The unconvincing & unpalatable victimhood - Page 2

Originally posted by: NamrataRa

I don't think Mishbir united Kuku .It is their guilt conscious.Abir pushed Misti towards Kunal knowing they are not compatible & Misti's guilt he rejected Abir's brother.After misti-kunal breakup more than kuhu,Abir was interested in the alliance so that RH & MH maintain good relations & his love story sails smoothly.

If course Kuhu & Kunal are selfish but that doesn't make Misti & Abir saint.

Exactly mishti just wanted to be in good books of kuhu and wanted herself to feel important when abir even given. Up she was one to encourage him

And abir even main reasoning was this only he thought kunal would get preoccupied with kuhu and will stop his hate and both family will come in term

So yeah indirectly they r responsible

But I feel kuku r where today is 100% their own doing

Originally posted by: iamthat2019

How does it feel when your own family disowns you and you try to make your foster family your anchor ?....Where certain members of that foster family leave no stone unturned to tell you that you are unwanted. It would have taken some nerve of steel for a 10 year old to tolerate a cruel joke life has played on her.Notwithstanding all the unsecurities in her life ,Mishti desperately tries to correct whatever in her means,around her to somewhere gain acceptance maybe at a subconscious level. So no matter how much we keep saying that she should not get involved in kuku's matter,but I guess she wants to see peace around as she has been told time and again that she's responsible for a lot of mishappenings around her. And by using her own judgements just wants things to get better. .Is it not a right way to think that she sees people before herself.At least her intentions are noble ,quite unlike others who are manipulating things to suit their convenience. I'm m sorry but I don't see Mishti playing the victim card ever.

Now if you put yourself in Abir's shoes ,just imagine a scenario where you are clueless about your fathers existence,your mother is a dominating control freak,your grandfather is in some other trip in life where he neither refuses to age gracefully nor gets some intelligence in his demeanour and his uncle who has no guts. How does a boy grow up without a father figure to guide him.?...Putting all these aside Abir still managed to hold his ground and tried his level best to see that things around him are sorted to the best of his capabilities. he's someone who never let these shortcomings get in way of his overall persona,so I don't see where in life he played a victim card either.Yes he definitely very vehemently asserts his view points but so do the rest of them.Abir leaving the house is his defence mechanism to avoid unpleasant situations.with all that we have seen of the Rv household any sane person would want avoidance rule if he needs to maintain his identity.look at the fate of others who chose to stay back.

Also it's not Mishti's fault that she brought Abir's dad home.How on earth is she supposed to know what crime that guy has done when Abir himself is not aware of his dads past.And why should Abir not want his dad to stay with him in his house.Meenu has never maintained clarity regarding Mehul to Abir so isn't Abir entitled to his own views about his father, a man who in his thought process is only right and virtuous.Abir is definitely not at fault here regarding his dad. Now it's up to him to decide whether he wishes to continue any relationship with him going further or not. Even in custody cases the court lets the child decide if the child is above a certain age and Abir is almost 30 years.

My only problem with both Mishti and Abir right now is that they are handling kunal and kuhu with kid gloves.Thats something they need to stop doing now as that's what is affecting everyone around them.With so much importance being given to kuku,the entire matrix of the household has gone into a tizzy. If that root problem is sorted everything will fall in line.Kunal will stop ranting Mishti Mishti,kuhu will look at doing something constructive,Meenu will look at growing her already threatened business,Nanu will stop behaving like a jerk,koslu will behave like the real heir to the rajvash empire and nidhi and Parul will start Diwali housecleaning.in short perfect just perfect

Originally posted by: beguiling

Honestly Kuhu is far from manipulating Abir. Manipulation is how Meenakshi and Kunal led on Kuhu to believe that they want this marriage to happen. Or like Mehul is leading on Abir to believe certain things for his ulterior motives. I have never even seen Kuhu strongly advocating in favour of MIshBir's relationship. She refrained from commenting on it as she knows the truth that she wanted that rishta to not happen.

If we look at the precap none of the concerned parties involved seemed like they agreed upon the rishta happening at this moment (except for Mehul who is simply trying to fulfill his own agenda)

I don't think Kuhu was not aware that whatever she set out to do was not full proof and ultimately BP & BM would not have gone on to reject someone like Abir for Mishti. I haven't seen her being persistently at it either. There could have been n number of ways to emotionally blackmail BP & BM and get that rishta rejected at any cost. But Varsha and Kuhu didn't choose to take that route.

