Hindi is a little child in diapers says kamal haasan. - Page 31

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

But you are still here , arent you ? .. 😆 .. So, why dont you just admit it ? .. There's nowhere else you would rather be .. Not sure about Mr.Know-it-All , but i do know for a fact that you are drawn to this thread like a moth to a flame .. And even if you do not post here , i will know for a fact that you are religiously stalking this thread .. Nothing wrong it , its just that when you "pretend" to be anything otherwise , you just end up embarrassing yourself .. 😆.. Be upfront and save yourself the embarrassment .. 🤗

Mr. Know-it-all and yet know nothing. Whenever there is a fight, and some third party, who you usually respect(here Billi Bangalan) asks to stop it.... i was taught to stop fighting and that was me out of respect leaving to continue to the fight here.

Now you go on thinking whatever insinuations you want to make about me. Yet i am very clear of why i forfeited from here.

So i am not embarrassed at all.

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Mr. Know-it-all and yet know nothing. Whenever there is a fight, and some third party, who you usually respect(here Billi Bangalan) asks to stop it.... i was taught to stop fighting and that was me out of respect leaving to continue to the fight here.

Now you go on thinking whatever insinuations you want to make about me. Yet i am very clear of why i forfeited from here.

So i am not embarrassed at all.

OK. 😆

But dont feel like you cant visit here.

You are always welcome to join in. 🤗

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

So you agree tools are required. It's not just desire but also finding means. I am not saying a person going to particular place has to learn the language of the place, but he/she needs a form of tool to communicate. So it isn't just the desire, but also tool and the ways of deciphering. For example you talked about child crying, but that tool also requires time to decipher. parents don't recognize which cry means what on first go, it takes days, weeks and even months in many cases.

I don't get why you and some others are fixated on the language, when my point wasn't ever language, but desire isn't enough and tools are important.

Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta may not have known the language, but when they reached those places, they took a considerable amount of time to get the communication in a reasonable and adequate manner to form the basis of their writings.

I am saying, "one has to", if he/she is staying longer in that place.

Marwaris/Malayalis learnt local languages whever they went. They needed to interact with local customers in their shop/restaurant. Call it desire/survival whatever.

They did not expect the local population to learn their language or a common language to interact with them. They made efforts to integrate into the communities. Not the other way (as it happens in Mumbai/Bangalore, where migrated population expects natives to make efforts).

Originally posted by: FreeTheNipple

Again, my ancestors might be nomadic hunters doesn't mean I have to ignore all the efficient systems available to survive and progress. Some of our ancestors might have lived a healthy life without medical science does not mean we have to do that or that it is efficient. Some people managed to travel overseas without proper navigation systems or can still do that, doesn't mean we should ignore those. Not sure who all even try to write this kind of logic.

Question is, whether an extra language is a tool that is needed to be learnt for our survival and progress. For some who travel or settle outside their region, it is needed. For someone who work with technologies, it is needed. They are probably 20% of the population. For their sake, why the rest (80%) need to learn an extra language called common language?

If a French wants to work in Spain and settle there, he would learn Spanish in couple of years. What if we ask entire Spanish and French population to learn a common language for these 20% population?

Should their common language be English (International language/second most spoken), Germany (most spoken European language) or Latin (as it is the mother of all European languages)? Do you think, people of Spain or France will agree to learn any of the three "compulsorily"?

Then why are people here emphasising on imposing English/Hindi/Sanskrit ( Some RSS people fancy this) as a common language in India?

Let us stop comparing ourselves with tinier countries with like Belgium/Israel. That model does not work in India.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Question is, whether an extra language is a tool that is needed to be learnt for our survival and progress. For some who travel or settle outside their region, it is needed. For someone who work with technologies, it is needed. They are probably 20% of the population. For their sake, why the rest (80%) need to learn an extra language called common language?

If a French wants to work in Spain and settle there, he would learn Spanish in couple of years. What if we ask entire Spanish and French population to learn a common language for these 20% population?

Should their common language be English (International language/second most spoken), Germany (most spoken European language) or Latin (as it is the mother of all European languages)? Do you think, people of Spain or France will agree to learn any of the three "compulsorily"?

