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Originally posted by: Jiarao

Thank you Jean.🤗

A real confrontation is the need of the hour. Let her tell him, he is not her hero anymore and he lost her respect when he doubted her. Let him tell her how he felt when the CD played and how her words broke his heart, how much he needs her and how much he loves her .Tell her , he is keeping his promise of making her mother happy despite not getting any emotional support. I will start watching again when this happens.

As for taking name, it should be their choice ofcourse . But I will be really happy if it happens. It will give him the much needed feeling of security to know the two people he loves the most are his forever. Again this should happen only if Babitha and Mini want it.

I have a few complaints regarding Mini's idea of empowerment though. It looks more like controlling Babitha's life rather than empowering her. If she wants to lose her identity, let her. I want Babitha to do what she thinks is right and not what Mini thinks is right. Babitha can make mistakes here and lose everything but she will learn.

I also feel some of Mini's insecurities stem from not being able to control Babes life like before. I felt this during CD fiasco.I feel Mini's hurt for her grandparents was also because the fact that Babitha lashed out without Mini telling her to do so. I still remember her restlessness when Babitha didn't discuss about sending Ashok away. She should learn to let Babitha go and learn her lessons hard way.

I think most of us are waiting for that final proper confrontation between Hannie. Just voice out their needs and wants once and for all.

Why do you think Minnie wants to control and monitor Babita? In the sense that she doesn't want her mother to make decisions for herself? How did she want to control Babes during the CD fiasco?

As for the restlessness regarding Ashok, did someone ask her what she wants/needs? She never had a father, now he's back in town and she had to turn away from him because of what he did to her mother.

I feel she was hurting because he was leaving her all over again. She pined for her father, maybe still does. But we won't see that outright because she doesn't really focus on her own feelings and wants.

When Babes took the decision to leave her factory job, to join the guardian job as an aya, to break partnership with Khatri, to file a case against Manmeet and her ex-employee, opening the catering business or buying that plot of land for the shop, Minnie didn't have a problem with it.

Yes, she has a controlling nature and wants to safeguard her mother by molly coddling her, but she doesn't have a problem with her mother deciding for herself.

Jeez... So much over a name change "rolls eyes"

Originally posted by: inlieu

Yeh to kamaal hi ho jayega if they show this.

As for Minnie, I remember some time back that either Mickey or Preeti had called her a control freak. Yes, she is wise in many ways but her idea of emancipatio😳n is not always broad enough. She tends to think that not being tied by bonds will give Babita that, but that's not quite true. I understand where her fear comes from but I also think that in some ways her loss of trust in HS might have made her a bit insecure about Babita's future with him.

Do you remember NB's great example about Babita needing someone to hold on to the spool with a loose enough string as she soars like a kite, rather than being a kite without a string that floats aimlessly? I don't have the exact wording but this is the meaning of emancipation. If you break free completely you will be isolated. You need to have close bonds with people you love and want to be with but at the same time those bonds should be strong enough to let you wander without breaking them.

Also, do you remember what HS was teaching Minnie about Babita's decision whether she wants someone in her life or not? The fact that she didn't need a man for financial security and was independent enough to look after her daughter and herself, and that a life partner was for emotional support? Minnie hadn't quite understood that, but when she found out that Babita was also in love with HS, she wanted to do whatever she could to make her mother happy, whether she fully understood HS' words or not.

That's what I meant in another post that I'd like Minnie to learn something for a change. Nowadays even HS is not there to explain such things as he would have in the past. Perhaps NB or even Chachi?

By the way, it's a bit late to be asking this but what's your name?

Actually I want Babitha to confront Mini about this. The way CVs are going now I dare not hope anything sensible from them.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Thank you Jean.🤗

A real confrontation is the need of the hour. Let her tell him, he is not her hero anymore and he lost her respect when he doubted her. Let him tell her how he felt when the CD played and how her words broke his heart, how much he needs her and how much he loves her .Tell her , he is keeping his promise of making her mother happy despite not getting any emotional support. I will start watching again when this happens.

As for taking name, it should be their choice ofcourse . But I will be really happy if it happens. It will give him the much needed feeling of security to know the two people he loves the most are his forever. Again this should happen only if Babitha and Mini want it.

I have a few complaints regarding Mini's idea of empowerment though. It looks more like controlling Babitha's life rather than empowering her. If she wants to lose her identity, let her. I want Babitha to do what she thinks is right and not what Mini thinks is right. Babitha can make mistakes here and lose everything but she will learn.