Reading about the upcoming scenes on the show, I couldn't help but think that the narrative constantly wants to pose Abir and Mishti as victims while never really taking into account how some of their decisions are impacting others lives.

Mishti's actual concern in today's episode should have been that how bringing Mehul to Rajvansh house has turned things upside down for that fam.

Abir should have been thinking of whether or not Mehul can be kept away from house considering his presence in the house is causing so much of tension. It's fair enough he wants to stay with his Dad having met him after long but if only he chose to meet him up outside the house probably that would have made life a lil easier for Meenakshi or Kunal or Kaushal.

Abir and Mishti have also made zero efforts to find out if there was any truth to the allegations that were made against Mehul.

If the articles and spoilers are anything to by Mishti will slap Kunal and again the narrative will become all about how Mishti was right in doing so and how wrong Kunal was to deserve something like this. In all this drama lil sensitivity would be attributed to the fact that despite of his constant efforts to be there for his brother Kunal was constantly ignored by Abir.

I only see Abir wanting to have a discussion with Kunal either to convince him of not disagreeing for the relationship with Mishti or to try n get him to be on cordial terms with Mehul. Both of the things which are unacceptable to Kunal and Abir never spares time to understand the depth of why Kunal is against these two relationships. Sometimes all that a person needs is time and proper communication for him or her to get a understanding of certain things.

Very convenient on Mishti's part to feel self- righteous by slapping Kunal but what she doesn't realize is that in her naivety to bring back Abir's Baba for him, she ended up bringing back Kunal's father too and she had no cognizance of whether or not Kunal was ready to accept this another blow in his life.

Now Kunal not only has to tolerate Mehul in the house but also has to see his mother constantly distressed because of it. He is also seeing his brother going farther and farther away from him because of everything going on in his life. But lest if we see the narrative trying to explore the depth of Kunal's conflicts and vulnerabilities.

I honestly thought it showed such double standards when Abir was made to say that his family members think he is so strong that nothing can really hurt him. Errm how exactly does this even apply to Abir, when he keeps leaving the house whenever he feels hurt and either Kunal or Meenu keep trying to stop him from leaving. His family certainly wouldn't perceive him as someone who cannot get hurt because they have seen how he does get hurt and tends to leave the house because of it. Infact, it is only for Abir that they are all tolerating Mehul in the house.

I find it extremely hypocritical then that the narrative tries to pose Abir and Mishti as victims time and again while never really taking into account the insensitivity they unleash at other characters by taking misinformed decisions.

With all due respect , I would like to share my opinion

1. Kuhu can't manipulate Abir, yes not because she isn't that kind of person to manipulate someone but because it needs a strong brain to manipulate Abir, which I doubt kuhu has because her husband made it clear that he doesn't love her , he used her to play his revenge revenge game, still she chose to stay there !! Instead of making his husband realise his mistake and telling him to learn to put his ego in his pocket she decides to scream at Mishti ? Why ? You may say she is thinking about herself what is wrong in that... nothing ... being selfish is nice ...I agree...but there is a thin line between selfishness and wisdom, thinking about own self is nice and that should be one's first priority as well but at the cost of hurting others ? Is that morally and ethically right ?

2. Regarding Kunal's love for Abir...where was Kunal when Abir was stuck in the cyclone , playing mish call karegi nahi karegi? Why ? Is that a sign of true love ? His own brother for whom Kunal says he will give up his wealth ... can't even give up on ego and save him, in his own ego Kunal dosent even understand that if his brother is alive today it's because of Mishti...if she would have not reached on time, Abir would have been in that car that blasted

3. I very well understand Kunal's viewpoint on Mehul...for him benba has been his mother and father ..so he will not accept Mehul with open arms , he dosent even have those fade memories that Mehul has..so definitely he is right in his place and I completely understand him in Mehul's case but him again blaming Mishti for it and starting revenge drama why? 2 wrongs don't make a right anyway , instead of that I would have appreciated if he would have used his investigation skills on Mehul and tried to find something about him and the fraud, that would have been more productive because the fraud is anyways related to the business which Kunal currently handles

