Don't Forget Minne is also a Victim - Page 3

Originally posted by: -Mitu-

But Mini is Protecting Babita ... babita told in one scene before ashok betrayal too... mini used to answer another if someone say something to babita... and babita secretly liked it... so Mini is trying to protect her as much as her age allowed.... and taking her mother and leave the house for babita respect was such a huge step for a 16-17 yrs old ... than when her mamu.. turn back to them... she doesn't broke down... so she is doing everything... yes Writers messed up whole story line....

maybe I found mini Smile with tears is so real.... she is still leaving in a dream of future happy family... and she is scared that if she complaint about anything that hope will be tarnished.... someone time we hold hopes for no reason.... because there is nothing and everything is so shallow.... so we keep ignoring realityfor one and another reason....

Mini has her own way to keep relations... infact she doesn't mistrust or left hs too... but babita left hs.... Mini knows to balance relationships unlike babita.... tell me 2-3 incident... where u find babita as matured motherly figure for Mini

there is no denying that Babita suffered but this is also reality she was exploit by others because she doesn't have a backbone.... no self respect just ego... which is coming very clearly nowadays.

Underlined: she doesn't have to do it all the time. That's what the problem is. No one has problem with Minnie being mature, but they are showing babita is incapable of doing anything without Minnie, that too after showing babita with a catering business. Highly unrealistic. It's annoying because babita is being shown stupid to show that Minnie takes care of mother. It's not needed.

BOLD: I do not agree with Minnie here either. She knew what HS told babita about paraya mard. No self respecting women would take that crap. And I don't see why babita should help a man who told her to maintain distance previous night. Nothing justifies what HS said, and Minnie wanting babita to stay without bothering about character assassination was too much to ask for. At that time, frankly speaking , babita had no reason to have any relationship with HS, forget about balancing.

Bold 2: I have rented in a separate post about how insensitive it is to blame victim for what they go through and for not standing up. I'm not going repeat it. Raising voice against exploitation is not easy. There are plenty of reasons- social, financial, psychological and legal. It's shortsighted writers who chose to show that babita has some obsession with mahaan and that's why she stayed married for 17 years. Look around you, if you are living in India, you'll easily see multiple examples of women tolerating exploitative relationship. Go tell them they have no backbone. Sorry for harsh words, but please don't oversimplify this social menace as women not having backbones.

What I hate is there have been times when babita's decision were shown as wrong when they were legit but Minnie thinks babita is wrong hence we are supposed to think babita is wrong (like paraya mard crap and this babita is equally at blame crap). THAT is what I personally don't like.

Originally posted by: Sakurablossom

In my opinion it was other way around. Initially I liked Minnie a lot. It was easy to relate with her especially during depression phase. And how she joined online chat rooms- those things do happen in real life. And that therapist also suggested that her sudden bursts of happiness and optimism are actually abnormal. She is still doing that, but writers completely forget about that mental health issue and they're now showing it as her innate goodness. Remember how she was pissed off about HS' feelings for babita and how she confronted him, or when he said that he wouldn't love anyone but imarti? She also confronted babita when she wanted to leave haveli after court summons. I do not see that anymore.

They can focus on Minnie but don't expect us to believe that she started emotionally mothering babita from age of 4-5 years and that she goes to college and handles catering business and arranges weddings successfully. And the most annoying part is she cries inside all the time but has big smile on the face at the same time (which reminds me of her depression but writers show it as sacrifice). I would rather have her shouting and fighting that this pitiful state of mind.

The only serious complaint I have about Minnie is her opinion that babita is equally at blame and that her grandparents and lovely aren't that bad- they're not bad to Minnie but they awfully exploited babita. And her guilt trapping was seriously so wrong at so many levels. That was legit gaslighting and victim blaming.

The drastic change in the behavior of these characters is abrupt and unrealistic and somehow everything ends with Minnie in tears and rest of the people don't care at all (rather their opinions or concerns are not being shown). Honestly the writers have gone insane and screwed up so bad that people are now hating either Minnie or babita. And writing is clearly skewed in favor of Minnie but I am having hard time believing that babita and HS could be so stupid.

Bold: I don’t think you’d find anyone who’d disagree with you here 😅

I’m the opposite of you, I initially felt more for babita than mini (babita seemed less mentally together).