I also feel some of Mini's insecurities stem from not being able to control Babes life like before. I felt this during CD fiasco.I feel Mini's hurt for her grandparents was also because the fact that Babitha lashed out without Mini telling her to do so. I still remember her restlessness when Babitha didn't discuss about sending Ashok away. She should learn to let Babitha go and learn her lessons hard way.

@bold he has never told how emotionally he is dependent on mini right. But has he realised it that he needs mini as an emotional anchor too. I dont think so. He has always said she is first for him but never expressed why she is first. I think HS needs to do a lot of internal realization with this. on the other had mini has never said he comes first for her but has expressed why she loves him sees him as her hero. Mini needs to know that her hanuman uncle needs her not just her mother. She needs to be felt wanted by him, not she is cared for just as a extension of babes.

@ red yes it does stem from that somewhere, basically the letting go of babes part

@ blue i dont think that is true. mini has herself lashed out at biji for trying to emotionally manipulate babita. she even fought with her in the jewelry case but babita being the mahaan bahu forced her to say sorry to her. At that time they had the upper hand. She wanted babes to respond to them then when they were not caring about her. After the divorce and babitas growing out of it and standing on her own feet Babita has the upper hand right now. She was not in some bechari position ulta they were the ones dependent on her & mini as now they have no one in india. She was hurt for them because they felt bad with babitas outburst. And while babita cared to keep good terms with them and care for them even during & after the divorce so maybe mini saw no point in breaking relations with them suddenly out of the blue. It wasnt that babita dint have complaints with them then. The truth is that babita never asked for her rights, gave them a false impression that she was happy with whatever decision they were taking for her. How would they know if she dint speak up. Suddenly her blaming them for keeping her and ashok apart was not entirely right. If you see mini is someone who speaks up and answers back and asks for her rights and even gets angry but in the process she dosent break ties with people so she expected babita to do the same ask for her rights & show her disappointment but not break all ties with them.

Originally posted by: zehreeli.kheer

Jeez... So much over a name change "rolls eyes"

IKR?

Hum bhi kya 'logon' se kam hain bhala?

Originally posted by: inlieu

Yeh to kamaal hi ho jayega if they show this.

As for Minnie, I remember some time back that either Mickey or Preeti had called her a control freak. Yes, she is wise in many ways but her idea of emancipatio😳n is not always broad enough. She tends to think that not being tied by bonds will give Babita that, but that's not quite true. I understand where her fear comes from but I also think that in some ways her loss of trust in HS might have made her a bit insecure about Babita's future with him.

Do you remember NB's great example about Babita needing someone to hold on to the spool with a loose enough string as she soars like a kite, rather than being a kite without a string that floats aimlessly? I don't have the exact wording but this is the meaning of emancipation. If you break free completely you will be isolated. You need to have close bonds with people you love and want to be with but at the same time those bonds should be strong enough to let you wander without breaking them.

Also, do you remember what HS was teaching Minnie about Babita's decision whether she wants someone in her life or not? The fact that she didn't need a man for financial security and was independent enough to look after her daughter and herself, and that a life partner was for emotional support? Minnie hadn't quite understood that, but when she found out that Babita was also in love with HS, she wanted to do whatever she could to make her mother happy, whether she fully understood HS' words or not.

That's what I meant in another post that I'd like Minnie to learn something for a change. Nowadays even HS is not there to explain such things as he would have in the past. Perhaps NB or even Chachi?

By the way, it's a bit late to be asking this but what's your name?

@ bold this was exactly that i was talking about. Where is this before marriage babita. She was complete and dint need a man for the financial or society security. They married as equals needing emotional support from each other. I dont see herself as complete now. Now she is basing as her being complete on being HS wife, She is not bothered about financial security, she agrees with the thought that a husband sindoor is the one that enhances you as no other. Basically where is Babita. she just wants to be known as HS wife so that is where the issue is.

Originally posted by: tk2015

I think most of us are waiting for that final proper confrontation between Hannie. Just voice out their needs and wants once and for all.

Why do you think Minnie wants to control and monitor Babita? In the sense that she doesn't want her mother to make decisions for herself? How did she want to control Babes during the CD fiasco?

As for the restlessness regarding Ashok, did someone ask her what she wants/needs? She never had a father, now he's back in town and she had to turn away from him because of what he did to her mother.

I feel she was hurting because he was leaving her alone all over again. She pined for her father, maybe still does. But we won't see that outright because she doesn't really focus on her own feelings and wants.