4. Having said that I do agree on one thing and thats a fact too that both Mishti and Abir have hidden certain important facts from each other like the email thing Mishti knows but she hasn't shared it with Abir and abir hasn't shared the Kunal running away from his marriage thing with Mishti , I don't know the reasons also why mishbir aren't focusing on baba and fraud thing is akso not going down well with me , but baba is a new entry in their life and I guess they will take this issue soon

Ok I am sorry if I sounded rude here , that was not my intention

I would like to add that I have observed your opinions being different from majority of the forum members but you still come here and post your views, trust me it takes a lot of guts to do so and I really appreciate you for that , but one thing I don't appreciate is that you are somewhere trying to justify kuku by blaming mishbir, fine if you want to justify kuku great, try justifying kuku using kuku actions and reactions and not mishbir actions and reactions . because 2 wrongs can't make.a right ..

Lastly, I really am looking forward to your reply here, trust me I really like to discuss with such members who don't attack personally and have a different perspective , that at the end increases my bandwidth and thinking about the characters and story to discuss which I am here on this forum

Thank you for reading and commenting guys. I have pretty much nothing more to add to what I have already mentioned in the post. Sometimes it becomes imperative that we share a different pov than the one which dominates the narrative.

For so long as we 'see' a different perspective and do not end up denouncing it just because it happens to be different, there remains hope that we aren't getting carried away in our respective bias for our favourite characters.

I think I just ended up speaking in an annoyingly philosophical manner like Abir's Baba 😆

Anyhoo, wishing you all a very Happy Dusshera !! 😃May the light of humanity forever shine bright in our hearts.

Originally posted by: amithu

👏👏 Well said EtTuBrutus! I don't see kuhu or Kunal being happy in their relationship with or without mishbir wedding. Like Abir rightly said, the future of a relationship lies in the hands of the people who are in it and is not driven by the actions of the people around them and both kuhu and Kunal seem to just use mishbir as a reason for their failed relationship than trying to mend it. Someday kunal might even start blaming mishti for global warming!

Originally posted by: iamthat2019

How does it feel when your own family disowns you and you try to make your foster family your anchor ?....Where certain members of that foster family leave no stone unturned to tell you that you are unwanted. It would have taken some nerve of steel for a 10 year old to tolerate a cruel joke life has played on her.Notwithstanding all the unsecurities in her life ,Mishti desperately tries to correct whatever in her means,around her to somewhere gain acceptance maybe at a subconscious level. So no matter how much we keep saying that she should not get involved in kuku's matter,but I guess she wants to see peace around as she has been told time and again that she's responsible for a lot of mishappenings around her. And by using her own judgements just wants things to get better. .Is it not a right way to think that she sees people before herself.At least her intentions are noble ,quite unlike others who are manipulating things to suit their convenience. I'm m sorry but I don't see Mishti playing the victim card ever.

Now if you put yourself in Abir's shoes ,just imagine a scenario where you are clueless about your fathers existence,your mother is a dominating control freak,your grandfather is in some other trip in life where he neither refuses to age gracefully nor gets some intelligence in his demeanour and his uncle who has no guts. How does a boy grow up without a father figure to guide him.?...Putting all these aside Abir still managed to hold his ground and tried his level best to see that things around him are sorted to the best of his capabilities. he's someone who never let these shortcomings get in way of his overall persona,so I don't see where in life he played a victim card either.Yes he definitely very vehemently asserts his view points but so do the rest of them.Abir leaving the house is his defence mechanism to avoid unpleasant situations.with all that we have seen of the Rv household any sane person would want avoidance rule if he needs to maintain his identity.look at the fate of others who chose to stay back.

Also it's not Mishti's fault that she brought Abir's dad home.How on earth is she supposed to know what crime that guy has done when Abir himself is not aware of his dads past.And why should Abir not want his dad to stay with him in his house.Meenu has never maintained clarity regarding Mehul to Abir so isn't Abir entitled to his own views about his father, a man who in his thought process is only right and virtuous.Abir is definitely not at fault here regarding his dad. Now it's up to him to decide whether he wishes to continue any relationship with him going further or not. Even in custody cases the court lets the child decide if the child is above a certain age and Abir is almost 30 years.