For some reason, it appears like the writers have taken certain characters and totally did a 360 on them. I first felt this way about meeta, when she was first introduced she was strong, well aware of her rights, ashoks business partner in London- the complete opposite of babita and by the time she left she was portrayed as weak, dependant on ashok, rebellious and some sort of runaway. Then they did it to ashok where he literally became a different man when he returned to India. Now they’re doing it to the main 3. I agree that they’re starting to make mini look like superwomen (mainly arranging the wedding + single handedly managing the business + somehow still being in college), all the while babitas character is shrinking more and more into nothingness.

To me it seems like when the writers want to convey a message, they do it in an extreme way. I reckon all they’re doing right now is trying to show the effect a second marriage has on the kids, but they’re just not doing it very well. The problem is the the writers keep changing things so often to suit what they’re currently trying to say. Now they’re making it seem like mini mothered babita but not long ago when babita was sending ashok off to London she told him she’s responsible for the way mini turned out cos she single handedly brought HER up. So which is it really 😕

The same inconsistencies showed when suddenly babita had an ego problem, even tho that didn’t fit with the “servant” babita we were introduced to.

One can’t help but think it’s such a shame that the writers have lost the plot because the characters and story had so much of potential

Originally posted by: -Mitu-

But Mini is Protecting Babita ... babita told in one scene before ashok betrayal too... mini used to answer another if someone say something to babita... and babita secretly liked it... so Mini is trying to protect her as much as her age allowed.... and taking her mother and leave the house for babita respect was such a huge step for a 16-17 yrs old ... than when her mamu.. turn back to them... she doesn't broke down... so she is doing everything... yes Writers messed up whole story line....

maybe I found mini Smile with tears is so real.... she is still leaving in a dream of future happy family... and she is scared that if she complaint about anything that hope will be tarnished.... someone time we hold hopes for no reason.... because there is nothing and everything is so shallow.... so we keep ignoring realityfor one and another reason....

Mini has her own way to keep relations... infact she doesn't mistrust or left hs too... but babita left hs.... Mini knows to balance relationships unlike babita.... tell me 2-3 incident... where u find babita as matured motherly figure for Mini

there is no denying that Babita suffered but this is also reality she was exploit by others because she doesn't have a backbone.... no self respect just ego... which is coming very clearly nowadays.

Is it possible that babita and thousands of women like her stay in marriage for the same reason?

Why is not Minnie raising her voice against HS and babita if they're failing as parents and choosing silent tears instead? Isnt she doing the same thing babita did- suffering in silence with smile on face.

She is not speaking up because they're loved ones. It's hard to stand against loved ones. There always a silver lining that things will get better and people spend years and decades on that tiny hope. It's not because they are foolish or mahaan or they've no backbone.

Writers have flip-flopped all characters to create drama.

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Originally posted by: deefy89

As for babita stopping mini see her grandparents, that ofc is wrong, but it’s not uncommon for single mums to suddenly stop their kids seeing their fathers/fathers family so I guess they’re portraying this in a real way.

Babita was wrong. No doubt about that. While her demand was real coz it happens, her demand was unreasonable too.

At the same time, Mini’s outburst was wrong too.

The thing is — all Mini needed to say that Babes you don’t want to keep relations with Dadu - Biji, then don’t. But you can’t stop me. They are my grandparents and They will be part of my life. I will manage them separately!

Instead she ended up guilt tripping Babita. That it was your fault too and that Lovely Bua says stuff but isn’t dil ki buri and that in-laws to aise hi hote hai n all that jazz. That whitewashing was totally wrong on her part. (On writer’s part)

As can be seen that Biji still doubts Babita whereas she has exempted her Son Ashok of any duty towards Mini. And yet she feels sad that if Ashok comes to India, he doesn’t have a home to stay in. I mean the level of hypocrisy is astounding.

So yeah Mini blaming Babita for those 17 years was not right at all. On one side Mini says she learned to speak up at the tender age to wipe her mother’s tears. Imagine the taunts and torture Babita had to go thru that her 4-5 years old child has to step up. And yet you go ahead and blame your Mom for the torture she endured. I mean how?

Originally posted by: -Mitu-

Tell me 2-3 incident... where u find babita as matured motherly figure for Mini

oh there are plenty.