Then why are people here emphasising on imposing English/Hindi/Sanskrit ( Some RSS people fancy this) as a common language in India?

Let us stop comparing ourselves with tinier countries with like Belgium/Israel. That model does not work in India.

I think that’s a function of demand and supply. As a native of Mumbai, I can assure you Gujarati is as widely spoken and understood as Marathi. If economic migrants dominate the locals it’s a function of demand and supply and who sits where in the social and economic food chain.

What is wrong with Kamal Hasan?

Can he just go back to being an actor or just retire and go out of sight? Must he annoy the hell out of people like this?😵

On topic: Agreed that Hindi is a problem for South Indians who shift to other states, but they have been functioning fine by learning the 'need-to-know/survive' words wherever they go.

Same with North Indians who move to Chennai/Bengaluru/Hyderabad. They too make efforts to adjust to the local language. Why force a language?

I am a Malayalee who was born and brought up entirely in North India, so I know/learnt Hindi coz it was a part of my curriculum here. But that doesn't mean Hindi needs to be imposed on people living in other states. They are happy speaking their native tongue (Malayalam, Tamil, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi) in their states, let them. Why must these people dictate which language should be spoken?

Politicians need to get a life. Just live and let live. These people will neither live peacefully, nor let others live. They have to create a ruckus.

Originally posted by: Anony-mouse

I think that’s a function of demand and supply. As a native of Mumbai, I can assure you Gujarati is as widely spoken and understood as Marathi. If economic migrants dominate the locals it’s a function of demand and supply and who sits where in the social and economic food chain.

It is an assumption in migrant's mind that they are in demand by locals and natives are being favoured by migrants.

There is job shortage everywhere and natives are more than happy to fill it. Even if migrants fill in those posts where there is shortage of labour, this "let others adjust" attitude will not go well with natives.

There is a fear in south states that Hindi may dominate over local languages. It has happened. Earlier we used to have state banks. Bank people were localities, who spoke in local languages. Then they got centralised. They started getting transferred to different states. Bank pay slips were started to get printed in English/Hindi instead of English/native language. This caused problems to the locals (villagers), who did not know Hindi/English. Why do they have to adapt because government has some fancy unification idea? For them, there is no desire or need to learn. Just compulsion.

Well the topic is getting changed from common language to migration in states. So I will stop here.

Originally posted by: Anony-mouse

I think that’s a function of demand and supply. As a native of Mumbai, I can assure you Gujarati is as widely spoken and understood as Marathi. If economic migrants dominate the locals it’s a function of demand and supply and who sits where in the social and economic food chain.

Preposterous !

This is not some marketable goods we are talking about ..

This is about language , culture and ethics ..

Demand and supply logic might hold some credibility in the ancient barbaric societies where people were literally conquered ..

In a modern society , the only thing that can explain locals being forced to speak non-local language is the sense of entitlement , sense of barbaric conquer ( which can no longer be entertained in a modern society ) fueled by the language imposition propaganda ..

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

There you have it... Your problem in a nutshell.

You would have understood the posts so much better had you read it in the context of this thread ..

context doesn't matter to me in this case. My argument with RTH was regarding desire and tools, other things getting added are just deviations.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

I am saying, "one has to", if he/she is staying longer in that place.

Marwaris/Malayalis learnt local languages whever they went. They needed to interact with local customers in their shop/restaurant. Call it desire/survival whatever.

They did not expect the local population to learn their language or a common language to interact with them. They made efforts to integrate into the communities. Not the other way (as it happens in Mumbai/Bangalore, where migrated population expects natives to make efforts).

What you said is absolutely correct. Although I was not talking about long term anyways.

But I was quoting RTH as she talked about people with zero knowledge of the languages going places, and my reply was "I am not saying a person going to particular place has to learn the language of the place, but he/she needs a form of tool to communicate".

I don't get it, when we both are in same page that desire isn't enough but a common tool(language here is equally important), why are you replying me so aggressively as if I am writing in every post, "All these native inferiors need to learn the language of superior migrants".