My only problem with both Mishti and Abir right now is that they are handling kunal and kuhu with kid gloves.Thats something they need to stop doing now as that's what is affecting everyone around them.With so much importance being given to kuku,the entire matrix of the household has gone into a tizzy. If that root problem is sorted everything will fall in line.Kunal will stop ranting Mishti Mishti,kuhu will look at doing something constructive,Meenu will look at growing her already threatened business,Nanu will stop behaving like a jerk,koslu will behave like the real heir to the rajvash empire and nidhi and Parul will start Diwali housecleaning.in short perfect just perfect

Originally posted by: Onyourface

With all due respect , I would like to share my opinion

1. Kuhu can't manipulate Abir, yes not because she isn't that kind of person to manipulate someone but because it needs a strong brain to manipulate Abir, which I doubt kuhu has because her husband made it clear that he doesn't love her , he used her to play his revenge revenge game, still she chose to stay there !! Instead of making his husband realise his mistake and telling him to learn to put his ego in his pocket she decides to scream at Mishti ? Why ? You may say she is thinking about herself what is wrong in that... nothing ... being selfish is nice ...I agree...but there is a thin line between selfishness and wisdom, thinking about own self is nice and that should be one's first priority as well but at the cost of hurting others ? Is that morally and ethically right ?

2. Regarding Kunal's love for Abir...where was Kunal when Abir was stuck in the cyclone , playing mish call karegi nahi karegi? Why ? Is that a sign of true love ? His own brother for whom Kunal says he will give up his wealth ... can't even give up on ego and save him, in his own ego Kunal dosent even understand that if his brother is alive today it's because of Mishti...if she would have not reached on time, Abir would have been in that car that blasted

3. I very well understand Kunal's viewpoint on Mehul...for him benba has been his mother and father ..so he will not accept Mehul with open arms , he dosent even have those fade memories that Mehul has..so definitely he is right in his place and I completely understand him in Mehul's case but him again blaming Mishti for it and starting revenge drama why? 2 wrongs don't make a right anyway , instead of that I would have appreciated if he would have used his investigation skills on Mehul and tried to find something about him and the fraud, that would have been more productive because the fraud is anyways related to the business which Kunal currently handles

4. Having said that I do agree on one thing and thats a fact too that both Mishti and Abir have hidden certain important facts from each other like the email thing Mishti knows but she hasn't shared it with Abir and abir hasn't shared the Kunal running away from his marriage thing with Mishti , I don't know the reasons also why mishbir aren't focusing on baba and fraud thing is akso not going down well with me , but baba is a new entry in their life and I guess they will take this issue soon

Ok I am sorry if I sounded rude here , that was not my intention

I would like to add that I have observed your opinions being different from majority of the forum members but you still come here and post your views, trust me it takes a lot of guts to do so and I really appreciate you for that , but one thing I don't appreciate is that you are somewhere trying to justify kuku by blaming mishbir, fine if you want to justify kuku great, try justifying kuku using kuku actions and reactions and not mishbir actions and reactions . because 2 wrongs can't make.a right ..

Lastly, I really am looking forward to your reply here, trust me I really like to discuss with such members who don't attack personally and have a different perspective , that at the end increases my bandwidth and thinking about the characters and story to discuss which I am here on this forum

Originally posted by: Dotslover22

First and foremost congratulations🥳🤗. Meri Uru di aur Abir ki Uru sizzler bann gayi. Once again I agree to all your points. Show mein sabme faults hai but Kuku mein excessive hai

Wooohoooo thank you dots 🥳🤗😳❤️

Exactly, everyone have had their own share of mistakes but the difference lies in the intention, mishbir had a positive purpose to unite while kuku had a negative purpose to break

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Wooohoooo thank you dots 🥳🤗😳❤️

Exactly, everyone have had their own share of mistakes but the difference lies in the intention, mishbir had a positive purpose to unite while kuku had a negative purpose to break

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Wooohoooo thank you dots 🥳🤗😳❤️

Exactly, everyone have had their own share of mistakes but the difference lies in the intention, mishbir had a positive purpose to unite while kuku had a negative purpose to break

Wow Uru you became sizzler, congratulations 🤗