— Babita taking up Job after jobs to provide for both of them.
Sticking to factory Job where there was no toilet for females, driving factor was financial responsibility of Mini and her both.

— taking up Care taker’s job for the same reason.

— staying awake whole night to Sew Mini a New dress as she was feeling down coz of not having fashionable clothes and they didn’t have enough money.

— Standing strong with Mini during Manmeet case.

— Being Mini’s pillar of strength during her stress and anxiety issues.

— Explaining Mini what Love is and that don’t lose hope on Love coz your parents relation didn’t work out.
there is this thing that Babita told Mini during this conversation, Even though Ashok cheated and betrayed me, there’s one thing I will forever be thankful to him. For giving me darling doll daughter like You Mini.

Not accounting the stuff Mother Babita would have done for Mini the baby. I am sure she must have changed n number nappies for Mini when she was a child. Stayed awake whole night when Mini was sick. There’s scene where Babita prepares Mini for a first day of school. Recently Biji said that for every Mini’s Birthday - Babita planned different ways to surprise her. So there too.

Others can add if I am missing something.

P.s — every few days we have to list these things.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

oh there are plenty.

— Babita taking up Job after jobs to provide for both of them.
Sticking to factory Job where there was no toilet for females, driving factor was financial responsibility of Mini and her both.

— taking up Care taker’s job for the same reason.

— staying awake whole night to Sew Mini a New dress as she was feeling down coz of not having fashionable clothes and they didn’t have enough money.

— Standing strong with Mini during Manmeet case.

— Being Mini’s pillar of strength during her stress and anxiety issues.

— Explaining Mini what Love is and that don’t lose hope on Love coz your parents relation didn’t work out.
there is this thing that Babita told Mini during this conversation, Even though Ashok cheated and betrayed me, there’s one thing I will forever be thankful to him. For giving me darling doll daughter like You Mini.

Not accounting the stuff Mother Babita would have done for Mini the baby. I am sure she must have changed n number nappies for Mini when she was a child. Stayed awake whole night when Mini was sick. There’s scene where Babita prepares Mini for a first day of school. Recently Biji said that for every Mini’s Birthday - Babita planned different ways to surprise her. So there too.

Others can add if I am missing something.

P.s — every few days we have to list these things.

I know! Writers have messed up so well that liking babita means not liking Minnie. Until episode 200, we loved all 3. After 200, I see big cracks not only in their relationship but also in our liking of the characters as well. I used to "love" characters and looked forward to their take on various issues, now when they open mouth I just hope they don't screw up the already screwed up relationship.

Originally posted by: Sakurablossom

I know! Writers have messed up so well that liking babita means not liking Minnie. Until episode 200, we loved all 3. After 200, I see big cracks not only in their relationship but also in our liking of the characters as well. I used to "love" characters and looked forward to their take on various issues, now when they open mouth I just hope they don't screw up the already screwed up relationship.

I still like all 3. I can’t get on the extreme hate some have for one or the other.

Ahh well. To each their own I guess.

How can anyone forget? CVs leave no chance to stress on this victimhood

Originally posted by: Sakurablossom

I know! Writers have messed up so well that liking babita means not liking Minnie. Until episode 200, we loved all 3. After 200, I see big cracks not only in their relationship but also in our liking of the characters as well. I used to "love" characters and looked forward to their take on various issues, now when they open mouth I just hope they don't screw up the already screwed up relationship.

I agree. Writers have pit the characters against each another. To the point where most of us can only empathise only one way or the other.

Earlier, even if we thought they were wrong, we understood where those emotions were coming from.

Most of their "grey" traits have been pushed to show almost black reactions to an issue.

Eg: HS for the CD issue. He was hurt, understandable. But the way he reacted, lashed out and doubted was so unlike HS. Even afterwards, his withdrawal from Minnie seems like it's been brought on forcefully.

Babita for the way she handled the apology with HS (paraya mard). She was completely right in wanting an apology, a clarification about her character assassination from a man she was about to marry. The way it was shown and made to be about her ego, however, was pathetic.

Minnie, on the other hand, took Kammo's words at face value regarding HS. The Minnie we were introduced to would've given one good verbal slap to Kammo. She also faltered by saying K's were not to blame when they were. Minnie? Who's ALWAYS stood up for her own mother?