weakness.. and that's exactly what manvi was.. her strength is what rose her back..

Agreed.

Coming to the war.. the stands of all the ppl here is clear and set already.. whose on whose side, what are their strengths weaknesses... except Rudra whose side will change the game..

Rudra has his mind right.. his past had a reason to be played.. his father proved a point to him about his gf.. but what Rudra saw was the ugly side of his dad rather than his gf.. that's where his morality lies.. when his mom misbehaved drugged and MJ announced that to public.. he knew his mom drugged but putting down ur wife in public was not what he accepted.. his morals will choose his side.. and with all the build up so far and the wedding promises, its sure that he ends up with Maya only.. but then how does he fight for her? Become like her or will he change the course to something meaningful rather than bloody is to see..

Exactly! There are chances that he may not just choose Maya's side, but also play this game as per his rules.

And at the moment I am sure he can sense that his family isn't happy with his marriage decision or does he not ? Or is he trying hard to see the good which in little course of time will be clearer to him that his family is not accepting of his relationship.. guess once the fb is over the real war begins..

I am not sure. I don't think he has sensed any dislike, but doubts about his decision to choose Maya as a life partner.

Originally posted by: smriti81

Thought provoking analysis as usual! Women are their own biggest enemies...this could not be more true. You know during the #metoo movement they found out in a survey that women were the harshest in judging, criticising & demeaning the women coming out with their stories. It is a sad commentary on human psychology. Historically women have always been oppressed by men & have had to fight for their basic rights & needs. The most successful way to get what they want from men has been to a large extent through sexual manipulation cause that is the biggest weakness of men. So women feel threatened by any woman who comes across as liberated, confident, outgoing. It’s virtually like treating this whole game like survival of the fittest...and resenting, judging, having a holier than thou attitude (thoughts like I would never stoop to that level) towards other women...they call it twisted sisterhood. And that is one of the main reasons women have not been able to break this cycle of oppression because you never get support from your ilk. If only women could see the power of joint sisterhood and where it will take them. Two of my favourite scenes in Hindi cinema in this regard are from Mirch Masala (even there initially some of the women are ready to hand over Smita Patil’s character to the lusting Cop saying why should we all suffer for her) and Mrityudand women the women come together in true kali style to annihilate the evil male antagonist. It gives me goosebumps everyone I watch it.

Yes @smriti81, I know Mirch Masala and Mrityudand and have seen that. Those were good films.

As for BH2...the battle field is laid out, everyone’s roles are defined, Krishna & Arjun have to play their game now to restore dharma. I feel Maya will be the master manipulator, Krishna using chal, buddhi, half truths to bring the kurus down. And Rudra, the Arjun will fight with a fierceness born out of the realisation of truth. I really want them to bring back Dadi (I was also thinking she is the Bhishma pitamah of this war)...the one who realised & truly regrets his part in this but is bound to the throne (family welfare here). Bring it on 😊

Same, bas ye flashback khatam karo aur aage bado.