When Babes took decision to leave her factory job, to join the guardian job as an aya, to break partnership with Khatri, to file a case against Manmeet and her ex-employee, opening the catering business or buying that plot of land for the shop, Minnie didn't have a problem with it.

Yes, she has a controlling nature and wants to safeguard her mother by molly coddling her, but she doesn't have a problem with her mother deciding for herself.

During Ashok issue, if you remember her conversation with Preet and Mickey , she was so restless about Babitha not discussing anything with her and it was not because of Ashok but her not having a say in her mother's decision. It's another matter I feel Babitha was wrong then to send Aahok away without considering Mini's feelings.

As for other decisions of Babitha you mentioned Mini didn't know she left the job or was an aaya in the first place. She felt bad both the times but didn't Express it.

All other decisions were actually need of the hour like if they didn't take up catering business, how will they survive?

She didn't want Babitha to partner with Khatri in the first place and she had created a scene about it.

She herself wanted to file a case against Manemeet. So obviously won't have any problem with it.

Yes . I understand her fears about her mother getting hurt. But she should also learn to stop molly cuddling Babitha. When you think too much about someone and try to safeguard him/her in every way possible you will actually suffocate them. She should let Babitha go. Her molly cuddling will never make Babitha empowered.

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

IKR?

Hum bhi kya 'logon' se kam hain bhala?

I never got this whole name discussion to be honest.. its an individual's choice.. jiski marzi karna hai karo, jiski marzi nahi karo.. changing a name does not make you caged and not changing it does not make you empowered.. empowerment is in mind not in names or working.. personally, I think empowerment is about your choices. as long as you have the freedom of making a choice, you are empowered, whether you are a housewife or a working lady, whether you keep your maiden name or your husband's name..

Originally posted by: Jiarao

I was saying Mini's hurt for her grandparents was also because Babitha lashed out at them without Mini asking her to do so which she hadn't done before. It only added fuel to her sense of not being important in mother's life anymore.

During Ashok issue, if you remember her conversation with Preet and Mickey , she was so restless about Babitha not discussing anything with her and it was not because of Ashok but her not having a say in her mother's decision. It's another matter I feel Babitha was wrong then to send Aahok away without considering Mini's feelings.

As for other decisions of Babitha you mentioned Mini didn't know she left the job or was an aaya in the first place. She felt bad both the times but didn't Express it.

All other decisions were actually need of the hour like if they didn't take up catering business, how will they survive?

She didn't want Babitha to partner with Khatri in the first place and she had created a scene about it.

She herself wanted to file a case against Manemeet. So obviously won't have any problem with it.

Yes . I understand her fears about her mother getting hurt. But she should also learn to stop molly cuddling Babitha. When you think too much about someone and try to safeguard him/her in every way possible you will actually suffocate them. She should let Babitha go. Her molly cuddling will never make Babitha empowered.

I guess I saw these incidents a little differently. During the CD lashing out scene, I thought Minnie was watching her mother like that for the first time. She saw her suffer, but had no idea about the amount of hurt her mother walked around with day in and day out.

Plus, that's her grandparents so she had some sympathy with them. Babita lashed out (as she should have), but Minnie felt bad for them. All this time she's urged her mother to stand up for herself and voice her opinion, not to lash out and hurt people or taunt them, but to ensure Babes isn't suffocated by their decisions.

For Ashok, she was scared her father would be released for different reasons. She did not expect (not did we, I guess) Babita to send him off. Last time when Ashok was released on bail because Babes returned the money, Minnie was apprehensive about the decision but she didn't object.

As for the aya or factory job, I thought Minnie stood with her mother. That I'm proud of you and you do what you think is right for you. She even gave an entire speech to her friends when she found out about the guardian job.

Again, these are plainly the way I viewed these scenes. No disrespect to your thoughts, of course.

I wholeheartedly agree that Minnie needs to let her mother make her own decisions. Especially when they're wrong according to Minnie. Babes has to be let go of in order to for her to truly grow.

Minis not empowering her mother.. She is actually restricting her growth by forcing her to conform to her idea of an independent woman.. I know makers will eventually make Mini right because Gopi bahus of ITV are never wrong but Mini is making all the decisions on her behalf and if Babita is not willing to confine to them, she throws a tantrum.. Thats not empowerment.. How is she any different from the "log" that she seems to be fighting against? the log expect Babita to be a certain way while Mini expects Babita to be the other way.. in the end, It should always be about what Babita wants to be, not what Mini or anyone else want her to be